A petition for the firing Billy King (please help us)

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah after more thought i'm with you.

1) Buy out Johnson.
2) Trade Lopez/Young/Bogdanovic for picks and expiring deals. Get 1st rd picks in this year's draft.
3) Do not trade any younger players. Develop.
4) Fire Billy King and Lionel Hollins
5) Start fresh with at least something to work with for the new regime.

[Paradise]

Here are some ideas to accelerate the rebuild. I don't think we should trade all at once, though but let's see.

Thaddeus:

Option 1: Thad/Karasev/Sloan to Toronto for Patterson, Biyombo, Powell, Wright, 16' 1st.

Wright/Larkin
Bogs/Powell
RHJ/Johnson
Patterson/McCullough/TRob
Lopez/Biyombo/Reed


Option 2: Thad/Sergey to Washington for Nene, Oubre Jr, 16' 1st.

Larkin/*Dleague call up*/Sloan
RHJ
Oubre/Johnson
Nene/McCullough/TRob
Lopez/Reed

Option 3: Thad/Ellington/Bogdanovic to Houston for Lawson, Jones, Dekker, Harrell.

Lawson/Larkin
RHJ/Brown
Johnson/Dekker/Karasev
Jones/McCullough/Harrell
Lopez/Reed/Bargs/TRob


Brook Lopez

Option 1: Brook, Bogs to Charlotte for Lin, Zeller, Hairston, Jefferson, 16' 1st, 19' 2nd.

Lin/Larkin
Ellington/Hairston
RHJ/Johnson
Zeller/McCullough/TRob
Jefferson/Reed


Option 2: Brook/Donald Sloan to Chicago for Noah, Snell, Portis or 16' 1st.


Larkin/*D-League call up*
RHJ/Snell
Bogs/Johnson
Portis/McCullough/TRob
Noah/Reed/Bargs


Option 3:

Brook/Karasev/Sloan to Boston for Lee, Zeller, Rozier, Mickey, 16' 1st (BOS own), 18' 1st (ours)


Larkin/Rozier
RHJ/Ellington
Bogs/Johnson
Lee/McCullough/Mickey
Zeller/Reed/TRob

[Prokorov]

If we can get two late lottery to mid round firsts and cap relief for Thad/Lopez, fine. I say pull the plug. We'll be gifting Boston two stud players in the mean time more than likely in consecutive drafts but we'll have to just block that from our minds.

Basically, the middle ground is to accumulate as many picks as possible and cap space. We'll have a pick in next year's draft. If we can get two firsts in this year's draft to begin rebuilding I'm all for it. No sense to drag this out any longer. Instruct King to have a firesale and them fire him. At least the next GM will have something to work with.

This franchise needs to start fresh. Deluding ourselves with names like Derozan, Beal etc is pointless. Why would those guys come here unless we offer poison pill contracts?

this is what i have been saying all along. forget boston...boston is going to become a top team in the east regardless of where those picks end up. to be honest. if they didnt even have our pick they are headed straight to the top. they have tons of picks beyond that, tons of young guys and tons of cap room and a great GM.

we should do what they did. and what you suggested. deal lopez/thad for picks and cap relief. get to a place where we have young guys, picks, cap space and hopefully a good GM now that king is gone

people need to stop focusing on things like "thad is on a bargain contract" and look at the big picture. with thad playing like an allstar we are 10-27. wiht lopez posting 19/9 we are still an awful team. its not like we are a couple players away from being good. and those 2 will never be the core of a good team.

take the cap space, take whatever picks you can get. and sell a blank canvas to a new GM

[Prokorov]

Yeah after more thought i'm with you.

1) Buy out Johnson.
2) Trade Lopez/Young/Bogdanovic for picks and expiring deals. Get 1st rd picks in this year's draft.
3) Do not trade any younger players. Develop.
4) Fire Billy King and Lionel Hollins
5) Start fresh with at least something to work with for the new regime.

id keep bogdanovic. only makes 3 million and im not ready to give up on him in his second year after playing with such horrible talent around him. he is a guy i can see going to someone else and turning into marco bellinelli. i dont trade bogs unless someone idiot gives me a first for him.

for brook. id want a pick but id also want the cap relief. id want at least 50% of his contract back in expirings. i want to be able to offer 2 max deals.

#4 is a done deal already

if we can head into the summer with:

LArkin, Brown, Bogdanovic, Karasev, Hollis-Jefferson, McCullough, 2 firsts in the upcoming draft and 40+ million in cap room i think thats as attractive as you can get for a GM.

the GM would have his choice of all the free agents, he would have 2 first round picks to use or trade, and a couple good young players on rookie deals.

[MrDollarBills]

I'd remove Karasev out of that equation and put Reed in. Karasev is not an NBA player. Reed looks like he can be a decent rotation big.

[Prokorov]

Here are some ideas to accelerate the rebuild. I don't think we should trade all at once, though but let's see.

Thaddeus:

Option 1: Thad/Karasev/Sloan to Toronto for Patterson, Biyombo, Powell, Wright, 16' 1st.

Wright/Larkin
Bogs/Powell
RHJ/Johnson
Patterson/McCullough/TRob
Lopez/Biyombo/Reed

i dont see why the raptors do this. thad isnt a piece that puts them over the top. and they are giving up a ton of value. this was proposed on oth the raps and T&T board and it got shot down pretty hard. plus PP is one of ujiris guys

Option 2: Thad/Sergey to Washington for Nene, Oubre Jr, 16' 1st.

Larkin/*Dleague call up*/Sloan
RHJ
Oubre/Johnson
Nene/McCullough/TRob
Lopez/Reed

i think this has more traction. nene is always banged up, washington needs a spark, and that pick is something they wont expect to be in the lottery. its good value for us.

Option 3: Thad/Ellington/Bogdanovic to Houston for Lawson, Jones, Dekker, Harrell.

Lawson/Larkin
RHJ/Brown
Johnson/Dekker/Karasev
Jones/McCullough/Harrell
Lopez/Reed/Bargs/TRob
[/uot

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE this trade. i love montez harrell and having him and RHJ playing next to eachother would be isnane defense/intensity. id love those 2 as a bench duo. i dont know that the rockets do it... again they would have ot be sold that thad not only makes the a top west seed, but puts them almost over the top. they also turned down a trade for thad last season.

Brook Lopez

Option 1: Brook, Bogs to Charlotte for Lin, Zeller, Hairston, Jefferson, 16' 1st, 19' 2nd.

Lin/Larkin
Ellington/Hairston
RHJ/Johnson
Zeller/McCullough/TRob
Jefferson/Reed

love it, great value, not sure charlotte bites. they would have be sold on lopez as a long term centerpiece, im not sure they would

Option 2: Brook/Donald Sloan to Chicago for Noah, Snell, Portis or 16' 1st.


Larkin/*D-League call up*
RHJ/Snell
Bogs/Johnson
Portis/McCullough/TRob
Noah/Reed/Bargs

love this as well, but thats way to much value on the bulls end. 100% expiring money outside of rookie salaries. portis who was a first rounder htis year and the 16 first. no way that happens. maybe without portis and snell, whcih id still do.

Option 3:

Brook/Karasev/Sloan to Boston for Lee, Zeller, Rozier, Mickey, 16' 1st (BOS own), 18' 1st (ours)


Larkin/Rozier
RHJ/Ellington
Bogs/Johnson
Lee/McCullough/Mickey
Zeller/Reed/TRob

don see it ainge is going to want those picks to move up in the draft or chase a star. ainge isnt a guy who chases mid level talent. he will want high lottery talent or a legit all star

all in all, your thinking along the right lines. although i dont see brook getting cap relieve, young talent, and a first. maybe 2 of the 3, but certainly not all 3.

[jbeachboy]

any thoughts from creator of this page?

[FireBillyKing]

any thoughts from creator of this page?

Sure.

First, we want to thank all the fans that supported our cause. Ownership did reach out to us a few times, so our voice was heard. I'm not sure if we impacted Prokhorov's final decision, but at least ownership knew that our web-site existed and I have to assume that had some sort of affect. We had over 20,000 views and over 600 different signers.

Secondly, this is a great day for Nets fans. The Nets are in a pretty terrible spot. They have few assets, even less draft picks, and a pretty bad reputation. Righting the ship will take years. But at least it can start now. As of today, a proper rebuild couldn't even start as you had a dummy making the decisions. Billy King is finally no longer negotiating trades and signings. Hopefully no more trading draft picks for over the hill players. No more overpaying guys who can't help the team. No longer overpaying for 'names' and not substance. No more divas. And maybe starting next season a coach that stays for several years and shows consistency.

I have already been asked a few times; what's the next step? Well the Nets options are limited, but first a direction should be chosen. Do you want a complete rebuild and trade Lopez/Thad? Do you go with youth and accept lots of losses like Phili by bringing in a bunch of young guys with 'potential'? Do you gamble with overpaid vets that have possible value (DRose) in the hope of a quick turn around? These are the questions new management needs to assess and make and not having Billy King making that decision is the right first step. All options should be reviewed and explored by a competent GM this summer (do not act this season until a new coach and GM are brought in).

Personally, I think the goal should be for a watchable team for the next three years until the Nets own their picks again. The Nets have to accept that they aren't cultivating youth and they aren't competing for a title. Instead, the goal should be to make a team that plays hard and is fun to watch. A 35 win team is fine with me if its fun to watch the team play. Hopefully the Nets can play 500 ball but its going to be hard regardless of how you try and fix the errors of King. So forge a team the fans can support. A team that plays hard, play defense, and aren't divas. Get rid of the softer players or guys that don't play defense. Use free agency to bring in hardworking players. Youl don't need to sign Derozan or another 20 ppg scorer, but sign a few guy that plays hard defense and cares about the team. Guys like Rajon Rondo.

In conclusion; I don't have answers, nor do I know what the Nets will do, but not having Billy King making the decisions is the first step to righting ship.

[closg00]

Congrats guys, wish us Wizards fans the same for our GM.

[jbeachboy]

Congrats guys, wish us Wizards fans the same for our GM.

why do you hate about grunfeld recently? they got much better.

[jbeachboy]

any thoughts from creator of this page?

Sure.

First, we want to thank all the fans that supported our cause. Ownership did reach out to us a few times, so our voice was heard. I'm not sure if we impacted Prokhorov's final decision, but at least ownership knew that our web-site existed and I have to assume that had some sort of affect. We had over 20,000 views and over 600 different signers.

Secondly, this is a great day for Nets fans. The Nets are in a pretty terrible spot. They have few assets, even less draft picks, and a pretty bad reputation. Righting the ship will take years. But at least it can start now. As of today, a proper rebuild couldn't even start as you had a dummy making the decisions. Billy King is finally no longer negotiating trades and signings. Hopefully no more trading draft picks for over the hill players. No more overpaying guys who can't help the team. No longer overpaying for 'names' and not substance. No more divas. And maybe starting next season a coach that stays for several years and shows consistency.

I have already been asked a few times; what's the next step? Well the Nets options are limited, but first a direction should be chosen. Do you want a complete rebuild and trade Lopez/Thad? Do you go with youth and accept lots of losses like Phili by bringing in a bunch of young guys with 'potential'? Do you gamble with overpaid vets that have possible value (DRose) in the hope of a quick turn around? These are the questions new management needs to assess and make and not having Billy King making that decision is the right first step. All options should be reviewed and explored by a competent GM this summer (do not act this season until a new coach and GM are brought in).

Personally, I think the goal should be for a watchable team for the next three years until the Nets own their picks again. The Nets have to accept that they aren't cultivating youth and they aren't competing for a title. Instead, the goal should be to make a team that plays hard and is fun to watch. A 35 win team is fine with me if its fun to watch the team play. Hopefully the Nets can play 500 ball but its going to be hard regardless of how you try and fix the errors of King. So forge a team the fans can support. A team that plays hard, play defense, and aren't divas. Get rid of the softer players or guys that don't play defense. Use free agency to bring in hardworking players. Youl don't need to sign Derozan or another 20 ppg scorer, but sign a few guy that plays hard defense and cares about the team. Guys like Rajon Rondo.

In conclusion; I don't have answers, nor do I know what the Nets will do, but not having Billy King making the decisions is the first step to righting ship.

how old are you? who do you want as coach and gm? i agree we need to get rid of bogs, bargnani, joe johnson, ellington, markel brown, etc.

[FireBillyKing]

who do you want as coach and gm?

That is an easy question to ask, but a complicated question to answer. I don't think there is only one right answer, but there are several wrong answers.

First the Nets have to decide how they want to approach the next three years. Do they want to blow it up and trade Lopez/Thad? Do they want to overspend again in hope of making a big splash (bring in DRose or something like that)? Do they want to go with a total youth movement and accept all the losses? Or do they try my plan mentioned above, bring a fun team to watch, not all youth, not flashy names, but guys that play hard and will keep the current fan base somewhat happy.

I like my plan the best, but it may not be the best plan for ownership. You aren't gaining many new fans winning 35 games with no marquee players. You aren't gambling to go from terrible to good, but instead you are accepting a slow rebuild. However, the current fan base will appreciate it. They will watch more games, and want to go the Barclay Center more often if the team is competitive. True fans will appreciate the toughness of the players...Further, although I doubt this type of team will be +500, a 35 win team will be competitive until the final month of the season with a chance to make the playoffs. As a fan its fun to watch a team playing for something, even it its to trying to make the playoffs. It will keep fans interested as opposed to the current disaster of a team.

So, that's the first question to ownership - the direction they want to go affects the GM and coach they hire.

As a note; the Nets already tried a few times to make big splashes and they all failed miserably. Yes, it was Billy, the dummy, at the helm of those trades, but do you really want to go through that again? I think the fans are sick of it. And youth seems too difficult of a build with no draft picks. The Nets could pick up young guys that are discarded high picks, guys like Thomas Robinson, but they rarely pan out. And I like Lopez and Thad and I don't see the Nets hauling more for them then what they are worth. I like the idea of keeping them in the lineup along with RHJ and bringing in strong hardworking defensive PG and a 3-D SG along with a solid bench this off-season.

So with a plan like that, the Nets need a GM that agrees with that. I don't think that is Calipari. He is another flash move that will try to cater to star players.

Secondly, my personal preference, a 'system guy' is preferable. King was a "get the best player available" GM, it was a total failure. Joe Johnson never meshed with Deron Williams. Gerald Wallace couldn't play SF with Lopez clogging the lane. None of the pieces ever fit. Take the Spurs as the example. They have an offense they run, and they always try to get pieces that fit that offense. Bigs that can pass and make the 12 foot jumper are key. Then having wings that shoot the 3 and defend are key. Iso players aren't needed. 20 ppg guys mean little to the Spurs. Names mean little to spurs. But having guys that move well without the ball is important. I would want a system like that. It doesn't have to be the Spurs system (although I like it), but something that gives you a blueprint of the players you want to bring in. So no longer is the GM looking at 'stars' but instead looking for specific pieces for each roster spot. Yes, history has taught us that to win a title in the NBA you need stars, but to be competitive you need tough defense and guys that fit with each other. I think a lot of guys can fill the role of GM, but it is KEY to find the right guy. The guy who understands this.

Another quick note; the GM also needs to be a great PR guy, a great talker, someone who is likable. That was King's best asset, but you need a brain to go with it - something he lacked. But several smart GM's have been too big of an a$$ to get along with their coach or owner or players, or even other teams and that is their downfall. Thorn was a great mix of brains and personality.

As for a coach, I would want a coach that buys into this system. Most coaches are smart and know basketball. Most coaches can work with what they have. The Nets actually had mostly decent coaches for the past several years but the players never meshed. Personally, I've always like Jeff Van Gundy. I think he understands how the current NBA works and is likely by the players, but I would be open minded to most coaches and want to hear everyone out and then speak with former players and assistants to learn more.