Should the Nets retire Vince Carter's number?

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

I voted No. In my opinion, he didn't play with the team long enough.

He played like one less year than Kidd did here

Jason Kidd was an absolute Nets icon as was Julius Eving before him. Both led the team to historic seasons. Other less stellar players with retired numbers played longer and thus got up to the rafters that way. Drazen Petrovic was honored because of his untimely death as was - unofficially for a while - Wendell Ladner. With Carter, the notability isn't quite there, the longevity is not up to par ...and... to the best of my knowledge, he's still alive.

[Prokorov]

VC was great here, but i dont think he played here long enough. i knwo he is up there for nets all time, but i think to get your number retired toy need to either be a lifer or lead the team towards a championship.

to me buck williams is the ultimate net. i think carter needed a few more years to reach that level.

I really don't get this argument. Kidd didn't play here that long either though.

The man is statistically one of the best 3 players in the history of this franchise. It's a no brainer.

for me, kidd was right on the cusp as well... kind of like kidd did just enough to warrant a jersey retirement and carter didnt. but i dont think you can look at kidd and look at carter and say their tenures were super similar.

-Kidd played 6.5 seasons as a net
-we made the playoffs 6 of the 7 seasons he was on the team
-we made the nba finals twice
-we set the NBA franchise record for wins in kidds first year

-Carter players 4.5 seasons as a net.
-we made the playoffs 3 of the 5 seasons he was on the team
-we won 2 playoff series


Kidd was here longer (by 2 seasons), took us further (B2B finals), finished 2nd in MVP voting one year, and led us to a franchise record in wins.

Carter was fantastic for us. especially the second half of the season the year we traded for him, that stretch of 30-50 point games was insange. he was like a 25/5/5 type guy his entire tenure and had some great highlits.

but i think he need to be here another year or two. or needed to have led the team to more success.

[Prokorov]

for me the criteria is soemthing like you have to either:

A) be a drafted net who spends most of his career with the team and does special things and is the heart of the team and one of if not the most iconic players the team has had (i.e. Dr.J and buck williams)

B) play at least 6-8 season with the team after being aquired, and setting team records coupled with the team going to or winning titles(kidd, super john)

C) some special situation (petrovic)

Carer doesnt fall into A or C and falls just short of B

[Dirk]

No.

I think teams should only retire numbers of legendary players for their franchise.

I know this isn't exactly the norm, and you can probably have a good argument for him to have the number retired(you'll be able to find examples around the league to support it), but I really think retiring a number should happen only in very unique situations and not just to everyone who has a nice run with a franchise. So by that, I don't think Carter should have his number retired with the Nets. Plus, as mentioned above, he'll always end up being remembered for being a Raptor.

Kidd is no brainer. Two final appearances... and an amazing highlight reel in the early 2000s. He'll also have his number retired with the Mavs and I also am not sure if that's the right thing --- I don't think it is --- but the Mavs have retired numbers of players who are less deserving than Kidd... or Carter for the Nets.

Legendary? The Nets????

I knew after posting it, that it sounded badly because there are really only a few legendary players and it'd be hard to have a number retired. But well, I am closer to thinking that it should be that difficult to have a number retired ... than to say that Vince Carter was good enough to have his number retired, especially when he'll always be remembered for his dunks with Toronto.

[Prokorov]

No.

I think teams should only retire numbers of legendary players for their franchise.

I know this isn't exactly the norm, and you can probably have a good argument for him to have the number retired(you'll be able to find examples around the league to support it), but I really think retiring a number should happen only in very unique situations and not just to everyone who has a nice run with a franchise. So by that, I don't think Carter should have his number retired with the Nets. Plus, as mentioned above, he'll always end up being remembered for being a Raptor.

Kidd is no brainer. Two final appearances... and an amazing highlight reel in the early 2000s. He'll also have his number retired with the Mavs and I also am not sure if that's the right thing --- I don't think it is --- but the Mavs have retired numbers of players who are less deserving than Kidd... or Carter for the Nets.

Legendary? The Nets????

I knew after posting it, that it sounded badly because there are really only a few legendary players and it'd be hard to have a number retired. But well, I am closer to thinking that it should be that difficult to have a number retired ... than to say that Vince Carter was good enough to have his number retired, especially when he'll always be remembered for his dunks with Toronto.

i agree... it SHOULD be that difficult to have your number retired. you should be legendary. like Dr. J was or like Buck was or like kidd was. Carter was a great net, but i wouldnt call him a nets legend

[MrDollarBills]

VC was great here, but i dont think he played here long enough. i knwo he is up there for nets all time, but i think to get your number retired toy need to either be a lifer or lead the team towards a championship.

to me buck williams is the ultimate net. i think carter needed a few more years to reach that level.

I really don't get this argument. Kidd didn't play here that long either though.

The man is statistically one of the best 3 players in the history of this franchise. It's a no brainer.

for me, kidd was right on the cusp as well... kind of like kidd did just enough to warrant a jersey retirement and carter didnt. but i dont think you can look at kidd and look at carter and say their tenures were super similar.

-Kidd played 6.5 seasons as a net
-we made the playoffs 6 of the 7 seasons he was on the team
-we made the nba finals twice
-we set the NBA franchise record for wins in kidds first year

-Carter players 4.5 seasons as a net.
-we made the playoffs 3 of the 5 seasons he was on the team
-we won 2 playoff series


Kidd was here longer (by 2 seasons), took us further (B2B finals), finished 2nd in MVP voting one year, and led us to a franchise record in wins.

Carter was fantastic for us. especially the second half of the season the year we traded for him, that stretch of 30-50 point games was insange. he was like a 25/5/5 type guy his entire tenure and had some great highlits.

but i think he need to be here another year or two. or needed to have led the team to more success.

I also consider the circumstances as well. Carter couldn't lead the team to more because the team was headed towards a rebuild. I cut him some slack on that. That year when he got traded here and he along with Kidd carried a PUTRID roster to an incredible 2nd half of the season run was nothing shot of mindblowing. He was torching people left and right.

I think being one of the best players in the franchise's history, with the statistical data to back it up warrants a number retirement. After seeing the garbage we've seen over the last few years, it makes me appreciate Carter's skills, his efforts and his class act behavior. With a franchise that is so devoid of great players and good moments, he should be honored for his time here. Plus, he is also arguably one of the top 100 players of all time. If he goes into the HoF as a Raptor, so be it, Kidd will go in as a Mav.

[Prokorov]

I also consider the circumstances as well. Carter couldn't lead the team to more because the team was headed towards a rebuild. I cut him some slack on that. That year when he got traded here and he along with Kidd carried a PUTRID roster to an incredible 2nd half of the season run was nothing shot of mindblowing. He was torching people left and right.

That is all extremely accurate. And I said some of that myself. lets back up a bit though. We are talking about jersey retirement. its kind of like the hall of fame... if your not inducted, it doesnt mean you weren't necesarily a great player, it just means you werent quite great enough, you werent lucky enough(to play on great teams) or didnt do it long enough.

I think carter falls into the last two... not lucky enough, not long enough. he was certainly great enough, but only 4.5 years and not enough team success for me to retire his number. again, thats not a knock on vince, and it doesnt make the stuff you said untrue. i also wouldnt call it a sham if he got his number retired, i think he is on the fence, i just lean to the he shouldnt be in due to lack of leongevity and team success.

I think being one of the best players in the franchise's history, with the statistical data to back it up warrants a number retirement. After seeing the garbage we've seen over the last few years, it makes me appreciate Carter's skills, his efforts and his class act behavior. With a franchise that is so devoid of great players and good moments, he should be honored for his time here. Plus, he is also arguably one of the top 100 players of all time. If he goes into the HoF as a Raptor, so be it, Kidd will go in as a Mav.

I dont think the teams lack of good players over its history is a reason to change the guidelines for what the standard is to retire your number. he certainly has the numbers. but as you said, we dont have a rich history, so its not like he is passing guys like pierce or kobe are on the celtics/lakers all time list.

for Example. you know who Vince carter surpassed to become the nets second all time leading scorer?

Richard Jefferson.

if he was here longer a bit longer, he suprasses buck williams. to me that extra 1.5 years would give him the nod. unfortunetly we decided to dump him for courntey lee

but i have no issue with his play, his play is among the best the franchise has seen. for me, its not enough. i need either more longevity or more team success to go along with it. to me < 5 years isnt enough. he is right on the cusp, but my vote would be no for the reasons above

[Lamak]

for me the criteria is soemthing like you have to either:

A) be a drafted net who spends most of his career with the team and does special things and is the heart of the team and one of if not the most iconic players the team has had (i.e. Dr.J and buck williams)

B) play at least 6-8 season with the team after being aquired, and setting team records coupled with the team going to or winning titles(kidd, super john)

C) some special situation (petrovic)

Carer doesnt fall into A or C and falls just short of B

I think these are pretty good standards

[kevinhopatcong]

I think he earned it, was great for us


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[Keith Van Horn]

If you polled Nets fans, how many would say Carter was their favorite Net of all time? Or at least a top 3 Net of all time? I think if you also look at it this way, Carter would deserve to be retired.