PG: Nets outscored by 12 in 4Q in loss to Magic

[Paradise]

How in god's name does Joe Johnson still manage to get 34 minutes while Ellington finishes with 17 minutes after having 25 points against Miami? I don't understand what Johnson has done to get this sort of immorality as a starter.

[jbeachboy]

hollins lives and dies with veterans even when they continue to suck or analytics tell him so. also he has no confidence in sloan, markel brown this year or karasev to do better than joe johnson so he just stays with joe.

[jbeachboy]

brook and bojan were only reasons the nets were even close and were up in this game. i blame the perimeter help defense. how does joe let harris go in for a layup there on the cut!

[CalamityX12]

How in god's name does Joe Johnson still manage to get 34 minutes while Ellington finishes with 17 minutes after having 25 points against Miami? I don't understand what Johnson has done to get this sort of immorality as a starter.

Was Wayne off last night?

Didn't see the game but didn't miss anything new apparently.

[Dirk]

1:10 left to go

Jack is held by Oladipo --- not called.
Loses possession, dives on the floor and CLEARLY calls time out --- a ref is clearly looking directly into him. Not given.
Magic guys put their hands on the ball and they call a jump ball.
They end up winning it and from then it was just a comedy of errors.
Joe Johnson falls asleep on defense and Harris cuts to the basket for an easy 2 points. Then offensive foul on Lopez.

Seriously... the refereeing is a joke. How on earth do they not give the time-out there?

[Prokorov]

joe johnson 7 points and 3 rebounds while sloan, markel, and karasev sit on bench! man has the body of a 40 year old player right now, hollins is a freakin moron.

seriously how can we not play future hall of famers like donalod sloan and markel brown!

[Prokorov]

hollins lives and dies with veterans even when they continue to suck or analytics tell him so. also he has no confidence in sloan, markel brown this year or karasev to do better than joe johnson so he just stays with joe.

we dont really have any young players who arent d-leaguers. its not like he is sitting legit nba players. sloan is older then larkin and larkin plays.

[MrDollarBills]

joe johnson 7 points and 3 rebounds while sloan, markel, and karasev sit on bench! man has the body of a 40 year old player right now, hollins is a freakin moron.

seriously how can we not play future hall of famers like donalod sloan and markel brown!

johnson gives the team nothing at this point....playing Brown can't hurt, at least he'll be more active. Plus, he can't shoot any worse than johnson is now.

I let Brown cut into Johnson's minutes.

[Ror1997]

hollins lives and dies with veterans even when they continue to suck or analytics tell him so. also he has no confidence in sloan, markel brown this year or karasev to do better than joe johnson so he just stays with joe.

we dont really have any young players who arent d-leaguers. its not like he is sitting legit nba players. sloan is older then larkin and larkin plays.

Hollins did the same thing to some young guys in Memphis. They turned out to be Demarre Carrol, OJ Mayo and Kyle Lowry.

[Prokorov]

joe johnson 7 points and 3 rebounds while sloan, markel, and karasev sit on bench! man has the body of a 40 year old player right now, hollins is a freakin moron.

seriously how can we not play future hall of famers like donalod sloan and markel brown!

johnson gives the team nothing at this point....playing Brown can't hurt, at least he'll be more active. Plus, he can't shoot any worse than johnson is now.

I let Brown cut into Johnson's minutes.

sitting johnson im fine with....

but this notion that the guys rotting on the bench are anything but scrubs is pretty crazy. it cant hurt to sit johnson, but those guys can certainly be worse. for whatever reason, joe still commands a double team and a defender locked to him on the perimeter. he provides pretty much the only spacing and double teams we get. i assume thats the only reason he still sees 30+ minutes

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah Vucevic was kicking ass because he was more aggressive after half time and he had a few putbacks because the perimeter guys got into the paint, brook jumped to alter their shot and Vucevic was waiting there every time for putbacks

It's not all Brook's fault tonight, I watched this game and he's the last guy on the **** list.

The Nets and Lopez have been front runners for a while. During his allstar season, I'm pretty sure Lopez averaged more points in the 1st quarter than any other player in the league. While it's great to have good start, it's always better to have a good finish. Teams that make a 20pt run in the 1st quarter and then stop playing lose teams who sucked in the beginning but finally found their mojo at towards the end of the game.

We need closers, not front runners.

[NyCeEvO]

1:10 left to go

Jack is held by Oladipo --- not called.
Loses possession, dives on the floor and CLEARLY calls time out --- a ref is clearly looking directly into him. Not given.
Magic guys put their hands on the ball and they call a jump ball.
They end up winning it and from then it was just a comedy of errors.
Joe Johnson falls asleep on defense and Harris cuts to the basket for an easy 2 points. Then offensive foul on Lopez.

Seriously... the refereeing is a joke. How on earth do they not give the time-out there?

I don't know what it is but in the games I've watched over the last two season in which loose ball situations have occurred, the refs have been reluctant to call anything but a jumpball. In fact, I really can't remember the last scramble for which a ref made a quick accurate decision to give the ball to the rightful team.

[Dirk]

I don't know what it is but in the games I've watched over the last two season in which loose ball situations have occurred, the refs have been reluctant to call anything but a jumpball. In fact, I really can't remember the last scramble for which a ref made a quick accurate decision to give the ball to the rightful team.

Interesting point. I don't have a perception of what happens at end of games.

I do recall several situations during games where a guy doesn't have clear possession and they still give him the time out --- but I can't recall if they change their tendencies at end of games. And of course, there are also those situations where guys jump on top of others, should be called for a foul and yet it's given a jump ball, even if sometimes they don't even have their hands on the ball.

This situation just jumped out at me because there was daylight between Jack and the Magic guys and he clearly called the timeout. A ref had a perfect view of him.

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[NyCeEvO]

I don't know what it is but in the games I've watched over the last two season in which loose ball situations have occurred, the refs have been reluctant to call anything but a jumpball. In fact, I really can't remember the last scramble for which a ref made a quick accurate decision to give the ball to the rightful team.

Interesting point. I don't have a perception of what happens at end of games.

I do recall several situations during games where a guy doesn't have clear possession and they still give him the time out --- but I can't recall if they change their tendencies at end of games. And of course, there are also those situations where guys jump on top of others, should be called for a foul and yet it's given a jump ball, even if sometimes they don't even have their hands on the ball.

This situation just jumped out at me because there was daylight between Jack and the Magic guys and he clearly called the timeout. A ref had a perfect view of him.

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TBH, this is something teams should practice or at least go over conceptually in review sessions.

Since the league made the rule change that anyone can call the timeout as long as a member of their team has possession, the player who's diving for the ball should just concentrate on showing that they clearly possess the ball while a teammate not in the scram should be running up to the ref.

With Jack holding the ball but then motioning for a timeout, I can see a ref being fooled into thinking he hasn't established possession yet. I didn't watch the game but on the first replay, I can see why a ref would just wait until both sides had the ball since it kinda looks like Jack is bobbling the ball when he's really trying to hold the ball and call timeout at the same time.

[jbeachboy]

the problem is hollins plays joe too many minutes , at least with sloan he will run offense and pass, brown will hustle and play defense, joe johnson gives nothing except for a few games.