GT: Kings at Nets Feb 5th 7:30pm YES

[Prokorov]

winner winner chicken dinner.

unreal performance.

18 threes

7 for bogs in a career high

Joe 27/11/6

hopefully we can rid this into the break and string some more together. CmCC coming back can only help

we scored 30 points in 3 of 4 quarters

[shakendfries]

Bojan getting off the bench tonight

[MrDollarBills]

Lopez 26 & 12
Young 14 & 14

vs. Cousins and Cauley-Stein in a win

hm.

[MrDollarBills]

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hm.

[vincecarter4pres]

Missed the game but I boxscore watched. Feel like Brook always goes in vs Boogie.

I hate to make a snap judgement, but all the talk of this move and that move, if they can just clear Bogs from the books and part ways with all those other near minimum salary mediocre guys, we have damn close to two max.

Will never be a legit contender by any means, but to beat a dead horse, some combo of Conley plus either Horford and trade Thad for a good wing, or Conley and Horford and trade Brook for a really high level wing, or Conley and sign a guy like DeRozan and trade Thad for a really good 3 and D guy, then add some good depth with the MLE, etc., this team should be a very watchable 40 to 50 win team for a few years barring major injuries or a slew of short ones.

We're still not going to have a go to guy star that would ever guarantee us anything, not even a playoff spot, but a great coach, good GM, 2 big signings, a couple good small signings and some luck and at least we have a consistently watchable product, one that's fun to watch and you can finally emotionally attach yourself to, sum of the parts bigger then the pieces stuff and aside from contending with a true superstar such as Durant or Westbrook, isn't that the point? At least with the pieces left to pick up after King, Yormark and co. has left us this trainwreck til 2019?

[Net Sentence]

How bad of a coach was Lionel?

Bogs and Joe are lighting up 3s since he was fired.

[Dirk]

winner winner chicken dinner.

unreal performance.

18 threes

7 for bogs in a career high

Joe 27/11/6

hopefully we can rid this into the break and string some more together. CmCC coming back can only help

we scored 30 points in 3 of 4 quarters

What are your impression on Rondo, Cousins... star war numbers... only to be destroyed by the Nets.

Really hard to judge those guys for me. Even if I try not to be biased, it's really hard totake Rondo's numbers seriously. They should be a much better team given their numbers... but they aren't at all.... talk about "empty stats".

Every team that plays them gains confidence on offense.

Hopefully the Nets can pick up the necessary wins to avoid being bottom 5.

[Prokorov]

winner winner chicken dinner.

unreal performance.

18 threes

7 for bogs in a career high

Joe 27/11/6

hopefully we can rid this into the break and string some more together. CmCC coming back can only help

we scored 30 points in 3 of 4 quarters

What are your impression on Rondo, Cousins... star war numbers... only to be destroyed by the Nets.

Really hard to judge those guys for me. Even if I try not to be biased, it's really hard totake Rondo's numbers seriously. They should be a much better team given their numbers... but they aren't at all.... talk about "empty stats".

Every team that plays them gains confidence on offense.

Hopefully the Nets can pick up the necessary wins to avoid being bottom 5.

i think they have 2 excellent players and really a bunch of turd after that. they are like the nets if the nets had another player like lopez at G. the rest of their team is net-like starters and bench. WCS is like their RHJ. their bench is like ours. mclemore and there wings are all trash.

I think rondo and cousins are good for eachother. rondo isnt scared to put cousins inline. he pushes him. they are both competitive. they are both kind of brats though too... so when things go south they both pout. i liken both to like rasheed wallace, but them around talent and you have something great. surrounded them with trash and you see the worst of them.

the fact that cousins can sleep walk through the game and get a triple double is pretty crazy. as far as empty stats... rondo came out on fire, he had them going early. i dont think thats empty. cousins had back to back 50 point games the other night. they lost one of those in double overtime. i dont think that stuff is empty.
those 2 guys keep them in games. they are also 1-8 without cousins and 20-20 with him. rondo and cousins both have very high RAPMs. i think the impact is there.

i do think there numbers are inflated though. their usage is higher then it should be. similar to thad. ideally with more scoring options they shoot less and are more efficient.

when gay is out like last night, or cousins is out, they basically become us. which, isnt a good thing.

bad situation. coach who doesnt care about defense, competitive guys on a team without enough talent ot win, and guys who will pout if things go south.

weve seen rondo with talent. he can run a team and even carry them at times in the postseason. dude is great in big games. thats not empty stats to me. guy brings it.

cousins we havent seen in that scenario, but to me he is alot like wallace. wallace went to the pistons and they ebcame championship calbur. he still had all his antics, but they were much more infrequent and the stuff he did well outweighed that. and he took it hard to the lakers.

id love to have rondo. and id take cousins any day of the week. he is still just scratching his potential. you give cousins a coach liek thibs and a decent team around him and you might see an MVP candidate. a center who can give you 30 points, is one of the leagues best rebounders, can dish 10 assists and can stroke 3s as well as being a solid defender.

[Prokorov]

How bad of a coach was Lionel?

Bogs and Joe are lighting up 3s since he was fired.

Lionel was somehow making them miss open threes for 3 months? i dont see how thats the case.

Bogs shot 42% from three in december. so he was starting to shoot it wellfrom three prior to hollins being fired in january

while joe is up from three and bogs had a great night from three other guys are down. its not team wide

im all for saying hollins was an issue, but to say he prevented guys from missing threes is kind of a crazy criticism

[Prokorov]

Missed the game but I boxscore watched. Feel like Brook always goes in vs Boogie.

I hate to make a snap judgement, but all the talk of this move and that move, if they can just clear Bogs from the books and part ways with all those other near minimum salary mediocre guys, we have damn close to two max.

Will never be a legit contender by any means, but to beat a dead horse, some combo of Conley plus either Horford and trade Thad for a good wing, or Conley and Horford and trade Brook for a really high level wing, or Conley and sign a guy like DeRozan and trade Thad for a really good 3 and D guy, then add some good depth with the MLE, etc., this team should be a very watchable 40 to 50 win team for a few years barring major injuries or a slew of short ones.

We're still not going to have a go to guy star that would ever guarantee us anything, not even a playoff spot, but a great coach, good GM, 2 big signings, a couple good small signings and some luck and at least we have a consistently watchable product, one that's fun to watch and you can finally emotionally attach yourself to, sum of the parts bigger then the pieces stuff and aside from contending with a true superstar such as Durant or Westbrook, isn't that the point? At least with the pieces left to pick up after King, Yormark and co. has left us this trainwreck til 2019?

This is where I am at. this is where i was at before the season started. its why i didnt want to bring back thad. its want i want to move thad for cap space and a pick or rookie.

get that cap space for 2 max guys. add 2 guys like you mentioned to brook. and sign some 2 way players to go around it. get a real coach in here and you basically have the hawks or raptors. which isn a good thing.

[Net Sentence]

winner winner chicken dinner.

unreal performance.

18 threes

7 for bogs in a career high

Joe 27/11/6

hopefully we can rid this into the break and string some more together. CmCC coming back can only help

we scored 30 points in 3 of 4 quarters

What are your impression on Rondo, Cousins... star war numbers... only to be destroyed by the Nets.

Really hard to judge those guys for me. Even if I try not to be biased, it's really hard totake Rondo's numbers seriously. They should be a much better team given their numbers... but they aren't at all.... talk about "empty stats".

Every team that plays them gains confidence on offense.

Hopefully the Nets can pick up the necessary wins to avoid being bottom 5.

Im not a fan of Cousins, I think he is the most overrated player in basketball. He has the highest usage rate in the NBA, 35.6% and his numbers dont suggest that he should be that high. He takes low % shots, pouts when things dont go his way and gives up on plays all the time. He is a shtty teammate and I dont see players wanting to play with him. He gets a free pass year after year for the Kings poor winning % but when is it going to fall on him? He is proof that +/- stats are meaningless since he always has great +/-, always plays big minutes yet never wins. He is on the same level of overrated that Kevin Love was in Minny.

Rondo on the other hand is a stud. People say he pads his stats. I say if it's not padding your scoring then pad away. I want my PG to look pass first, second and third. I value the fact that he gets extra possessions with his rebounding and steals. He also knows when to push the ball as evident by the Kings playing at the highest pace in the NBA. You want your PG to be the loudest voice on the floor and Rondo is just that. You see him communicating on both ends of the floor. He is a top notch competitor who doesnt back down from anyone. He is still a good defender even though the Kings suck on D. Here is what his guy shoots against him.

3pters: -2.1% vs Rondo (34.2% / 36.3%)
> 15 ft: -2.4% vs Rondo (35.9% / 38.3%)

As you can see, his perimeter D is great considering the Kings are the worst team in the NBA at defending 3s. The story changes as you get closer to the rim though but that has a lot to do with Cousins not being a good rim protector.

< 10 ft: +7.4%: vs Rondo (60.8% / 53.4%)
< 6 ft: +5.4% vs Rondo (65.1% / 59.7%)

Rondo's turnovers are high but when you have a 3:1 Assist to Turnover ratio it's not at all concerning. His 3pt shooting is much improved, 35.6%. His biggest issue is the FT shooting but even that isnt an issue since the NBA plans on doing something about the Hack-A strategy. Rondo didnt work in Dallas obviously but that season looks like an outlier. What he is doing this year is in line with what he has always done in his career. He is the modern day Jason Kidd and I want him to be the next Net PG.

[Net Sentence]

How bad of a coach was Lionel?

Bogs and Joe are lighting up 3s since he was fired.

Lionel was somehow making them miss open threes for 3 months? i dont see how thats the case.

Bogs shot 42% from three in december. so he was starting to shoot it wellfrom three prior to hollins being fired in january

while joe is up from three and bogs had a great night from three other guys are down. its not team wide

im all for saying hollins was an issue, but to say he prevented guys from missing threes is kind of a crazy criticism

He wasnt letting them shoot enough of them and couldnt draw up a play to get a 3 if his life depended on it.

[Net Sentence]

Missed the game but I boxscore watched. Feel like Brook always goes in vs Boogie.

I hate to make a snap judgement, but all the talk of this move and that move, if they can just clear Bogs from the books and part ways with all those other near minimum salary mediocre guys, we have damn close to two max.

Will never be a legit contender by any means, but to beat a dead horse, some combo of Conley plus either Horford and trade Thad for a good wing, or Conley and Horford and trade Brook for a really high level wing, or Conley and sign a guy like DeRozan and trade Thad for a really good 3 and D guy, then add some good depth with the MLE, etc., this team should be a very watchable 40 to 50 win team for a few years barring major injuries or a slew of short ones.

We're still not going to have a go to guy star that would ever guarantee us anything, not even a playoff spot, but a great coach, good GM, 2 big signings, a couple good small signings and some luck and at least we have a consistently watchable product, one that's fun to watch and you can finally emotionally attach yourself to, sum of the parts bigger then the pieces stuff and aside from contending with a true superstar such as Durant or Westbrook, isn't that the point? At least with the pieces left to pick up after King, Yormark and co. has left us this trainwreck til 2019?

This is where I am at. this is where i was at before the season started. its why i didnt want to bring back thad. its want i want to move thad for cap space and a pick or rookie.

get that cap space for 2 max guys. add 2 guys like you mentioned to brook. and sign some 2 way players to go around it. get a real coach in here and you basically have the hawks or raptors. which isn a good thing.

Wait........... You didnt want to bring back Thad?????? #Imshocked

[Prokorov]

Im not a fan of Cousins, I think he is the most overrated player in basketball. He has the highest usage rate in the NBA, 35.6% and his numbers dont suggest that he should be that high. He takes low % shots, pouts when things dont go his way and gives up on plays all the time. He is a shtty teammate and I dont see players wanting to play with him. He gets a free pass year after year for the Kings poor winning % but when is it going to fall on him? He is proof that +/- stats are meaningless since he always has great +/-, always plays big minutes yet never wins. He is on the same level of overrated that Kevin Love was in Minny.

I think you have a legit beef with his attitude and pouting when things go south. im not sure how you can say the numbers dont justify high usage. he is top 5 in scoring, top 5 in rebounding, and top 10 in PER...His usage also isnt by design, it is by neccssity. that team just doesnt have guys who can create shots outside of cousins and gay.

You can throw away RAPM if you want. despite its consistent accuracy. but what about wins and losses. The team is 1-8 without him and 20-20 with him. a .500 team in the west with him, and a nearly winless team without him. there are maybe 4 or 5 guys in the NBA who can win with a bad team... guys like lebron, curry, durant. not many. I dont think you can blame cousins for the kings not be a playoff team, when they have had such crap talent and blown so many draft picks during his tenure. he has basically played on teams similar to what we have now his entire career. and the few good players he has played with have either been often injured (gay, thornton, evans) or shipped out of town once they showed promise(thomas, patterson)

Cousins is a beast. he is just in a terrible situation. a carousel of coaches for a guy who more then anyone needs real structure, horrible ownership, and some of the worst rosters in the league since he entered the league.

the guy puts up 27/11 with a 24 PER and is at the top of every impact/plus-minus/on-off advanved stat. there are tons of legit criticisms regarding his charecter and attitude. but his play is legit. and his talent/skill level is top 10 if not higher

[Prokorov]

How bad of a coach was Lionel?

Bogs and Joe are lighting up 3s since he was fired.

Lionel was somehow making them miss open threes for 3 months? i dont see how thats the case.

Bogs shot 42% from three in december. so he was starting to shoot it wellfrom three prior to hollins being fired in january

while joe is up from three and bogs had a great night from three other guys are down. its not team wide

im all for saying hollins was an issue, but to say he prevented guys from missing threes is kind of a crazy criticism

He wasnt letting them shoot enough of them and couldnt draw up a play to get a 3 if his life depended on it.

this is statistically inaccurate as far as number of attempts.

and we got tons of open looks from 3

the idea that our abd shooting from 3 was on hollins is crazytalk

[MrDollarBills]

1) agree with Prok here, Cousins is an A Tier player and we can legit make a case that he is top 10. Stud, flat out. His attitude issues won't be a problem as he ages and also gets onto a team that have veteran leadership and stable coaching, you can't have a head coach openly discussing dumping your franchise player in a trade without any pushback. Sacto firing Mike Malone was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.

2) Lionel Hollins is many things, but the Nets were getting wide open looks from three all season long and were firing up bricks. Bojan has been erratic month to month, and Joe was putrid for the 1st 2 months of the season from three. Ellington has been atrocious. The inability of these 3 to knock down their shots early on in the season isn't Lionel's fault and it's main reason as to why this team's record is so bad. If we got good shooting from them in most of these games we'd have a lot more wins right now because we had a long stretch where we were losing close games with the three of these guys shooting sub 30% from deep.