GT - Knicks @ Nets, 7:30 start

[Rich Rane]

Insufficient reasoning, but Sean Marks is tonight's MVP.

And I also thought the Knicks were supposed to win this time because they had Melo back and coming off 10-day rest.

Both teams suck, but it's still a bit of an uplift getting a W over the Knicks.

[Antti22]

As bad as this season is, it still feels nice to get a win over the Knicks, just to screw with them.

[MrDollarBills]

Even though we won, I'm pretty disappointed looking at the minutes distribution. Brown and C-Mac under 10 mins of action. Willie Reed DNP.

This is not development. Markel was getting 20-24 minutes of action over the last three games and was productive. Its hard to have development when your interim coach has nothing invested in the future of this team.

if you wanna feature Bojan more to up his value, fine. But Ellington?? no.

[Prokorov]

The hire of Marks is a phenomenal start to a new journey. However, he's only one person. The same players that have been underachieving and striving for mediocre are still in tact. Marks isn't going to change their effort in 48 hours.

On a positive side- Marks can see first hand the players who simply are in place to earn a check and can commence in his efforts to get rid of the dead weight at the conclusion of the season.

Oh yeah, beat the Knix.

marks wasnt brought in to save the season... this season was always looked at as a throw away season. and the team marks build next year will have at most 5 or 6 players from this roster. and (hopefully) our 2 best players next year arent on the current roster

[Prokorov]

Yes Ian Eagle is amazing... It's been such a blessing having him stick with us for so long. I'm sure he has his own highlight commenting reel on YouTube lol.

But great game so far. Brook's got that fire tonight. Everyone seems to be playing inspired ball.


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[Prokorov]

Even though we won, I'm pretty disappointed looking at the minutes distribution. Brown and C-Mac under 10 mins of action. Willie Reed DNP.

This is not development. Markel was getting 20-24 minutes of action over the last three games and was productive. Its hard to have development when your interim coach has nothing invested in the future of this team.

if you wanna feature Bojan more to up his value, fine. But Ellington?? no.

Agree on Brown.

To me reed probably isnt an nba player so im fine with thomas robinson getting those minutes as he *might* be worth keeping around. reed is like a 3rd string big. nice to have but he isnt a guy you hope has to play.

With Cmac, i think they are doing well breaking him in little by little. he is more raw then i thought. i know this is getting like a broken record, but he either has no clue how to set a screen or is simply scared to (knee?). like he doesnt even make contract on any of his screens. he also needs to show more then catch and shoot jumpers. its basically all he is looking to get right now. which is fine.

id like to see a bit more energy from him, and him try and do more offensively. but my guess is he needs to get bigger and stronger to do the things we saw at syracuse at this level

[jbeachboy]

does brown, bojan, trob have future here with nets, willie reed too?

[MrDollarBills]

Even though we won, I'm pretty disappointed looking at the minutes distribution. Brown and C-Mac under 10 mins of action. Willie Reed DNP.

This is not development. Markel was getting 20-24 minutes of action over the last three games and was productive. Its hard to have development when your interim coach has nothing invested in the future of this team.

if you wanna feature Bojan more to up his value, fine. But Ellington?? no.

Agree on Brown.

To me reed probably isnt an nba player so im fine with thomas robinson getting those minutes as he *might* be worth keeping around. reed is like a 3rd string big. nice to have but he isnt a guy you hope has to play.

With Cmac, i think they are doing well breaking him in little by little. he is more raw then i thought. i know this is getting like a broken record, but he either has no clue how to set a screen or is simply scared to (knee?). like he doesnt even make contract on any of his screens. he also needs to show more then catch and shoot jumpers. its basically all he is looking to get right now. which is fine.

id like to see a bit more energy from him, and him try and do more offensively. but my guess is he needs to get bigger and stronger to do the things we saw at syracuse at this level

Can you really say that Reed should just be dismissed based off of what you've seen? He hasn't been given a chance because they kept force feeding Bargnani minutes. I'd like to see what the guy has before just letting him waltz away. Thomas Robinson is a high effort player, but he's also very low IQ. From what I did see from Reed I saw good footwork and finish around the rim and high effort defensively. Guys need to be given an opportunity, this isn't a contending team so there's really no excuse to not get a decent amount of tape on ALL of these young players (including Karasev) over the next two months before deciding who is or isn't good.

Regarding C-Mac, I think the contact issues are psychological because of the knee. No need to rush to judgement yet, the guy needs a full year to really be back to normal. I just want him to get used to the speed and physicality of the NBA first.

[Prokorov]

Can you really say that Reed should just be dismissed based off of what you've seen? He hasn't been given a chance because they kept force feeding Bargnani minutes.

In my opinion, yes. and i dont think he wasnt given a chance because of bargs. i think he wasnt given a chance because he is a borderline nba player, who probably only has a job because he is close to 7 foot and is a good kid. i think eh can have a career as a 3rd string center. get spot minutes when injuries hit a team. outside of that i dont see much. id rather he player over bargs, but wouldnt give him time over trob.

I'd like to see what the guy has before just letting him waltz away. Thomas Robinson is a high effort player, but he's also very low IQ. From what I did see from Reed I saw good footwork and finish around the rim and high effort defensively. Guys need to be given an opportunity, this isn't a contending team so there's really no excuse to not get a decent amount of tape on ALL of these young players (including Karasev) over the next two months before deciding who is or isn't good.

im all for playing young guys, but ones who are likely to stick in the NBA. i see reed like i saw boatright and those other undrafted summer league guys. not nba players. Reed is a guy they gto a good luck at a couple years in summer league, see in practice every day, have seen in games. he's been under 2 coaches now. if someone thought he could play, he'd get an opportunity.

Regarding C-Mac, I think the contact issues are psychological because of the knee. No need to rush to judgement yet, the guy needs a full year to really be back to normal. I just want him to get used to the speed and physicality of the NBA first.

yeah, im hoping thats what it is, but there isnt much tape of him setting real screens at SU either.

[Paradise]

Even though we won, I'm pretty disappointed looking at the minutes distribution. Brown and C-Mac under 10 mins of action. Willie Reed DNP.

This is not development. Markel was getting 20-24 minutes of action over the last three games and was productive. Its hard to have development when your interim coach has nothing invested in the future of this team.

if you wanna feature Bojan more to up his value, fine. But Ellington?? no.

Agree on Brown.

To me reed probably isnt an nba player so im fine with thomas robinson getting those minutes as he *might* be worth keeping around. reed is like a 3rd string big. nice to have but he isnt a guy you hope has to play.

With Cmac, i think they are doing well breaking him in little by little. he is more raw then i thought. i know this is getting like a broken record, but he either has no clue how to set a screen or is simply scared to (knee?). like he doesnt even make contract on any of his screens. he also needs to show more then catch and shoot jumpers. its basically all he is looking to get right now. which is fine.

id like to see a bit more energy from him, and him try and do more offensively. but my guess is he needs to get bigger and stronger to do the things we saw at syracuse at this level

I think the soft screens with Chris is due to him not wanting to get called for any illegal screens and hurting his PT. He doesn't seem completely settled in to 5 on 5 basketball just yet. He's almost learning organized basketball all over again.

[shakendfries]

Even though we won, I'm pretty disappointed looking at the minutes distribution. Brown and C-Mac under 10 mins of action. Willie Reed DNP.

This is not development. Markel was getting 20-24 minutes of action over the last three games and was productive. Its hard to have development when your interim coach has nothing invested in the future of this team.

if you wanna feature Bojan more to up his value, fine. But Ellington?? no.

Agree on Brown.

To me reed probably isnt an nba player so im fine with thomas robinson getting those minutes as he *might* be worth keeping around. reed is like a 3rd string big. nice to have but he isnt a guy you hope has to play.

With Cmac, i think they are doing well breaking him in little by little. he is more raw then i thought. i know this is getting like a broken record, but he either has no clue how to set a screen or is simply scared to (knee?). like he doesnt even make contract on any of his screens. he also needs to show more then catch and shoot jumpers. its basically all he is looking to get right now. which is fine.

id like to see a bit more energy from him, and him try and do more offensively. but my guess is he needs to get bigger and stronger to do the things we saw at syracuse at this level

I think the soft screens with Chris is due to him not wanting to get called for any illegal screens and hurting his PT. He doesn't seem completely settled in to 5 on 5 basketball just yet. He's almost learning organized basketball all over again.

+he looks rail thin out there, in a way that makes me wonder whether he's really a SF in the NBA. He'd get bodied by the likes of players like Thad, Tobias Harris, Draymond Green, Aldridge, Jabari Parker, etc. There's nothing wrong with lanky/tall SFs - their height gives them a nice advantage if they have a good shooting stroke (which has worked out pretty well for Durant). But this kid could use a few pounds no doubt.

[MrDollarBills]

Can you really say that Reed should just be dismissed based off of what you've seen? He hasn't been given a chance because they kept force feeding Bargnani minutes.

In my opinion, yes. and i dont think he wasnt given a chance because of bargs. i think he wasnt given a chance because he is a borderline nba player, who probably only has a job because he is close to 7 foot and is a good kid. i think eh can have a career as a 3rd string center. get spot minutes when injuries hit a team. outside of that i dont see much. id rather he player over bargs, but wouldnt give him time over trob.

I'd like to see what the guy has before just letting him waltz away. Thomas Robinson is a high effort player, but he's also very low IQ. From what I did see from Reed I saw good footwork and finish around the rim and high effort defensively. Guys need to be given an opportunity, this isn't a contending team so there's really no excuse to not get a decent amount of tape on ALL of these young players (including Karasev) over the next two months before deciding who is or isn't good.

im all for playing young guys, but ones who are likely to stick in the NBA. i see reed like i saw boatright and those other undrafted summer league guys. not nba players. Reed is a guy they gto a good luck at a couple years in summer league, see in practice every day, have seen in games. he's been under 2 coaches now. if someone thought he could play, he'd get an opportunity.

Well, he was getting some time under Hollins and he was pretty decent. Once Brown took over he got hammered to the bench. 8 DNPs-CDs on a team that is in the bottom of the league and needs to develop players since we have no draft picks is pure idiocy. The guy posted a 16.5 PER, 58% TS thru 26 appearances, he wasn't trash at all. This is really inexplicable. I'm not saying 36 mins a night, I'm saying put the guy out there and get some film on him.

And do you really trust the Nets' coaching staff with their assessments? These are the same guys that didn't realize that Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was a positive impact player on the floor and had to be forced by the higher ups to play him. It took for a new GM to come in for Bargnani's worthless ass to be sent packing. Markel Brown strings together three solid performances and looked to be turning a corner on the offensive end and he gets glued to the bench last game. I guess I'll have to be patient until Marks can get his people installed so development becomes a priority over coaches with zero commitment to the franchise going forward nailing guys to the pine.

[Prokorov]

Even though we won, I'm pretty disappointed looking at the minutes distribution. Brown and C-Mac under 10 mins of action. Willie Reed DNP.

This is not development. Markel was getting 20-24 minutes of action over the last three games and was productive. Its hard to have development when your interim coach has nothing invested in the future of this team.

if you wanna feature Bojan more to up his value, fine. But Ellington?? no.

Agree on Brown.

To me reed probably isnt an nba player so im fine with thomas robinson getting those minutes as he *might* be worth keeping around. reed is like a 3rd string big. nice to have but he isnt a guy you hope has to play.

With Cmac, i think they are doing well breaking him in little by little. he is more raw then i thought. i know this is get
ting like a broken record, but he either has no clue how to set a screen or is simply scared to (knee?). like he doesnt even make contract on any of his screens. he also needs to show more then catch and shoot jumpers. its basically all he is looking to get right now. which is fine.

id like to see a bit more energy from him, and him try and do more offensively. but my guess is he needs to get bigger and stronger to do the things we saw at syracuse at this level

I think the soft screens with Chris is due to him not wanting to get called for any illegal screens and hurting his PT. He doesn't seem completely settled in to 5 on 5 basketball just yet. He's almost learning organized basketball all over again.

i dont know... that seems like a stetch to me... i mean if anything your more likely to get called for an illegal screen doing what he does since he is always moving and never sets himself. i tend to think more of the MDB way of thinking... he is tentative with contact because of the injury.

not setting screens or setting bad screens because you are worried about making a mistake seems odd to me, as id think you'd be mroe likely to get yanked setting screens like a girl then you would for getting the occasional illegal screen

[Prokorov]

Can you really say that Reed should just be dismissed based off of what you've seen? He hasn't been given a chance because they kept force feeding Bargnani minutes.

In my opinion, yes. and i dont think he wasnt given a chance because of bargs. i think he wasnt given a chance because he is a borderline nba player, who probably only has a job because he is close to 7 foot and is a good kid. i think eh can have a career as a 3rd string center. get spot minutes when injuries hit a team. outside of that i dont see much. id rather he player over bargs, but wouldnt give him time over trob.

I'd like to see what the guy has before just letting him waltz away. Thomas Robinson is a high effort player, but he's also very low IQ. From what I did see from Reed I saw good footwork and finish around the rim and high effort defensively. Guys need to be given an opportunity, this isn't a contending team so there's really no excuse to not get a decent amount of tape on ALL of these young players (including Karasev) over the next two months before deciding who is or isn't good.

im all for playing young guys, but ones who are likely to stick in the NBA. i see reed like i saw boatright and those other undrafted summer league guys. not nba players. Reed is a guy they gto a good luck at a couple years in summer league, see in practice every day, have seen in games. he's been under 2 coaches now. if someone thought he could play, he'd get an opportunity.

Well, he was getting some time under Hollins and he was pretty decent. Once Brown took over he got hammered to the bench. 8 DNPs-CDs on a team that is in the bottom of the league and needs to develop players since we have no draft picks is pure idiocy. The guy posted a 16.5 PER, 58% TS thru 26 appearances, he wasn't trash at all. This is really inexplicable. I'm not saying 36 mins a night, I'm saying put the guy out there and get some film on him.

And do you really trust the Nets' coaching staff with their assessments? These are the same guys that didn't realize that Rondae Hollis-Jefferson was a positive impact player on the floor and had to be forced by the higher ups to play him. It took for a new GM to come in for Bargnani's worthless ass to be sent packing. Markel Brown strings together three solid performances and looked to be turning a corner on the offensive end and he gets glued to the bench last game. I guess I'll have to be patient until Marks can get his people installed so development becomes a priority over coaches with zero commitment to the franchise going forward nailing guys to the pine.

i just dont think reed is an nba player... so if they dont see enough in practice to think he is worth playing over robinson, who isnt good but i do think belongs in the league, im ok with that. if he isnt playing, to me, its because they have seen enough and dont think he belongs in the league.

as far as RHJ, i always thought that was overblown.

he played 24 minutes on opening night.

he was a starter after SIX career games.

i dont think its some horrible injustice that a rookie taken in the 20's who was behind a 2nd year euro who finished strong last season (bogs 14 ppg on 52/48/83 and 64 TS% to close out the last month of the season) had to wait 2 weeks before starting. especially when RHJ wa splaying 20 minutes off the bench anyhow.

its not Like RHJ was glued to the bench for 20 games. sure maybe holliins was stubborn with the younger players, but lets not blow out of proportion any issues with RHJ not starting. it was less then 2 weeks

[MrDollarBills]

Tonight:

Reed: 5:51 mins, 4pts, 2rebs, 1blk, +9 2-2FG

Robinson: 10:11 mins, 0pts, 6rebs, 1blk, -6 0-2FG

hm...not sure how you can say one is an nba player and the other isn't. Both need to be properly evaluated. You ignored Reed's PER and TS% and keep saying that he's not an NBA player. Why?

Regarding RHJ, no its not overblown. He had to be forced to play him more and start him. That in itself is embarrassing that he couldn't take one look at the metrics or just seeing how hard that kid played and had to have an exec make that call before he did. you give this coaching staff (and thank god they'll all be purged) way too much credit, that's why I'm suspect of Tony Brown and why he has been taking a dump on Willie Reed.

[Ror1997]

I agree on reed. When he plays, he plays efficiently and he doesn't try to do too much. He knows where to be and what to do. Ellington and Sloan starting really makes my head hurt. Ideally the Nets can sign a PG to a 10 day contact. But if that player isn't Wroten (who i wouldn't even want) then I doubt they would even get enough playing time to earn their keep. Sometimes I feel like Tony Brown thinks he's fighting for the job and not just a play holder and that's why he wants to play Veterans.