The Sean Marks Performance Thread

[Ror1997]

I love how this thread spiraled into people complaining about my agenda. Looks like I knew what I was talking about. It's was perfectly OK to do what I was doing when it was about Billy King but for some reason we have to use kid gloves when talking about Marks. Marks has completely and utterly failed in his first off-season. King did better last off-season on a cap strapped team simple by trading for RHJ.

Instead of overpaying guys in their prime like Bazemore who could actually make a decision then and there, Marks chose to try and overpay RFA agents who had zero control of their situation. That strategy would make a lot more sense if he didnt needlessly create a hole at PF. So while he was trying to play slick with the offers, he missed the entire PF market because he lost flexibility.

A novice would know that Bazemore is going to go back to Atlanta if all things were equal. Marks had to give him a reason to leave Atlanta, i.e. more money.

Now people dont realize the ramifications of what happens next. We still need to reach the salary floor so instead of overpaying a C+ talent like Bazemore, we are going to have to overspend on F tier guys now.

It's a god damn trainwreck. Marks was the wrong guy for the job.

How many times do you have to be told that Bazemore was offered 4/72 from Marks but took 4/70 from Atlanta?

If TJ and Crabbe were Nets at this moment, we wouldn't be saying Marks failed. He didn't ultimately have control over Miami and Portland matching. He made it as hard as he could for them to match. Tyler Johnson is getting 40 million over the last 2 years and has a player option for the 4th year. Crabbe has advanced payments. They both have trade kickers. He COULD control that, and he did an excellent job of negotiating BOTH those contracts. But 2 other teams had control over the situation, and you blame marks for 2 other GMs decisions? Cut the BS.

About as many time it take to tell you 500k per year isnt going to get a deal done. SMH

But they arent Nets at this moment and that is the reality of it. He failed. PERIOD. END OF STORY. This is Marks failure, and Marks failure alone. You dont trade Thad to clear out cap space unless you are absolutely certain about the guys you have earmarked for it. That is an extremely irresponsible and risky thing to do if it goes bad like it did and is just as bad as BK trading for KG and Pierce. There is no spin. There is no sugar coating it. There is no almost in sports. The only thing people will remember is the guys he actually ends up signing.

Wait, I'm confused. So you DID know that we offered More money than Atlanta, and that we were trying to over pay (70 mil is an overpay) but yet you went ahead and said we didn't anyway? Because it....fits your agenda?

You act like you're not doing petty things like that, and get upset when you get called out on it.

Also, you say marks failed because they aren't nets, but he wouldn't have failed if they were nets? Marks had no control over the final say. You're blaming Marks for something out of his control?

This is as bad as the worst move possibly in NBA history?


Can we ban NS already? For real, this is ridiculous. Obviously we're in for another rough year and we really don't need NS trying to twist everything into a reason Marks should be fired.

[MrDollarBills]

Its def disappointing that we didn't get Crabbe or TJ.

But I don't think the solution is to throw a lot of money at Bazmore. As if **** Bazemore was going to make this a playoff team.

Still think the Thad trade was a bad idea. But I do not agree with the notion that were a worse team.

We still have RHJ/CMC/Lavert to look forward to. Let's hope the develop into decent players and we can compete for 30-35 wins.

I think Atkinson can help turn things around. We also had pretty terrible coaching last season.

RHJ - Billy King
CMC - Billy King

What has Marks done for the Nets?

LeVert is measuring his return in months. I wouldnt be surprised if he is out til Jan.

We are suppose to be rebuilding yet Marks swaps Thad out for an older player who isnt a floor spacer either. Real smart.

We signed Jeremy Lin who is so good that he is on his 6th team in 7 years as a pro.

I really have nothing to say about Justin Hamilton other then he is Justin Hamilton. Hard to get excited about him even if you are related to him.

Marks would have been better off doing absolutely nothing. Jack and Lin are essentially the same thing and Thad is better then everyone else we signed.

there is not much he can do, billy king screwed up the team. jack is coming off acl and right meniscus tear. lin runs the team better than jarrett jack. trading thad for levert and pick was gamble but thad doesnt fit what they want cause he cant shoot or defend well. plus they won 21 games with thad young. who did you want the nets to do? bring back same team back?

Thad Young is better than Trevor Booker. Trevor Booker can't shoot for **** either

[Net Sentence]

How many times do you have to be told that Bazemore was offered 4/72 from Marks but took 4/70 from Atlanta?

If TJ and Crabbe were Nets at this moment, we wouldn't be saying Marks failed. He didn't ultimately have control over Miami and Portland matching. He made it as hard as he could for them to match. Tyler Johnson is getting 40 million over the last 2 years and has a player option for the 4th year. Crabbe has advanced payments. They both have trade kickers. He COULD control that, and he did an excellent job of negotiating BOTH those contracts. But 2 other teams had control over the situation, and you blame marks for 2 other GMs decisions? Cut the BS.

About as many time it take to tell you 500k per year isnt going to get a deal done. SMH

But they arent Nets at this moment and that is the reality of it. He failed. PERIOD. END OF STORY. This is Marks failure, and Marks failure alone. You dont trade Thad to clear out cap space unless you are absolutely certain about the guys you have earmarked for it. That is an extremely irresponsible and risky thing to do if it goes bad like it did and is just as bad as BK trading for KG and Pierce. There is no spin. There is no sugar coating it. There is no almost in sports. The only thing people will remember is the guys he actually ends up signing.

Wait, I'm confused. So you DID know that we offered More money than Atlanta, and that we were trying to over pay (70 mil is an overpay) but yet you went ahead and said we didn't anyway? Because it....fits your agenda?

You act like you're not doing petty things like that, and get upset when you get called out on it.

Also, you say marks failed because they aren't nets, but he wouldn't have failed if they were nets? Marks had no control over the final say. You're blaming Marks for something out of his control?

This is as bad as the worst move possibly in NBA history?


Can we ban NS already? For real, this is ridiculous. Obviously we're in for another rough year and we really don't need NS trying to twist everything into a reason Marks should be fired.

Tell me you arent trying say 500k is "more money". That number needs to be in the millions per year.

And Im flagging this comment. Im entitled to my opinion just as much as yours. Im tired of your backseat moderating.

[Net Sentence]

Well, now the Thad trade looks like its ranking up there with one of Billy King's boneheaded moves.

Levert better come out the gate dropping 19 a game, otherwise i wish he wasn't on this damn team. We just gave up a starter for no goddamn reason. Like he seriously better produce from the door. day 1 starter. otherwise, he's on the **** list all year long

Marks officially has failed this offseason. Grade: F!!!!!!!!

And that F doesn't stand for "fail".

Thats kind of BS... why are you going to take all of that out on LeVert who is a great kid and a hard working trying to overcome adversity.

its not his fault that marks wasnt able to do anything with the cap savings and his free agency was a complete joke. dont blame levert, blame marks. that trade was more about cap space anyhow. if anything you should be hating on booker and hamilton, as thats really who thad was dealt for

Levert shouldn't even be on the goddamn team. He traded a starter for him.

He'd better produce immediately otherwise that trade will be another in a long line of MORONIC moves made by the Nets.

booker and hamilton could have been had without thad being traded. stop it

Im glad you are saying it because apparently Im not.

[Paradise]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

[MrDollarBills]

Thats kind of BS... why are you going to take all of that out on LeVert who is a great kid and a hard working trying to overcome adversity.

its not his fault that marks wasnt able to do anything with the cap savings and his free agency was a complete joke. dont blame levert, blame marks. that trade was more about cap space anyhow. if anything you should be hating on booker and hamilton, as thats really who thad was dealt for

Levert shouldn't even be on the goddamn team. He traded a starter for him.

He'd better produce immediately otherwise that trade will be another in a long line of MORONIC moves made by the Nets.

booker and hamilton could have been had without thad being traded. stop it

Im glad you are saying it because apparently Im not.

it was a horrific move.

Marks outsmarted himself big time.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

It didn't need to take Thad Young being sacrificed to the lord of light to end up in this situation. Levert had no value prior to the draft.

I mean the kid had to write articles on the players tribune begging GMs to look past his torn up foot and draft him. RED FLAG.

[Net Sentence]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

It's hard to rebuild when you start digging up the foundation. I understand that there was a possibility of free agents not wanting to sign here. The problem is that Marks didnt. You dont trade a proven starter for cap unless you are 100% sure you can use it.

[Paradise]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

It didn't need to take Thad Young being sacrificed to the lord of light to end up in this situation. Levert had no value prior to the draft.

I mean the kid had to write articles on the players tribune begging GMs to look past his torn up foot and draft him. RED FLAG.

That's a huge exaggeration. Come on, dude.

[Net Sentence]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

It didn't need to take Thad Young being sacrificed to the lord of light to end up in this situation. Levert had no value prior to the draft.

I mean the kid had to write articles on the players tribune begging GMs to look past his torn up foot and draft him. RED FLAG.

^ This. Marks wanted to show everyone how smart he was and how it wouldnt be the "same old Nets". He went out of his way to discredit the previous regime. Guess what he was right. It's worse then the old Nets.

[Ror1997]

About as many time it take to tell you 500k per year isnt going to get a deal done. SMH

But they arent Nets at this moment and that is the reality of it. He failed. PERIOD. END OF STORY. This is Marks failure, and Marks failure alone. You dont trade Thad to clear out cap space unless you are absolutely certain about the guys you have earmarked for it. That is an extremely irresponsible and risky thing to do if it goes bad like it did and is just as bad as BK trading for KG and Pierce. There is no spin. There is no sugar coating it. There is no almost in sports. The only thing people will remember is the guys he actually ends up signing.

Wait, I'm confused. So you DID know that we offered More money than Atlanta, and that we were trying to over pay (70 mil is an overpay) but yet you went ahead and said we didn't anyway? Because it....fits your agenda?

You act like you're not doing petty things like that, and get upset when you get called out on it.

Also, you say marks failed because they aren't nets, but he wouldn't have failed if they were nets? Marks had no control over the final say. You're blaming Marks for something out of his control?

This is as bad as the worst move possibly in NBA history?


Can we ban NS already? For real, this is ridiculous. Obviously we're in for another rough year and we really don't need NS trying to twist everything into a reason Marks should be fired.

Tell me you arent trying say 500k is "more money". That number needs to be in the millions per year.

And Im flagging this comment. Im entitled to my opinion just as much as yours. Im tired of your backseat moderating.

Flag away. I want to call the mods attentions to this. The only reason I didn't flag your post is because I didn't want to seem petty by engaging AND reporting.

Honestly, I believe everybody on here is entitled to their own opinion EXCEPT you. Heres why. You don't respect any body else's opinion, you try to force your opinion on others, you act like your opinion is more important than others, and you act as if your opinions are league wide shared opinions. Try to argue with your opinion, and you put the other person down and act like you're better than them.

[Mosdefinition]

it went from a tbd to an F really quickly

[MrDollarBills]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

It didn't need to take Thad Young being sacrificed to the lord of light to end up in this situation. Levert had no value prior to the draft.

I mean the kid had to write articles on the players tribune begging GMs to look past his torn up foot and draft him. RED FLAG.

That's a huge exaggeration. Come on, dude.

He was projected 2nd rd and he really did write an article asking for pity and mercy. This is all fact

Either way, the only way for Marks to save face is if this kid becomes a star

[Mosdefinition]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

It didn't need to take Thad Young being sacrificed to the lord of light to end up in this situation. Levert had no value prior to the draft.

I mean the kid had to write articles on the players tribune begging GMs to look past his torn up foot and draft him. RED FLAG.

That's a huge exaggeration. Come on, dude.

hows it an exaggeration Marks traded an nba player for cap space and a rookie that was slotted by ever to be a mid second round pick

the cap space need i see that he didnt engineer but the devil incarnate billy king did

[Hello Brooklyn]

Its def disappointing that we didn't get Crabbe or TJ.

But I don't think the solution is to throw a lot of money at Bazmore. As if **** Bazemore was going to make this a playoff team.

Still think the Thad trade was a bad idea. But I do not agree with the notion that were a worse team.

We still have RHJ/CMC/Lavert to look forward to. Let's hope the develop into decent players and we can compete for 30-35 wins.

I think Atkinson can help turn things around. We also had pretty terrible coaching last season.

RHJ - Billy King
CMC - Billy King

What has Marks done for the Nets?

LeVert is measuring his return in months. I wouldnt be surprised if he is out til Jan.

We are suppose to be rebuilding yet Marks swaps Thad out for an older player who isnt a floor spacer either. Real smart.

We signed Jeremy Lin who is so good that he is on his 6th team in 7 years as a pro.

I really have nothing to say about Justin Hamilton other then he is Justin Hamilton. Hard to get excited about him even if you are related to him.

Marks would have been better off doing absolutely nothing. Jack and Lin are essentially the same thing and Thad is better then everyone else we signed.

Marks hasn't even had a full season as GM. Can you relax?

Yes Billy King got RHJ and CMC. But its not doom and gloom for the team if we have some young prospects and new coaching.

Lin was definitely a good move and a clear upgrade over Jack. Lin is younger and has shown flashes of actually being a starting level point guard. Jack is a career backup.

[Net Sentence]

It didn't need to take Thad Young being sacrificed to the lord of light to end up in this situation. Levert had no value prior to the draft.

I mean the kid had to write articles on the players tribune begging GMs to look past his torn up foot and draft him. RED FLAG.

That's a huge exaggeration. Come on, dude.

hows it an exaggeration Marks traded an nba player for cap space and a rookie that was slotted by ever to be a mid second round pick

the cap space need i see that he didnt engineer but the devil incarnate billy king did

The spin is strong.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't understand what people want. Marks is aiming to amass talent and add small quick fixes that also fit within the rebuild and culture change that is being implemented.

Bazemore stayed in Atlanta. He turned down other offers from bad teams. So, what was he supposed to do? Offer him $80 million? This fanbase has been brainwashed into desperation. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk.

This man is working with LITTLE. He needs to amass talent to cultivate assets and that came from sadly one of our lone assets but this is the predicament as a franchise. We were two years removed from calling Marquis Teague and Mason Plumlee being our 'youth'.

We're sitting at RHJ, CMC, Whitehead, LeVert, Farrell. We're adding two prospects in the next draft. Is it lottery talent? No but let's build our ability to make a decent trade.

I agree 100%.

The only players worth going for, we tried our best to get.

You can't blame Marks for the Blazers and Heat deciding it was worth it to overpay their prospects.

[Net Sentence]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhFjc5dcKQI[/youtube]

Im chilling with Marks right now and we are listening to this.

[Rich Rane]

Locked due to a headache not worth prolonging.

[Rich Rane]

Locked due to a headache not worth prolonging.