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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#41 » by Dirk » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:11 pm

What a sweet win. Blow them out. Let them back in. Win the game again.

MVP of the game: I give it to Young. His effort when the game was tight in the fourth quarter was really impressive. Had that monumental steal and then drew a charge. Lots of guys playing well though. With the usual exception of Bogdanovic, whose confidence is totally shot.

Bargnani was a thing of beauty in this one. Larkin has been doing ok lately, playing with confidence. Hopefully that chemistry with Bargnani is here to stay, because more often than not, what happens is some rushed play, moving screens, etc. Bargnani was really in a nice rhythm. 8-) What am I saying? As long as he doesn't up his intensity on defense, it's tough to rely on him. For all his work, extending the lead... he only got a +/- of +1. :nonono:

RHJ is really impressive. He had like 4 steals in the first 6 minutes of the game and he was looking to poke the ball from behind all over the place. But yeah, he's going to have to work on a jump shot, otherwise it's a big liability. To his credit, he seems to have nice hands and be able to pass the ball well, but there were occasions where he was totally open and he didn't know what to do. Maybe his energy his contagious? The Nets certainly have played with a lot more force than expected and seem to feed of his activity.

With how well most guys did, the game shouldn't have been that close. Avery Bradley in the last 5 games: 20 pts, 50%fg, 53%3ptfg/6.2 attempts). That's the sophisticated Celtics offense. Thomas. Bradley. And for all the sucking up to their coach, it was ironic that they fouled RHJ on the inbound play and he nailed both at a crucial time stopping their momentum.

P.S: it's hilarious hearing/reading the Celtics announcers/fans whining about the refs. It was the EXACT same thing in their loss to the Mavs recently. Every game it's a conspiracy against them. :lol:
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#42 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:03 pm

I hope we could play to some strengths of the team.

Still holding out that Bargs can really be an impact player offensively. Let him get his rhythm going. Have plays designed for him, call his #. Let him be a scorer as well, especially when we can't rely on the regulars.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#43 » by Shook Jones » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:24 pm

Bargs is good at the elbows and ft line thats it. Screen and roll all day dont do anything else. Do not like him with Lopez on the floor though, they are too slow closing out.
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Post#44 » by Paradise » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:50 pm

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
P.S: it's hilarious hearing/reading the Celtics announcers/fans whining about the refs. It was the EXACT same thing in their loss to the Mavs recently. Every game it's a conspiracy against them. :lol:

Celtics fans are amusing. They have a .500 team at best and act absolutely shocked when they lose.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#45 » by jbeachboy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:08 pm

bargnani used to be able to drive and ball fake better but apparently those injuries have slowed him down or scared him. he used to dunk over people on drives a few years back. he has a nice jumpshot but he should be benched for reed or mccullough cause his rebounding and defense is awful.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#46 » by kerry kittles » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:42 pm

jbeachboy wrote:bargnani used to be able to drive and ball fake better but apparently those injuries have slowed him down or scared him. he used to dunk over people on drives a few years back. he has a nice jumpshot but he should be benched for reed or mccullough cause his rebounding and defense is awful.


Yes, this.

Bargs is a god awful basketball player.

He's in love with his own shot - 2nd most FGA per 36 on the team - only behind Brook while being inefficient - TS% of 46.2%. He's so inefficient because he doesn't have 3 point range anymore, a point I mentioned repeatedly in the offseason and got attacked for - he has made just 2 3 pointers this season, and he doesn't attack and get to the line like you mention.

He is incredibly selfish. Not only the whole 2nd on the team in FGA per 36, but he only has 2 assists on the year. 2 assists in 188 minutes of basketball.

Plus the poor rebounding, defense you mention. His ass should be glued to the bench when Reed gets healthy. For now just play him 12 minutes per game when Brook sits. Don't play him alongside Brook.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#47 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:50 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:I hope we could play to some strengths of the team.

Still holding out that Bargs can really be an impact player offensively. Let him get his rhythm going. Have plays designed for him, call his #. Let him be a scorer as well, especially when we can't rely on the regulars.


He's so inefficient that I don't really expect much from him.

The problem isn't Bargs its the fact that the only wing who is putting up a good PER is RHJ. That's why we are 3-11. God help this team if Jarrett Jack can't keep up his production.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#48 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:53 pm

The rebounding will improve from Bargs, that's not a tall task. Defense, he could make little improvements and that's it, I can't expect solid performances from him there. He can try it but some guys have it n some don't...

Offensively that's where he needs to make up for it....

Bogs and JJ are unreliable, Young n Brook needs rest. Karasev, Ellington haven't come through. THis where he needs to be aggressive without being a detriment.

It can work but Bargs needs to put the work behind it, he was killing it for Italy in the summer beforehand so its not lost on him.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#49 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:59 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:I hope we could play to some strengths of the team.

Still holding out that Bargs can really be an impact player offensively. Let him get his rhythm going. Have plays designed for him, call his #. Let him be a scorer as well, especially when we can't rely on the regulars.


He's so inefficient that I don't really expect much from him.

The problem isn't Bargs its the fact that the only wing who is putting up a good PER is RHJ. That's why we are 3-11. God help this team if Jarrett Jack can't keep up his production.

He is inefficient but I(as a fan of the NETs) need him to get better. I need Hollins n co. to get him to get better and be more involved.

When we are in "2nd unit" playing time, right now Bogs, JJ, Ellington are not or have not done anything to help. Get Bargs more involved, he's a capable scorer so its not like we're asking him to be someone he's not.

The problem on wings is a big problem. If we can't land help in the wings, get the bigs more involved to help shoulder the load.

Larkin has started to answer the call. its time for Bargs to man up and be involved.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#50 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:59 pm

Yeah and at times Bogs looked like a beast during the Eurobasket but his confidence is trash...I don't really put weight into non NBA league competition unless its being done against Team USA in the World Cup or Olympics.

I think you're asking too much from a guy who is notoriously inefficient.

Again he is the least of the problems but expecting him to be reliable is a stretch.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#51 » by CalamityX12 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:10 pm

Just looking for answers within the team. I want to say that Lionel tried alternatives 1-9999 before settling for it what it is.

We all see and know(majority) that Bogs, JJ, Ellington, Larkin for a bit have all been very ineffective. Yet JJ & Bogs continue to dictate the offense in terms of shots and matchup despite their poor offensive flow. It has slowed us down and some events, left us in the waters in games.

Time to switch to something else. As a scorer, Bargs is the next best option that hasn't really got involved. Get ball, pass ball to Lopez(60-40 makes), JJ(30-70 makes) or Bogs(30-70 makes).... maybe Bargs won't make a difference and maybe he'll fail but let him fail. I want to see that he was given the keys to try, and off the 2nd unit nonetheless. He needs to feel and be more involved, I think the same goes for Trob(be a more fast paced team). Standing and watching isn't going to help because he's not in the league for his defense.

Worse case scenario? nothing really worse than what we have now.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#52 » by jbeachboy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:30 pm

kerry kittles wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:bargnani used to be able to drive and ball fake better but apparently those injuries have slowed him down or scared him. he used to dunk over people on drives a few years back. he has a nice jumpshot but he should be benched for reed or mccullough cause his rebounding and defense is awful.


Yes, this.

Bargs is a god awful basketball player.

He's in love with his own shot - 2nd most FGA per 36 on the team - only behind Brook while being inefficient - TS% of 46.2%. He's so inefficient because he doesn't have 3 point range anymore, a point I mentioned repeatedly in the offseason and got attacked for - he has made just 2 3 pointers this season, and he doesn't attack and get to the line like you mention.

He is incredibly selfish. Not only the whole 2nd on the team in FGA per 36, but he only has 2 assists on the year. 2 assists in 188 minutes of basketball.

Plus the poor rebounding, defense you mention. His ass should be glued to the bench when Reed gets healthy. For now just play him 12 minutes per game when Brook sits. Don't play him alongside Brook.




im not going to fault bargs for not passing, look at the other players who are in the game with him , trob, larkin, bogs, and sergey. i would be pissed if bargs passed up open shots to be unselfish.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#53 » by jbeachboy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:31 pm

bargs is in the game for scoring so i want him to shoot when he gets a good shot, he doesnt offer much else to the team if he doesnt do that.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#54 » by kerry kittles » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:08 pm

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jbeachboy wrote:bargnani used to be able to drive and ball fake better but apparently those injuries have slowed him down or scared him. he used to dunk over people on drives a few years back. he has a nice jumpshot but he should be benched for reed or mccullough cause his rebounding and defense is awful.


Yes, this.

Bargs is a god awful basketball player.

He's in love with his own shot - 2nd most FGA per 36 on the team - only behind Brook while being inefficient - TS% of 46.2%. He's so inefficient because he doesn't have 3 point range anymore, a point I mentioned repeatedly in the offseason and got attacked for - he has made just 2 3 pointers this season, and he doesn't attack and get to the line like you mention.

He is incredibly selfish. Not only the whole 2nd on the team in FGA per 36, but he only has 2 assists on the year. 2 assists in 188 minutes of basketball.

Plus the poor rebounding, defense you mention. His ass should be glued to the bench when Reed gets healthy. For now just play him 12 minutes per game when Brook sits. Don't play him alongside Brook.




im not going to fault bargs for not passing, look at the other players who are in the game with him , trob, larkin, bogs, and sergey. i would be pissed if bargs passed up open shots to be unselfish.


He hasn't played exclusively with those guys. He's played 67 minutes with Lopez. He's played 152 minutes with Bogs. 60 minutes with Joe. Yes, our roster doesn't have great offensive fire power, but there's enough there where he should be able to rack up more than 2 assists in the 188 minutes of basketball he's played. He has the lowest AST% of anyone whose played more than 20 minutes on the team.

He's not efficient - like I mentioned his TS% is bad. So it's not like he's knocking down open looks so you can forgive his ball stopping.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#55 » by jbeachboy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:41 pm

i dont mind bargnani shooting those jumpers, those are wide open jumpshots he is taking, he isnt really forcing many. the bench is pretty crappy and those two pointers around free throw line are automatic for him when he is on. i dont see why people are so furious, do you really want him setting plays up for thomas robinson, bojan who looks like crap except the first few games, larkin, etc.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#56 » by kerry kittles » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:49 pm

jbeachboy wrote:i dont mind bargnani shooting those jumpers, those are wide open jumpshots he is taking, he isnt really forcing many. the bench is pretty crappy and those two pointers around free throw line are automatic for him when he is on. i dont see why people are so furious, do you really want him setting plays up for thomas robinson, bojan who looks like crap except the first few games, larkin, etc.


I said originally I don't want him playing at all alongside Brook because it's a very poor combination. He should be used exclusively as Brook's backup - playing 12 or so minutes/night. No more minutes alongside Brook. When Willie Reed comes back he should replace him.

I don't like Bargs because he's inefficient, he doesn't pass the ball, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't defend. That's why I'm "furious" watching him play. Our bench is one of the worst in the league. Just because it is doesn't mean I will give Bargs a pass.
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Re: PG: Nets beat down Boston 

Post#57 » by jbeachboy » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:49 pm

hollins has to be wanting him to take those shots cause bargs has been shooting them all year. those are good open shots he needs to knock down. he needs to score. the rest of the bench sucks on offense. as long as he doesnt start forcing shots.

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