Top 25 Players Pt.VI - Who's #12?

[NyCeEvO]

In fact, I think I'm going to add to the rules for the next round.

If you vote, you need to give at least 3 sentences explaining why you're voting for a particular player.

[NyCeEvO]

LMA wins this round. Draymond Green is the new nominee.

[DeRoma]

Can I just vote for Draymond Green? I think it's ridiculous he hasn't been voted in yet.

He was easily the best big in the league this year...I don't see the case for LMA, Love, Cousins, or Davis.

And he was definitely better than Klay Thompson or Paul George. Literally nobody felt that Klay Thompson was a top 2 player on the Warriors this year, it was Curry and Green, and then Thompson.

Green is the best defensive player in the league (or 2nd best), and he's one of the most useful offensive players around. Altogether, I would take him over anyone but a handful of guys.

Vote: Draymond Green

I agree, this list is ridiculous. I can compensate on Harden being too high but, not Cousins or Klay being even in the top 12. That why I stopped voting.

You stopped voting because the group didn't vote the same way you voted?

It's the "Nets board's top 25". One of the main reasons I started this a few years ago is because I wanted to hear the logic behind our personal rankings of players. While I think it's cool that the board has a record of our rankings as a group, I really wanted us to be discussing and arguing more about our picks. Not just casting a vote and not sharing.

If you feel players should be high, tell people why they're wrong and you're right. Give your reasons and try to convince others.

One of the reasons why this board has gotten so small is because we've largely stopped sharing opinions and being willing to listen to the viewpoints of others. I know a few people who left the board because they felt that there were a few people just dominating conversations, only making their voice heard without listening to others.

I don't do this every few months just to waste time. I want this board to be more of a community. I understand why you'd just stop if things aren't going the way you expected, but how do you expect things to get any better (if you believe your view is the best) if you don't share and make a case for it?

It's simple Drummond, Wall, LMA, Green, Lowry, Butler, Lillard, Horford, Kemba, Thomas are all a tier higher than Cousins or Klay.
I would even say Gasol and Griffin are better too but they get a pass since injury.

Cousins and Klay's tier is Deandre, Jackson, Whiteside, Hayward, Millsap, Favors, Middleton, Giannis, Brook, Conley, Love, Kyrie. There you can make an argument.

However, the fact that they are in the top 12 players in the NBA is absurd. You can always make an argument on Cousins because of his stats but he can't even win BUT Klay seriously??? Klay???? I'm sorry but I can't support the idea of that.

[shakendfries]

It's simple Drummond, Wall, LMA, Green, Lowry, Butler, Lillard, Horford, Kemba, Thomas are all a tier higher than Cousins or Klay.

What?

Klay is arguably the best SG in the league: he is top 3 on offense and is the best defender at his position

Cousins is a statistical force second only to Anthony Davis - and placing him second is highly debatable

I vehemently disagree with the statement above

[NyCeEvO]

I agree, this list is ridiculous. I can compensate on Harden being too high but, not Cousins or Klay being even in the top 12. That why I stopped voting.

You stopped voting because the group didn't vote the same way you voted?

It's the "Nets board's top 25". One of the main reasons I started this a few years ago is because I wanted to hear the logic behind our personal rankings of players. While I think it's cool that the board has a record of our rankings as a group, I really wanted us to be discussing and arguing more about our picks. Not just casting a vote and not sharing.

If you feel players should be high, tell people why they're wrong and you're right. Give your reasons and try to convince others.

One of the reasons why this board has gotten so small is because we've largely stopped sharing opinions and being willing to listen to the viewpoints of others. I know a few people who left the board because they felt that there were a few people just dominating conversations, only making their voice heard without listening to others.

I don't do this every few months just to waste time. I want this board to be more of a community. I understand why you'd just stop if things aren't going the way you expected, but how do you expect things to get any better (if you believe your view is the best) if you don't share and make a case for it?

It's simple Drummond, Wall, LMA, Green, Lowry, Butler, Lillard, Horford, Kemba, Thomas are all a tier higher than Cousins or Klay.
I would even say Gasol and Griffin are better too but they get a pass since injury.

Cousins and Klay's tier is Deandre, Jackson, Whiteside, Hayward, Millsap, Favors, Middleton, Giannis, Brook, Conley, Love, Kyrie. There you can make an argument.

However, the fact that they are in the top 12 players in the NBA is absurd. You can always make an argument on Cousins because of his stats but he can't even win BUT Klay seriously??? Klay???? I'm sorry but I can't support the idea of that.

That's the thing...when you see people voting for players you believe are too high on the list, you can feel free to call them out.

I don't think a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters will refuse to vote just because they see people supporting Donald Trump. Many (probably most) will still vote and will put forth their views on why their guy is the best and why everyone else isn't a good choice.

[vincecarter4pres]

Klay Thompson is a certified beast, you're really downplaying his game, impact and effectiveness imho, DeRoma.

[therealbig3]

Klay Thompson is awesome, but I think Green is clearly better, and it's not even a contrarian opinion, almost everybody had Green over Klay this year.

[shakendfries]

Klay Thompson is awesome, but I think Green is clearly better, and it's not even a contrarian opinion, almost everybody had Green over Klay this year.

Green has been more instrumental to the Warriors' success this season, because of his arguably DPOY season trademarked by his ability to switch and play excellent defense on anyone 1-5 - but Klay is arguably the best SG (top 3 offense at SG and arguably the best guard defender). Green's defense is phenomenal, but he doesn't produce on offense like Kawhi - Green is the ultimate auxiliary/ anchoring piece to the GSW

[DeRoma]

Klay Thompson is a certified beast, you're really downplaying his game, impact and effectiveness imho, DeRoma.

I don't think so. Don't get me wrong I think he is worthy of an all-star. I just think he is the ultimate role player just like the way Dwight was but not as impactful since he doesn't really excel on other facets of the game. I believe he benefits from how stack that team is. I mean don't get me wrong there are players out there who are more skilled than him that can't play with other stars. I just think he doesn't do enough to justify him to be a top 12 player. If you put him in a team with him being the best player in there I would guarantee you he would only get you about 20-25 wins. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying role players doesn't deserve the praise because I think Green is also a role player. However, he excels in so many ways other than scoring that he is much more worthy of putting him over him. However everytime I see him play even his offensive game lacks versatility. All he really does is spot up, off screen shots, and backdoor cuts. He has no one on one skill, no killer instinct with the ball, no pick n roll capabalities, average ballhandler. However he still deserves a top 25 in NBA just because he does his role near perfect. Since he is one of the best shooters in the game. Yet, even there he is a streak scorer. Not just this year because he rode the wave of being in one the best team in NBA history.

[DeRoma]

It's simple Drummond, Wall, LMA, Green, Lowry, Butler, Lillard, Horford, Kemba, Thomas are all a tier higher than Cousins or Klay.

What?

Klay is arguably the best SG in the league: he is top 3 on offense and is the best defender at his position

Cousins is a statistical force second only to Anthony Davis - and placing him second is highly debatable

I vehemently disagree with the statement above

Cousins also have 35.4 USG%..... Which is ridiculous. Cousins hasn't won anything in basketball yet, people believe he deserves a top 12???!?! At the end of the day its the game is about winning no matter what his stats is. He sitll can't win even with a good amount of talent surrounds him. If you think Cousins deserves a top 12 then you should believe Brook deserves a top 12. He is only a couple hair better than Brook but you can always make an argument that Brook is could be just as good or better on other facets of the game. As for Klay you look at my post from the top.

[NyCeEvO]

This is the kind of discussion I envisioned for this ranking when we started a few years back.

Thanks for complaining trb3 and DeRoma. You forced me to make a rule that at least gets conversations started.