Thaddeus Young Traded To Pacers For #20, Future 2nd Rounder

[CalamityX12]

I feel i could echo Prok's latest post.

I think we all knew or had to reserve a complete feedback/grade to the Thad move. Whatever we individually thought how it would play out, we all expected a replacement at the PF, whether it being servicable to all-star type player.

At this moment, we have no candidate to really blow our minds. Brook needs a strong PF that can aid in rebound and/or at least be capable of being a contributor on the offensive end.

Perhaps a trade is in the works or being scouted for. Not that much in FA that i can see.

[MrDollarBills]

This is why I was pissed off the other day because it wasn't a move that improved the team.

If Crabbe and Johnson are retained by their clubs we are **** ED. I'm 99% sure that portland matches that offer to Crabbe.

If those two players aren't coming here, this offseason will have been a disaster:

-NO WING IMPROVEMENT

-A MAJOR HOLE AT PF

-NO BACK UP PG

At this point you have to question why an offer to Barnes wasn't even made

I have no problem with gambling on young guys with upside and seeing if we can develop into something from ground up. But this is on the verge of being disastrous.

The Young trade was a terrible move, no matter the outcome of this offseason. You don't trade a starter away for a reach pick and not have a back up plan.

[CalamityX12]

Yea, the drafting LeVert definitely doesn't help the consensus. It's another one of those only time can tell type grades.

[MrDollarBills]

Thad trade doesnt make a lot of sense to me now... i LOVED the trade. i wanted him gone LAST offseason. i though the cap was was more important then thad the player... but after seeing the results?

Thad turned into Tevor Booker and justin hamilton and the #20 pick. i mean im not going to say it was an awful deal but i dont really get the point.

i thought trading thad mean we could now overpay a pair of wings and come over the top of othter teams offers to get them in here. but instead we didnt top anyones offer. we offered williams and bazemore the same as everyone else... we didnt make an offer to barnes. and our offer to crabbe is right at market value and an attractive match if portlant wants to keep him.

i dont really get the deal now. was it really about levert and not the cap space?

This is why I kept saying that cap space is air dude.

if you're not good, no one wants it. Durant's agents tried to get him to talk to us and he wasn't even interested.

We can also expect the same results next year and the year after. No one will come to a team that wins less than 30 games.

The plan should have been to retain all the decent players we had and add to them, not ship guys out.

[jbeachboy]

levert fills backup pg and wing needs.

[MrDollarBills]

levert fills backup pg and wing needs.

we don't even know if Levert can crack the rotation

[Roy Tarpley]

I wrote this in another thread but I would argue that Booker fills the Thad vacuum.

Booker and Thad are the same age, height, and weight. And I don't know if Booker is considerably worse than Young. Their per 36 numbers show fairly similar numbers except Booker is a better rebounder and Thad shoots more.

TB: 4.8FG 09.4FGA 51.5%FG 31.1%3PT 61.7%FT 9.2REB 1.6AST 1.1STL 1.0BLK 11.5PT
TY: 7.0FG 14.1FGA 49.7%FG 31.9%3PT 68.8%FT 6.9REB 1.8AST 1.7STL 0.5BLK 16.4PT

Of course, Thad played against mostly starters and Booker played against mostly "bench" players but even the differential in points scored seems to be more a reflection of the 5 extra shots per game that Thad took. If you give Booker 5 more shots a game (which in this Nets team, could be the case!), and he makes them at a 50% clip, that would be 5 more points per game, giving him around 16.5PT per game, which interestingly enough is what Thad averages. If anything, Booker needs to control his fouling, which prevents him from staying on the court longer.

Booker has started 28% of his games in his career (compare with Bazemore, who has started 33% of his games) so I think the potential is there.

[MrDollarBills]

Booker is more of a putback type of guy, thad scored in a few different ways.

[vincecarter4pres]

The thing is, Thad isn't a scorer, he just scored some points when forced into the role. When he's scored similar ppg it was efficient because he was a lot more like Booker, an opportunist scorer and garbage man on complete teams.

[Prokorov]

This is why I was pissed off the other day because it wasn't a move that improved the team.

If Crabbe and Johnson are retained by their clubs we are **** ED. I'm 99% sure that portland matches that offer to Crabbe.

If those two players aren't coming here, this offseason will have been a disaster:

-NO WING IMPROVEMENT

-A MAJOR HOLE AT PF

-NO BACK UP PG

At this point you have to question why an offer to Barnes wasn't even made

I have no problem with gambling on young guys with upside and seeing if we can develop into something from ground up. But this is on the verge of being disastrous.

The Young trade was a terrible move, no matter the outcome of this offseason. You don't trade a starter away for a reach pick and not have a back up plan.

if those players DO come here we still have basically that situation. i love crabbe as a prospect and love the siging if we get him but is he really a huge upgrade to what we had? compare what he did to what bogs did. or eve vs. ellington in LA prior to us signing him. i dont know how good crabbe is day 1 as a top 2 option.

agree on why we didnt make bigger offers to these guys or go after barnes. if we get crabbe, he is really the only guy with all-star ceiling