PG: We battled

[Prokorov]

Johnson and Jack both need to come off of the bench. They are killing this team

so are basically every G/Wing who come in the game

Larkin/Bojan/RHJ/Young/Lopez have to be the main 5. The perimeter trio at least gives you speed, athleticism, and aggressiveness. they all will commit to defending (even if they aren't good at it). RHJ/Young/Bojan all will run. the Nets are nearly last in pace (and every other category). The Nets can't shoot for **** either way so I don't care about spacing at this point. Pick and roll sets with Larkin.

and larkin and bogs are both really poor defenders. it might not be worse but is it any better?

i just cant get on hollins for his lineups when 90% of his team is backups or 3rd stringers.

The Nets are +5 with RHJ on the floor, and a whopping -25.5 when he is OFF. I didn't have to look this up to know that beforehand, the eye test showed clearly that this team is at its best with him out there.

small sample to start using +/-

Billy King needs to get off of his ass and put Hollins in check fast before this gets out of hand. Johnson's minutes need to be cut not for the sake of his 34 year old legs but for the sake of the team. Play the young guys for god's sake

im all for starting RHJ over joe. but i dont think it will have nearly the effect you think it will. id still do it, cause i want as many high effort defenders on the floor as i can get. give me markel and RHJ. but im under no illusions that it will change much, it could even get worse. take joe off the floor and you are left with just 1 get who commands a double team (brook) and he struggles to move the ball out of it, and spends alot of time on the outside perimeter on offense.

[Paradise]

So, Billy just hired Randy Ayers who will serve as a college scout.


Oh, the Irony.

[CalamityX12]

So, Billy just hired Randy Ayers who will serve as a college scout.


Oh, the Irony.

Was he with Philly during those days?

[MrDollarBills]

Hollins is killing me. Horrible rotations and he benched RHJ vs a team that had young athletic players.

This loss is all his.

Hollins rotations are always going to be terrible. you know why? because he has a team full of bad, flawed players. there is no right rotation. look at the other threads. ive seen about 10 or 12 different posters call for 10 or 12 different lineups.

you have some fans saying jack has to play, some say jack sucks. some say sloan needs to play. some say sloan sucks. same with larkin. he needs to play or he sucks.

you have people trashing bogie and some saying he needs to be out there and be aggressive. some say RHJ needs to start. some say markley should start. early on some said ellington should start and liked that he was in. now ellington is garbage who cant hit a shot.

i mean, we have a team of cast offs, backups, and late/2nd round pickers surrounding lopez and thad, a pretty underwhelming "big 2 core"

should RHJ have played more? maybe... if its true he snapped back at hollins then im ok with him sitting. even if he played more, would it have mattered? maybe. hard to say. should we have brought brook back quicker? i probably would have. but again, monroe was taking his lunch money and brook was just loafing around the perimeter.

as far as lopez not getting shots. to me thats like 99.9% on lopez. im sure hollins isnt putting the shackles on him. he needs to start being aggressive and playing closer to the paint

So you agree with leaving Lopez, Young, and RHJ off of the floor because the roster as a whole sucks, and playing Joe Johnson 40 mins is the best solution.

[MrDollarBills]

Johnson and Jack both need to come off of the bench. They are killing this team

so are basically every G/Wing who come in the game

Larkin/Bojan/RHJ/Young/Lopez have to be the main 5. The perimeter trio at least gives you speed, athleticism, and aggressiveness. they all will commit to defending (even if they aren't good at it). RHJ/Young/Bojan all will run. the Nets are nearly last in pace (and every other category). The Nets can't shoot for **** either way so I don't care about spacing at this point. Pick and roll sets with Larkin.

and larkin and bogs are both really poor defenders. it might not be worse but is it any better?

i just cant get on hollins for his lineups when 90% of his team is backups or 3rd stringers.

The Nets are +5 with RHJ on the floor, and a whopping -25.5 when he is OFF. I didn't have to look this up to know that beforehand, the eye test showed clearly that this team is at its best with him out there.

small sample to start using +/-

Billy King needs to get off of his ass and put Hollins in check fast before this gets out of hand. Johnson's minutes need to be cut not for the sake of his 34 year old legs but for the sake of the team. Play the young guys for god's sake

im all for starting RHJ over joe. but i dont think it will have nearly the effect you think it will. id still do it, cause i want as many high effort defenders on the floor as i can get. give me markel and RHJ. but im under no illusions that it will change much, it could even get worse. take joe off the floor and you are left with just 1 get who commands a double team (brook) and he struggles to move the ball out of it, and spends alot of time on the outside perimeter on offense.

A small sample size? So you think that number will dramatically change? I could have told you the Nets were better with Johnson off of the floor and with RHJ on without looking at the stats. I doubt that changes anytime soon.

The point of the suggested line up is that it contains three perimeter guys that are active and will attempt to defend, Larkin/Bojan aren't great defenders but they actually attempt to D up while Jack and Johnson don't even bother with it.

It's not a coincidence that when these guys check in the tempo and activity trends upwards. I'd rather lose watching guys scrap instead of 40 minutes of garbage basketball from Joe. I don't blame Joe for everything, but he is not helping at all.

[Prokorov]

So you agree with leaving Lopez, Young, and RHJ off of the floor because the roster as a whole sucks, and playing Joe Johnson 40 mins is the best solution.

Lopez had 5 fouls. i agreed taking him out. i probably would have brought him back at around the 1:30 make instead of the :30 mark myself, but im not going to split hairs over 60 seconds of court time when i personally dont think it would have changed the outcome. not to say it couldnt have changed the outcome, but i dont believe it would have.

I'm fine leaving RHJ off the floor. he is a rookie, he is a bit of a liability on offense, and if its true he snapped back at hollins, well, im even more ok with it then. I always want RHJ to play as much as possible because im all about guys who play with high effort. but im not knocking a coach for not playing a 1 way rookie a ton of minutes to instead give time to other 1 way players.

Thad probably should have played more. but out spacing was awful and our pick and roll didnt really pick up until we went small. we started to get it going a bit after putting joe at PF which helped space the floor better. i also dont think thad would have made any difference if he played more. he was +14... would he have ended +20 if he played more? i dont know.

Lopez is really the only guy i have a problem with if he isnt on the floor. and he was off the floor more due to foul trouble then anything else. and he did bring him back, just about a minute late.

im also more talking about his rotations overall, not just vs the bucks. there really isnt a lineup he can go to that is a good one. they all have major issues. i honestly dont think it effects our W/L much one way or another who you start next to brook or who you give big minutes to next to him. he is our only real legit starting player.if you want to throw thads name in there im not going to argue, but thad isnt a game changer

[Prokorov]

A small sample size? So you think that number will dramatically change? I could have told you the Nets were better with Johnson off of the floor and with RHJ on without looking at the stats. I doubt that changes anytime soon.

yes, i think they will drastically change. i dont think we will be 25.5 points better or whatever it was with RHJ on the floor vs off it.

i think if joe played less and RHj played more those numbers will even out. its impossible not to be a negative on this team when you play 35+ minutes because we are a bad team that is going to lose most nights.

are we better with RHJ on the floor? maybe. probably? at 20 minutes certainly. at 30-35 minutes i dont know.

The point of the suggested line up is that it contains three perimeter guys that are active and will attempt to defend, Larkin/Bojan aren't great defenders but they actually attempt to D up while Jack and Johnson don't even bother with it.

attempt to defend, but sitll being a poor defender is great. i love it and im all for it. but it wont change the outcomes. and in 2 weeks you me and everyone else will be calling for another lineup. weve all seen it. look how we hoped on and off the plumlee and lopez trains last year. multiply that by 1000 and thats what you have with all these role guys thrust into big minutes

im not criticizing you, we all are going to be going back and forth on who should play..., which was kind of my point. its like that old football saying: "when you have 2 quarterbacks, you really have none"

thats kind of true at most positions for us. when you have 3 point gaurds you really have none. when you have 2 sgs you really have none. etc. we have a bunch of bad options everything, and any way you arrange it the outcome is the guys playing big minutes will look bad and we likely come up short

It's not a coincidence that when these guys check in the tempo and activity trends upwards. I'd rather lose watching guys scrap instead of 40 minutes of garbage basketball from Joe. I don't blame Joe for everything, but he is not helping at all.

so would i. which is why my vote is for markel, rhj, thad, trob, lopez to start. but that lineup isnt beating anyone either.

also, while the activity trends upwards, the score doesnt change. we scored a combined 31 points in the 2nd and 4th quarters, when the reserves played most. you want to know why joe plays 40 minutes? because when he isnt there no one commands any respect but lopez who they just have 10 eyes on at all times. say what you want about joe, he is 100% washed up, i agree. but he still commands a double team. and he is still one of the few guys who can shoot from range.

i dont know the best lineup any better then you.... i do think that there isnt any lineup that will work

[jbeachboy]

hoping hollins will be desperate to change lineups and rotation again

[jbeachboy]

even the basketball gods are fed up with jarrett jack....................


Jarrett Jack missed practice with a tight left hamstring. It's the same hamstring that caused him to miss the season opener last week

[NyCeEvO]

I'm going to reserve my comments/criticisms/etc until we're atleast 1/4 of the season is done. But it's hard to watch the games at times.

I'm pretty sure I made this exact post after the first preseason game.

[Paradise]

So, Billy just hired Randy Ayers who will serve as a college scout.


Oh, the Irony.

Was he with Philly during those days?

Correct. I'm guessing King is now setting his sights on the draft...Ironic once again. I do believe we will figure out a way to get another 1st round pick somehow but It will be very hard this time around.

[MrDollarBills]

You mean 2nd round picks.

[Prokorov]

hoping hollins will be desperate to change lineups and rotation again

if last year was any indication i dont think hollins will stick with any starting lineup unless it is successful

he starter 2 different PGs last year, including benching dwill

he started 4 different SGs (brown, karasev, bogs, AA)

he started 3 different centers including benching lopez

he started 3 different PFs including benching KG for for CJ

i think he will keep shuffling the deck until something works

[jbeachboy]

i think larkin and rhj will be starting soon if we continue to lose, jack and joe johnson need to be benched if they dont turn it around.

whats cost of buying a first round pick? nets should try and do this since we dont have any. im seeing what billy king trades before trade deadline in order to try and save his job.

[kamaze]

i think larkin and rhj will be starting soon if we continue to lose, jack and joe johnson need to be benched if they dont turn it around.

whats cost of buying a first round pick? nets should try and do this since we dont have any. im seeing what billy king trades before trade deadline in order to try and save his job.

Anything of value....
Joe looks stuck in quicksand but he always starts off slow haha. Part of why the team has slow starts to the season.

Hollins could start RHJ or even let Karasev peek out of the dog house but he has his way of doing things.