GT: Jazz at Nets Jan 22nd 7:30pm YES

[Prokorov]

There are hundreds of them and of course you will see the extremes be more vocal than anyone else. Honestly I see little difference between here and there other than there are simply more of them. If you weed out the extremeists they are just like us. It's the mods that are different. One is a condescending dictator that thinks because it's his site he can say whatever he wants, while ours is hands off.

there isnt an extremely vocal minority.... the issue is anyone who says anything even remotely anti-nets or is in contrast to what windrem writes is immediately banned. the sit itself is just a PR puff place for the nets.

you dont see a big different between here and there? 99% of the posts over there have the nets has a team that should be easily in the playoffs if not for the coaching. and lopez as a superstar in a bad situation. and before he left deron williams as a star but the coaching held us back... etc.

Either way, I just think it's a bad look. We always talk about them even though we're not supposed to (again giving them some odd form of credit/power), I never see us mentioned there.

One ironic thing....I think some of us are more homerish than them...especially regarding FA. I think most there know nothing good is coming in FA where I see some here thinking we have great things on the horizon because of our appeal.

it is impossible to be more homerish then them. they have us winning titles and lopez becoming an mvp candidate. these are not exaggerations, these are things actually being posted over there.

[Net Sentence]

Why are you guys always talking about that other blog? They are mentioned almost daily on here.

You're admitting you're reading not just the articles but also the comments despite how much you despise them. I realize most of you can't comment there because of bans but why talk about them and frequent there so much if you hate them?

Anyway....just something I noticed and find kinda petty..the war between the two sites. (Or at least here...I rarely see RGM mentioned there) We're all fans, no need to try to divide us or claim superiority. Their mod is not my favorite person in the world, but the rest are just fans like you and me. If you want to hate on people why not hate the real enemy and go to Posting and Toasting?

I think everyone goes there for the same reason, to get info. It's well known that the Nets scoop that blog and they regularly break Nets news. You have to skim through the comments a lot of the times to see what Windrem posts. Many of us are banned there because of his god complex. He doesnt take criticism well. I view the Brooklyn Game as well.

[Trader_Joe]

There are hundreds of them and of course you will see the extremes be more vocal than anyone else. Honestly I see little difference between here and there other than there are simply more of them. If you weed out the extremeists they are just like us. It's the mods that are different. One is a condescending dictator that thinks because it's his site he can say whatever he wants, while ours is hands off.

there isnt an extremely vocal minority.... the issue is anyone who says anything even remotely anti-nets or is in contrast to what windrem writes is immediately banned. the sit itself is just a PR puff place for the nets.

you dont see a big different between here and there? 99% of the posts over there have the nets has a team that should be easily in the playoffs if not for the coaching. and lopez as a superstar in a bad situation. and before he left deron williams as a star but the coaching held us back... etc.

Either way, I just think it's a bad look. We always talk about them even though we're not supposed to (again giving them some odd form of credit/power), I never see us mentioned there.

One ironic thing....I think some of us are more homerish than them...especially regarding FA. I think most there know nothing good is coming in FA where I see some here thinking we have great things on the horizon because of our appeal.

it is impossible to be more homerish then them. they have us winning titles and lopez becoming an mvp candidate. these are not exaggerations, these are things actually being posted over there.

I read it and don't see what your talking about.
There is one dude who rides Lopez's jock and has some followers. He's a bit much.
Otherwise I can name twice as many posters there that hate Looez or want him gone than those that like him. I can name 10x as many posters who think this team have no future as opposed to those that have hope. And I see no one that shares yours or NS's optimism regarding our FA appeal.

Most don't see us as better than Philly, attracting any FAs and don't think Phil And or Red Aurbach could save this team. There preseason predictions were in line with most of ours...25-35 wins and have gone down since then. Their Mod is a dbag but I see just as much pessimism and realism as here. He is the reason I cannot respect the site but I don't think the posters there give us fans a band name. It's one of the most respected SB sites and has a ton of traffic considering how awful we are. Regardless they are simply fans and fans of the same team. Not sure why they are considered the enemy. The Mod I get, but even then if half the posters here weren't banned there I doubt there would be so much animosity. Just makes us look pretty IMO as a fan base. As a Mod here Id welcome more traffic and more opinions as I think we tend to be much more narrow minded and group think here TBH. We have an angry vocal minority that likes to flaunt our supposed supeirority over both posters here and are unwelcoming to outsiders from there trying to protect our own vision of how we think fans should be. And I think it's all misguided. Dump on their Mod all you want, but the rest are just fans like you and me.

And again...I see you and Nsentence thinking we have actual FA appeal and might be able to attract Durant and LBJ. Not once have I seen that there....nor do I see them talk about us. I see them mentioned regularly here. Makes us look like the ones with an inferiority complex.

Overall I just think our dislike of the Mod is what motivates our dislike of the posters and thinks it unfair. We should strive for more traffic and opinions here and not try to keep it the exclusive boy's club.

[Net Sentence]

One ironic thing....I think some of us are more homerish than them...especially regarding FA. I think most there know nothing good is coming in FA where I see some here thinking we have great things on the horizon because of our appeal.

No one knows what's going to happen in FA. Great things can be on the horizon because we actually have the ability to make moves this off season. I admit there is a possibility that we could strike out. With that said, I think it's only fair that the "realist" acknowledge that we could also hit a home run and get Durant. We have the money, we have the people in his camp that have Brooklyn ties and we have a roster that he would fit great on. We can even bring in his hand picked choice of coach. After seeing what happened in Cleveland, that is a big thing with star players of Durant and LeBron's caliber.

Every move the Nets make has been in anticipation of getting a max player THIS off season. This isnt football or baseball, one player makes a huge difference in basketball. I am a Giants fan also and the Nets are closer to a championship then them. The Giants are going to need 2-3 drafts to fix the holes on their offensive line and completely rebuild the defense. The Nets can become immediate contenders if they came away with Durant & Rondo/Conley.

[Trader_Joe]

One ironic thing....I think some of us are more homerish than them...especially regarding FA. I think most there know nothing good is coming in FA where I see some here thinking we have great things on the horizon because of our appeal.

No one knows what's going to happen in FA. Great things can be on the horizon because we actually have the ability to make moves this off season. I admit there is a possibility that we could strike out. With that said, I think it's only fair that the "realist" acknowledge that we could also hit a home run and get Durant. We have the money, we have the people in his camp that have Brooklyn ties and we have a roster that he would fit great on. We can even bring in his hand picked choice of coach. After seeing what happened in Cleveland, that is a big thing with star players of Durant and LeBron's caliber.

Every move the Nets make has been in anticipation of getting a max player THIS off season. This isnt football or baseball, one player makes a huge difference in basketball. I am a Giants fan also and the Nets are closer to a championship then them. The Giants are going to need 2-3 drafts to fix the holes on their offensive line and completely rebuild the defense. The Nets can become immediate contenders if they came away with Durant & Rondo/Conley.

I guess...no I don't think that realistic at all. I think that's a level optimism unmatched by anything Ive seen on the other site. There is a thread about it there now and 99% of them laugh at the notion. As well they should IMO.

[Trader_Joe]

Regardless I'll stop as I know we're not supposed to mention them (again seems odd and insecure) but my point is I think we've unfairly alienated potentially a nice mix of posters and opinions that we could have here to diversify the discussion and amp up traffic. I get dumping on the mod and a handful of bad apples but every site has those (not the mod per se)

[NyCeEvO]

Regardless I'll stop as I know we're not supposed to mention them (again seems odd and insecure) but my point is I think we've unfairly alienated potentially a nice mix of posters and opinions that we could have here to diversify the discussion and amp up traffic. I get dumping on the mod and a handful of bad apples but every site has those (not the mod per se)

Other than posting on the site, what other way can you realistically get traffic here?

It's much easier to access the community of posters on that site than on here. You'd have to search for the Nets forum on RealGM where as they have articles you can comment on. I can see why they generate way more traffic than we do. I'd love to have more posters here though.

[Trader_Joe]

Regardless I'll stop as I know we're not supposed to mention them (again seems odd and insecure) but my point is I think we've unfairly alienated potentially a nice mix of posters and opinions that we could have here to diversify the discussion and amp up traffic. I get dumping on the mod and a handful of bad apples but every site has those (not the mod per se)

Other than posting on the site, what other way can you realistically get traffic here?

It's much easier to access the community of posters on that site than on here. You'd have to search for the Nets forum on RealGM where as they have articles you can comment on. I can see why they generate way more traffic than we do. I'd love to have more posters here though.

I've seen some post here under their SN from their and basically be chased away. Plus, they know about us and probably read here every so often. If they come here and see half of us calling them morons, homers, etc. I wouldn't really want to post here either. Again, I can understand some here's issues with their site admin (hell I've been banned a couple times I think) but I see little wrong with the posters as a whole and certainly don't claim to be superior to them for whatever reason. Seems arrogant and petty and as though we are threatened by having more people and opinions around. I like this board and all but there's not many of us and seems a rather homogeneous bunch at times.

[NyCeEvO]

Regardless I'll stop as I know we're not supposed to mention them (again seems odd and insecure) but my point is I think we've unfairly alienated potentially a nice mix of posters and opinions that we could have here to diversify the discussion and amp up traffic. I get dumping on the mod and a handful of bad apples but every site has those (not the mod per se)

Other than posting on the site, what other way can you realistically get traffic here?

It's much easier to access the community of posters on that site than on here. You'd have to search for the Nets forum on RealGM where as they have articles you can comment on. I can see why they generate way more traffic than we do. I'd love to have more posters here though.

I've seen some post here under their SN from their and basically be chased away. Plus, they know about us and probably read here every so often. If they come here and see half of us calling them morons, homers, etc. I wouldn't really want to post here either. Again, I can understand some here's issues with their site admin (hell I've been banned a couple times I think) but I see little wrong with the posters as a whole and certainly don't claim to be superior to them for whatever reason. Seems arrogant and petty and as though we are threatened by having more people and opinions around. I like this board and all but there's not many of us and seems a rather homogeneous bunch at times.

I'm with you. It seems like we've had some internal battles on this board ourselves over the last few months. I hope we're getting better as a collective group.

I like this board too but I definitely wish there were more than 8 people to talk to.

[Prokorov]

And again...I see you and Nsentence thinking we have actual FA appeal and might be able to attract Durant and LBJ. Not once have I seen that there....nor do I see them talk about us. I see them mentioned regularly here. Makes us look like the ones with an inferiority complex.

i dont think we have free agent appeal and have said that repeatedly. i just said out best chance to attract free agents is to sell multiple guys on playing together. cause our current core isnt attractive. i also said it wasnt impossible that durant who have interest here. did i ever say there was a decent chance? no. ive even put it at less then 5%. but there are reasons he would be attractive, or scnearios where i can see it being feasible.

i did say i think he 100% wont be back in OKC, but that didnt mean i thought he was coming here.

i said its likely we strike out on everyone, and end up having to overpay the 3rd tier of FA's

Overall I just think our dislike of the Mod is what motivates our dislike of the posters and thinks it unfair. We should strive for more traffic and opinions here and not try to keep it the exclusive boy's club.

the posters there are the same as the mod, cause anyone who strays from his opinions gets banned. they forum is trash

[Prokorov]

Regardless I'll stop as I know we're not supposed to mention them (again seems odd and insecure) but my point is I think we've unfairly alienated potentially a nice mix of posters and opinions that we could have here to diversify the discussion and amp up traffic. I get dumping on the mod and a handful of bad apples but every site has those (not the mod per se)

Other than posting on the site, what other way can you realistically get traffic here?

It's much easier to access the community of posters on that site than on here. You'd have to search for the Nets forum on RealGM where as they have articles you can comment on. I can see why they generate way more traffic than we do. I'd love to have more posters here though.

I've seen some post here under their SN from their and basically be chased away. Plus, they know about us and probably read here every so often. If they come here and see half of us calling them morons, homers, etc. I wouldn't really want to post here either. Again, I can understand some here's issues with their site admin (hell I've been banned a couple times I think) but I see little wrong with the posters as a whole and certainly don't claim to be superior to them for whatever reason. Seems arrogant and petty and as though we are threatened by having more people and opinions around. I like this board and all but there's not many of us and seems a rather homogeneous bunch at times.

everyone is welcome to post here... and i think its unfair to say anyone has been "chased away" here. coming here, and vehemently defending the gerald wallace trade, having the board all disagree, and then leaving because of it isnt being chased away. same thing with the over the top lopez supporters. Windrem thinks he is a god, but here while lopez still has more supporters then doubters you are going to have some criticism of the guy.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think there's groupthink on here at all, we argue all the damn time on here (which is good imo).

Honestly, my disdain for that blog (outside of them being a news resource) stems mostly from that ass hole Windrem.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't think there's groupthink on here at all, we argue all the damn time on here (which is good imo).

Honestly, my disdain for that blog (outside of them being a news resource) stems mostly from that ass hole Windrem.

My point...its not the fans. It's him.

Half criticize him.
No one likes his choice of a coach.
Plenty think our owner is the problem
Plenty this Lopez is a loser
Etc.

People argue and disagree with others all the time...including him.

He's rude ans insulting to posters but I don't see anyone banned for not buying propaganda....he's one of the most negative people on there now. I do see people banned for attacking him or others, not because they don't agree with him. I've been banned...not for disagree with him but arguing with others i thought were trolling and "swearing".(I said " bitch and moan" once)

Anyway....point is I don't get why we trash there fans when they are hardcore fans like us, talkative and always up for discussion.

And I more mean... This group is homogeneous as in there are not many of us, tend be angry, pessimistic, dont like Lopez, value "heart" and other intangibles and think we are superior to other fans that don't come here and share those views.

I just wish there were more of us.
More traffic, more opinions, more personalities.
We just seem like a close minded group not welcome to outsiders, especially if they come from there. I'd love to steal some of their traffic. But why would they come here when they are trashed behind their backs. Like I said I never see us mentioned there...or rarely and only brought them up since they are mentioned in every other thread here.

[Paradise]

I've seen Winderm in person. He's totally opposite to his internet persona. I get the feeling his "journalism" popularity has gone to his head. It's an ego thing. He attacked posters for calling out Billy's stupid trades. Defended them to the point of banning folks who disagreed with the rational. Now, he's against the Wallace trade, PP/KG deal and the Lionel Hollins hire. He's trying to force his own pessimistic views on everyone now. So, it's him. It's always been him and he's too much of a prideful fool to admit he is a hypocrite. I don't think he's a bad person at all but he needs to step off the pedestal.

I think we're absolutely hypocritical to hold ourselves to a higher standard but usually close ourselves off to those who don't share the same opinions as the next person. We complain about the state of the team but quite honestly, this is a dysfunctional fanbase in its own right. There's still these unresolved feelings of NJ Pride and Brooklyn disdain. We've got to do better as a group. Certain posters shouldn't have to walk on egg shells.

[NyCeEvO]

I think we're absolutely hypocritical to hold ourselves to a higher standard but usually close ourselves off to those who don't share the same opinions as the next person. We complain about the state of the team but quite honestly, this is a dysfunctional fanbase in its own right. There's still these unresolved feelings of NJ Pride and Brooklyn disdain. We've got to do better as a group. Certain posters shouldn't have to walk on egg shells.

I think what drove people away was the game thread arguments. Some people were highly selective in who they would criticize and who they wouldn't say much about.

The whole "Jarrett Jack is awesome/really sucks" was pretty divisive last season. The first comment about a Jack or Lopez making a turnover or playing poorly usually spurred a game long back-and-forth discussion about said player. It was annoying.

I'm sure the lack of posts is due to the Nets just outright sucking this season. If they play better, people will come back. Hopefully people will come back and/or we get more traffic sooner rather than later.