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Re: RE: Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#21 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:27 am

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That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting.

It's hilarious how you say his statement is based on conjecture and then the very next statement you make is conjecture.


LOL

Defense is something quantifiable. There are stats that prove he isnt a bad defender which I posted.

BBIQ is purely based on opinion.

1) Defense is not accurately quantifiable especially when we're talking about single value statistics.

There are stats that attempt to give a particular value to overall defense which fail to capture some major and minor nuances of defense. The same can be said about offensive statistics.

Stats such as PER are largely based off of box-score accumulation. Most people (especially those who have watched Jason Kidd) know the box score does not capture all (and in some cases most of) the true positive/negative impact a player has on a game. There's so much more to be said about this subject but I'll stop here because my main comment wasn't even about this.


2) You're the one who said "That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting."

You said that MDB's comment is "based on nothing but conjecture" but your very next sentence ("His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting") is based on unprovable assumption.

— We don't know what Jack's IQ is.
— You're making the assumption that if Jack has a high IQ, his IQ level is what makes most players think he'd be a good coach. We don't know why Jack was considered one of top players to become a coach by his peers. All we do know that is most players have liked him as a teammate.
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Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#22 » by robbie84 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:26 am

Jarrett Jack is one of the worst starting point guards in the NBA.
He is just terrible and I feel sorry for Nets fans having to rely on this chucker/no defense playing bum.
Absolute scrub.
One day Marcus Smart will be defensive player of the year, mark my words.
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Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#23 » by shakendfries » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:50 pm

robbie84 wrote:Jarrett Jack is one of the worst starting point guards in the NBA.
He is just terrible and I feel sorry for Nets fans having to rely on this chucker/no defense playing bum.
Absolute scrub.


He's actually been pretty good as a starter. He's top 10 in assists per game, and is shooting .485 for the year. The only problem is that he's better suited in a bench role. And while it sucks having him as a starter, its still cool to have a team to root for
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Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#24 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:41 am

robbie84 wrote:Jarrett Jack is one of the worst starting point guards in the NBA.
He is just terrible and I feel sorry for Nets fans having to rely on this chucker/no defense playing bum.
Absolute scrub.


jack has been playing his ass off this year and has made an effort to move the rock. At least watch the games before hitting the submit button :nonono:
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Re: RE: Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#25 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:47 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:It's hilarious how you say his statement is based on conjecture and then the very next statement you make is conjecture.


LOL

Defense is something quantifiable. There are stats that prove he isnt a bad defender which I posted.

BBIQ is purely based on opinion.

1) Defense is not accurately quantifiable especially when we're talking about single value statistics.

There are stats that attempt to give a particular value to overall defense which fail to capture some major and minor nuances of defense. The same can be said about offensive statistics.

Stats such as PER are largely based off of box-score accumulation. Most people (especially those who have watched Jason Kidd) know the box score does not capture all (and in some cases most of) the true positive/negative impact a player has on a game. There's so much more to be said about this subject but I'll stop here because my main comment wasn't even about this.


2) You're the one who said "That's based on nothing but conjecture. His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting."

You said that MDB's comment is "based on nothing but conjecture" but your very next sentence ("His IQ is probably the highest on the team hence why he is considered a coach in waiting") is based on unprovable assumption.

— We don't know what Jack's IQ is.
— You're making the assumption that if Jack has a high IQ, his IQ level is what makes most players think he'd be a good coach. We don't know why Jack was considered one of top players to become a coach by his peers. All we do know that is most players have liked him as a teammate.


I think that Jack, because he is a competitor, and I think that he is a motivator. Even after losses, he stays positive and on the court on offense he has an aggressive mentality. If Steph Curry, who is **** ing God tier right now, shouts him out in an MVP acceptance speech as the guy who taught him how to approach the game (and I see it because Steph is so offensively aggressive I can see where Jack gets props from his peers despite his limitations.

jack is has a low defensive iq based on how easily he gets lost in man to man defense. I saw that a few times from him tonight against the Cavs.
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Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#26 » by jbeachboy » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:25 pm

jack is at least giving more effort on defense despite his low defensive iq. jack is a totally different player as a starter this year than trying to be a shoot first scorer off the bench. i would pick up his option for 1 more year if we dont find anyone better and just replace the wings and sfs.
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Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#27 » by Net Sentence » Wed Dec 2, 2015 3:35 am

Listening to Jack in the post game interview right now and it's obvious the leadership he is providing. Larkin got hot and Hollins chose to go with him and Jack couldnt be happier. He is a real leader and is a coach in uniform. The guy has stayed composed and upbeat through this entire start to the season and we can really turn the season around if we go 3-1 over our next 3 games.

Oh yeah, Jack made the defensive play on the final play to win us the game.
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Re: New Jack City: Official Jarrett Jack Thread 

Post#28 » by jbeachboy » Wed Dec 2, 2015 4:30 am

jack had a crappy game tonight besides the steal but ive been impressed so far and would be okay with him for another year at most.

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