Sean Marks accepts GM Job

[Paradise]

Marks said he is working on a list of coaches and will present the list ownership to inform them on his choices. He repeatedly stated he wants to be in sync with ownership on all decisions. A puppet is someone that's doing everything that ownership tells him to do. He wouldn't accept the job unless he was given full freedom to implement his culture and his vision. He stated that multiple times.

This entire discussion starts and ends with us taking Marks over Colangelo. I'm sorry but It's totally childish to ridicule Sean Marks and paint this absolute agenda against the man this early because the "Kevin Durant of GMs" wasn't hired...despite all indications and reports that Marks had a much better pitch and strategy.

[3pt_chucker]

This is like Net Sentence hate for Teletovic on steroids.

Worrying about our record in relation to the Cekrics pic is so silly since its a lottery. We have seen how crazy the lotto has been the last few yrs. Lower/Higher % means little.

[Net Sentence]

You've got something personal against the guy dude

No, a puppet was the guy who was the previous GM. You have no evidence that says that he's anything like that. Give the guy a chance at least. If its two summers from now and the team is still in this bad position by all means you can kill him. But it hasn't even been a month on the job and you're killing him for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball.

What he did today was a puppet move. Why are we cutting Joe at all? Are we blocking someone on the roster I dont know about? RHJ isnt filling Joe's minutes. Bogs is already playing a role. Did we do it for Markel? If so that's dumb because that's just driving up his price tag in FA. We did it to save a billionaire what equates to a days pay for us if not less. Marks gets a nice pat on the head for what he did today because of the financial ramifications. Basketball wise it will kill any chance we have of winning another game. Joe had the biggest point differential on the team. It's not going to be next man up, it's going to be 2x worse then when Jack went down.

Marks is going to be Billy King without the experience. Did you read the text Paradise put up? He gets to make the list for the ownership group to pick from. He isnt calling shots.

What owner doesn't sign off on hiring a head coach? What the hell is wrong with you????

johnson was one of the team's worst players for the first 2 months of the season. since then he's been better...but we've still been losing.

Honestly, you're just making up **** to be honest, you're being seriously irrational. Saving Prokhorov money?

Johnson has the largest point differential on the team.

[Net Sentence]

Wins and Losses don't matter at this point . Celtics are getting a top pick regardless and my end up trading Simmons for a win now player anyway. I've already accepted that we're giving the Celtics a good pick but I don't see how Marks should be blamed for that.

Markel has been scoring well lately, and he's a better defender than JJ. If this is a lost season, we should atleast make the best out of it and give Bojan and Markel a chance to earn their keep.

Marks is doing exactly what he said he would do. He's evaluating the talent he already has. He's trying to see who's worth keeping and who he should dump. He's starting to build a team.

That's where you are wrong. Wins are the only thing that matter. We are only 2.5 games out of the 5th worst spot which has only a 8.8% chance at the #1 pick. A loss tonight puts us in the 3rd worst spot which has a 15.6% chance of getting the #1 pick. Boston fans are rejoicing about Johnson's buyout.

Who gives a ****? Boston fans are a bunch of pathetic racist clowns that just want the #1 pick because they know they can't get another A tier talent on their team unless its via the draft. No one wants to play in their racist city.

They can rejoice but at days end, Johnson wasn't exactly killing opponents or carrying this team to wins. the two guys who show up pretty much every night are still on this team. come on

I give a sht. Without the #1 pick they arent getting any A-tier talent. We cut our 2nd best player for no other reason then to save the team money. We werent over the luxury tax.

[Net Sentence]

Marks said he is working on a list of coaches and will present the list ownership to inform them on his choices. He repeatedly stated he wants to be in sync with ownership on all decisions. A puppet is someone that's doing everything that ownership tells him to do. He wouldn't accept the job unless he was given full freedom to implement his culture and his vision. He stated that multiple times.

This entire discussion starts and ends with us taking Marks over Colangelo. I'm sorry but It's totally childish to ridicule Sean Marks and paint this absolute agenda against the man this early because the "Kevin Durant of GMs" wasn't hired...despite all indications and reports that Marks had a much better pitch and strategy.

He just released the 2nd best player on the team. How does that make us better? I posted above that it's might double the Celtics odds at getting the #1 pick. Apparently I am the only one who cares about that. If we were going skydiving and I gave you a choice between a parachute that opens 15% of the time and one that opens 8% of the the time, which one would you choose?

All we can do is control the controllables at this point. The priority is to NOT give the Celtics the #1 pick. I dont care if they get Ingram or Bender, neither is a franchise level player. If King bought out Johnson the fan base would be up in arms. Johnson was shooting close to 50% on FG and 3pt over his last 25 games. If he wanted to play in the playoffs this year then maybe he shouldnt have used the first 3 months of the season to get into game shape. We dont own him anything since have been overpaying him for years. We arent blocking anyones development by keeping him.

- If you want Bogs to get more minutes then stop playing Ellington.
- RHJ isnt back yet and god knows when he will be.
- Markel is a restricted FA. Im glad he is playing well now but it's kind of dumb to play him now if we plan on keeping him since we are just driving the pricetag up on him.
- We cleared playing time for McCullough already when we bought out Bargs.

The only thing releasing Johnson accomplished was to save the owner money. To put that into proper perspective, lets do some math.

Proky is worth 18 billion. ($18,000,000,000)
The Nets are saving 3 million buying out Johnson ($3,000,000)

If you make $100,000 that is the equivalent of less than $17 in our dollars.

EDIT: Let me fix this since it's based on Net worth.

Let's assume you have

- a modest house ($300,000)
- 401k ($100,000)
- Savings/investments ($100,000)

This is a common profile for someone in NJ. Cutting Joe Johnson saves you less than $84 in your dollars.

[Paradise]

That's where you are wrong. Wins are the only thing that matter. We are only 2.5 games out of the 5th worst spot which has only a 8.8% chance at the #1 pick. A loss tonight puts us in the 3rd worst spot which has a 15.6% chance of getting the #1 pick. Boston fans are rejoicing about Johnson's buyout.

Who gives a ****? Boston fans are a bunch of pathetic racist clowns that just want the #1 pick because they know they can't get another A tier talent on their team unless its via the draft. No one wants to play in their racist city.

They can rejoice but at days end, Johnson wasn't exactly killing opponents or carrying this team to wins. the two guys who show up pretty much every night are still on this team. come on

I give a sht. Without the #1 pick they arent getting any A-tier talent. We cut our 2nd best player for no other reason then to save the team money. We werent over the luxury tax.

He wanted to chase a title. We owed him that respect.

You can't be serious to think losing Joe greatly impacts finishing as a 20 win team. What's the goddamn difference between winning 20 games to a possibility at 22 or 23? It's nothing to complain about. Damage is done.

[MrDollarBills]

Releasing Johnson wasn't a cost cutting move, if they wanted to do that they would have initiated buyout talks with him well before the season even started. The guy isn't in the team's future plans, he also wanted a chance to play for a playoff team.

The team won without Johnson last night. Who gives a damn anymore. The young guys need to play, Bojan needs to show that he's a capable NBA player. Lots of stuff to focus on other than Joe Johnson.

[Net Sentence]

Nope. That's actually where you're wrong.

They were going to get a high pick regardless.

There is a HUGE difference between getting Ben Simmons or getting the second pick.

Billy King gave us that pill and we've already swallowed it. Anything Marks is doing now is part of a bigger plan. This season is a waste and he doesn't care about it, but in his defense, why should he? There is nothing he can do this year. Joe wasn't going to lead us to 30 wins. He probably wouldn't have even helped us get to 25. Our schedule is pretty balanced when it comes to upcoming games against contenders and lotto teams, but there's only 4 games against teams we're better than (Philly, Lakers, and Suns who we play tonight).

He should care about it, we might have to play a Ben Simmons led Celtics team for the next 10-15 years.

This move is most likely a move to get more playing time to Brown and Bogs and to see if they're worth a roster spot.

Basically here is my point. Would you rather give the Celtics a top 5 lotto pick and accomplish nothing with the season? Or do you want to give the Celtics a high draft pick that they're going to get anyway and use that time to see what the younger guys can do? Because THE CELTICS PICKING #1 OR #5 HAS LITERALLY ZERO EFFECT ON THE BROOKLYN NETS ROSTER. You're asking Marks to worry about a draft pick he isn't getting and one he didn't trade away in the first place. You're ignoring the fact that he's doing his job and exactly what he said he would do.

M

Who care about who made the trade in the first place, it's all about the future. I would rather the Celtics not get a franchise player then to get two average players (Bogs/Markel) more minutes. Not giving the Celtics the #1 pick is all I care about. Our division has the least amount of talent in it, I would like to keep it that way.

You are being a JACKASS.

THE CELTICS WILL GET A LOTTERY PICK NO MATTER WHAT THIS SEASON

EVEN IF THE NETS FINISHED 5 OR 6TH WORST, IF THE LOTTERY BALLS BOUNCE A CERTAIN WAY BOSTON GETS SIMMONS

AT THIS POINT, IT DOES NOT **** ING MATTER!! WE NEED TO DEVELOP PLAYERS HERE AND WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW. THE NETS ARE ALREADY **** ED!!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF JOE JOHNSON IS HERE OR NOT

But you... for christ's sake. Stop acting like Marks **** ed your wife and your mother what the hell is wrong with you dude?? you're acting like a lunatic

And guess what? Jarrett Jack going down was the biggest LOSS. Not Joe Johnson!!! he wasn't carrying this team. He wasn't putting up 2013-14 production, he was pretty much useless outside of the last 6 weeks.

i'm not trying to start beef but you're seriously acting like a bitch right now.

Not trying to start beef? You are talking **** about my wife and mother. The Mods are going to deal with you.

[Ror1997]

Okay I think Net Sentence is just really dedicated to trolling. Nice work Net Sentence, you had me fooled for a while there.

[Ror1997]

There is a HUGE difference between getting Ben Simmons or getting the second pick.



He should care about it, we might have to play a Ben Simmons led Celtics team for the next 10-15 years.



Who care about who made the trade in the first place, it's all about the future. I would rather the Celtics not get a franchise player then to get two average players (Bogs/Markel) more minutes. Not giving the Celtics the #1 pick is all I care about. Our division has the least amount of talent in it, I would like to keep it that way.

You are being a JACKASS.

THE CELTICS WILL GET A LOTTERY PICK NO MATTER WHAT THIS SEASON

EVEN IF THE NETS FINISHED 5 OR 6TH WORST, IF THE LOTTERY BALLS BOUNCE A CERTAIN WAY BOSTON GETS SIMMONS

AT THIS POINT, IT DOES NOT **** ING MATTER!! WE NEED TO DEVELOP PLAYERS HERE AND WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW. THE NETS ARE ALREADY **** ED!!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF JOE JOHNSON IS HERE OR NOT

But you... for christ's sake. Stop acting like Marks **** ed your wife and your mother what the hell is wrong with you dude?? you're acting like a lunatic

And guess what? Jarrett Jack going down was the biggest LOSS. Not Joe Johnson!!! he wasn't carrying this team. He wasn't putting up 2013-14 production, he was pretty much useless outside of the last 6 weeks.

i'm not trying to start beef but you're seriously acting like a bitch right now.

Not trying to start beef? You are talking **** about my wife and mother. The Mods are going to deal with you.

I guess you've never heard the joke before, but He obviously isn't saying Marks banged your family. He's saying Marks must have wronged badly in order for you to treat him like this.

Thats what I was saying last night when you got all ofended just to fire back with a "nah marks banged your dad" comment but I guess we can leave your hypocrisy out of this.

[Ror1997]

There is a HUGE difference between getting Ben Simmons or getting the second pick.



He should care about it, we might have to play a Ben Simmons led Celtics team for the next 10-15 years.



Who care about who made the trade in the first place, it's all about the future. I would rather the Celtics not get a franchise player then to get two average players (Bogs/Markel) more minutes. Not giving the Celtics the #1 pick is all I care about. Our division has the least amount of talent in it, I would like to keep it that way.

You are being a JACKASS.

THE CELTICS WILL GET A LOTTERY PICK NO MATTER WHAT THIS SEASON

EVEN IF THE NETS FINISHED 5 OR 6TH WORST, IF THE LOTTERY BALLS BOUNCE A CERTAIN WAY BOSTON GETS SIMMONS

AT THIS POINT, IT DOES NOT **** ING MATTER!! WE NEED TO DEVELOP PLAYERS HERE AND WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW. THE NETS ARE ALREADY **** ED!!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF JOE JOHNSON IS HERE OR NOT

But you... for christ's sake. Stop acting like Marks **** ed your wife and your mother what the hell is wrong with you dude?? you're acting like a lunatic

And guess what? Jarrett Jack going down was the biggest LOSS. Not Joe Johnson!!! he wasn't carrying this team. He wasn't putting up 2013-14 production, he was pretty much useless outside of the last 6 weeks.

i'm not trying to start beef but you're seriously acting like a bitch right now.

Not trying to start beef? You are talking **** about my wife and mother. The Mods are going to deal with you.

I guess you've never heard the joke before, but He obviously isn't saying Marks banged your family. He's saying Marks must have wronged badly in order for you to treat him like this.

Thats what I was saying last night when you got all ofended just to fire back with a "nah marks banged your dad" comment but I guess we can leave your hypocrisy out of this.

[Net Sentence]

Who gives a ****? Boston fans are a bunch of pathetic racist clowns that just want the #1 pick because they know they can't get another A tier talent on their team unless its via the draft. No one wants to play in their racist city.

They can rejoice but at days end, Johnson wasn't exactly killing opponents or carrying this team to wins. the two guys who show up pretty much every night are still on this team. come on

I give a sht. Without the #1 pick they arent getting any A-tier talent. We cut our 2nd best player for no other reason then to save the team money. We werent over the luxury tax.

He wanted to chase a title. We owed him that respect.

You can't be serious to think losing Joe greatly impacts finishing as a 20 win team. What's the goddamn difference between winning 20 games to a possibility at 22 or 23? It's nothing to complain about. Damage is done.

What's the difference between 20 and 23 wins? It's a big difference. 2 games is all that separates us from the 5th worst record and the 3rd worst. That difference almost doubles the chances of the Celtics getting the #1 pick. The damage isnt done. It didnt even start yet. It was nice to beat the Suns last night but probability isnt on our side. The Nets schedule for the remainder of the season is one of the hardest in the NBA. We need all hands on deck. The only reason I even watch the games is because every win makes the Celtics less likely to get the #1 pick.

We dont owe Joe sht. He has been compensated handsomely by the Nets, we have over-payed him for years. If he wants to chase a title then maybe he should play better for the team who is paying him like he is a top 3 player in all of basketball. He chose $ over success a long time ago. As much as I like Joe, Im not going to feel bad for him because he wants it both ways.

[Net Sentence]

You are being a JACKASS.

THE CELTICS WILL GET A LOTTERY PICK NO MATTER WHAT THIS SEASON

EVEN IF THE NETS FINISHED 5 OR 6TH WORST, IF THE LOTTERY BALLS BOUNCE A CERTAIN WAY BOSTON GETS SIMMONS

AT THIS POINT, IT DOES NOT **** ING MATTER!! WE NEED TO DEVELOP PLAYERS HERE AND WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW. THE NETS ARE ALREADY **** ED!!!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF JOE JOHNSON IS HERE OR NOT

But you... for christ's sake. Stop acting like Marks **** ed your wife and your mother what the hell is wrong with you dude?? you're acting like a lunatic

And guess what? Jarrett Jack going down was the biggest LOSS. Not Joe Johnson!!! he wasn't carrying this team. He wasn't putting up 2013-14 production, he was pretty much useless outside of the last 6 weeks.

i'm not trying to start beef but you're seriously acting like a bitch right now.

Not trying to start beef? You are talking **** about my wife and mother. The Mods are going to deal with you.

I guess you've never heard the joke before, but He obviously isn't saying Marks banged your family. He's saying Marks must have wronged badly in order for you to treat him like this.

Thats what I was saying last night when you got all ofended just to fire back with a "nah marks banged your dad" comment but I guess we can leave your hypocrisy out of this.

I dont have time for internet tough guys. If you told me that joke in person, you would have less teeth afterwards.

I flagged you at first but the mods didnt do anything. 2 hours later I decided to respond and that's when the mods interjected.

[Ror1997]

I really don't care. (Maybe the mods didn't do anything about it because they understood the joke.....) You don't have a sense of humour and your logic is terrible. You are miserable because Colangelo didn't get hired and you ignore everything good about this team to focus on the bad. You want to be miserable. Like, you're not even a nets fan, you're just a dude who watches the team and talks about how much he hates them.

[Rich Rane]

Everyone needs to ease up. Everyone needs to stop on the personal attacks on Net Sentence. Net Sentence, your constant complaining (and might I add needless at the moment) isn't going to change anyone's minds on the matter. As I've stated before, you've said your piece, let it be done.

- Rich

[Paradise]

What's the difference between 20 and 23 wins? It's a big difference. 2 games is all that separates us from the 5th worst record and the 3rd worst. That difference almost doubles the chances of the Celtics getting the #1 pick. The damage isnt done. It didnt even start yet. It was nice to beat the Suns last night but probability isnt on our side. The Nets schedule for the remainder of the season is one of the hardest in the NBA. We need all hands on deck. The only reason I even watch the games is because every win makes the Celtics less likely to get the #1 pick.

You're watching for the wrong reason then. Like MDB said, it's a lottery pick. It doesn't matter about less likely. If it's Top 10. It can turn into the #1 or #2 pick quite easily.

Chasing wins to care about another team at the expense of developing Rondae, Markel, CMac is totally unnecessary and short sided. Let it be. That draft pick could turn into DeMarcus Cousins, Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Love in June. Then what? We avoided Simmons at the expense of the future of talent we have?

We dont owe Joe sht. He has been compensated handsomely by the Nets, we have over-payed him for years. If he wants to chase a title then maybe he should play better for the team who is paying him like he is a top 3 player in all of basketball. He chose $ over success a long time ago. As much as I like Joe, Im not going to feel bad for him because he wants it both ways.

"We" didn't do sh*t. Joe was given a max contract from ATLANTA. He came here and brought the ONLY positive memories in Brooklyn out of all of the "stars" we tried to flaunt off. Joe gave his heart and soul here despite the turmoil between Deron Williams, Avery Johnson, Jason Kidd, Lionel Hollins and the disastrous KG/Pierce trade.

Long ago has nothing to do with now. Without Joe, we don't even make it to the second round. We don't even win nearly 4-5 games per season off buzzer beaters alone which hurts our playoff chances considerably and we don't have a representative for the all-star game. Something that Diva Williams couldn't accomplish in four seasons. Joe deserves to be somewhere capable of winning a championship. He didn't ask to come here. He was TRADED and he put his all into this franchise when he easily could've asked out or given up along time ago.