Rudy Gay at PF?

[hood30]

if gay is a one year rental, i dont see any purpose in trading for him, i rather give minutes to one of young guys like levert, kilpatrick, or let mccullough and bennett develop.

The idea is to 'test drive Gay" and see whether he fits...If Brooklyn were to over-achieve with Gay, you could always re-sign him once he opts out next year....If Gay doesn't work out, you can let him go, and elevate your young players for next year...None of these young players are special or have high potential anyway.

The goal is to start the season with a competitive team..Not a team that everyone believe has no chance to even compete for the 8th seed...With Gay, maybe you have a chance to stay in the race for the 8th spot until the end.

None of these rookies/young players that you talked about are ready for starting minutes or even strong-rotational minutes.

Kilpatrick is really a sixth-man and nothing more at this point...Rudy Gay is a legit starter, so I don't see a conflict there for minutes...Kilpatrick will get his minutes off the bench(between 18-22mpg)...If he does well, he can get more minutes off whoever is starting at shooting guard..Maybe Bogs.

McCollough didn't look good in Summer League, and did not do anything to deserve guaranteed rotational minutes..At best, he's maybe a 15 minute guy.

Levert will be coming off the bench and get his minutes there..He's coming off major injury, so I doubt he will get strong rotational minutes regardless of whether Gay is here or not.

The Nets are set and don't need Gay.

Lin 32 / Vasquez 16
Bogs 18 / Skil 14 / Foye 10 / Levert 6
RHJ 30 / Bogs 10 / Morris 8
Booker 28 / Scola 8 / McCullough 8 / Bennett 4
Lopez 32 / Hamilton 10 / Scola 6

If Gay comes in to play PF, McCullough and Bennett wouldn't play at all, and Booker would play 16 min/game. This doesn't sound like Marks's intent.

Gay could play his natural SF position but that would mean that Morris, Levert, Foye, and Skil don't play much. Again, not happening.

Maybe if Bogs is traded for Gay -- but I just don't see this King move happening.

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

[Roy Tarpley]

The idea is to 'test drive Gay" and see whether he fits...If Brooklyn were to over-achieve with Gay, you could always re-sign him once he opts out next year....If Gay doesn't work out, you can let him go, and elevate your young players for next year...None of these young players are special or have high potential anyway.

The goal is to start the season with a competitive team..Not a team that everyone believe has no chance to even compete for the 8th seed...With Gay, maybe you have a chance to stay in the race for the 8th spot until the end.

None of these rookies/young players that you talked about are ready for starting minutes or even strong-rotational minutes.

Kilpatrick is really a sixth-man and nothing more at this point...Rudy Gay is a legit starter, so I don't see a conflict there for minutes...Kilpatrick will get his minutes off the bench(between 18-22mpg)...If he does well, he can get more minutes off whoever is starting at shooting guard..Maybe Bogs.

McCollough didn't look good in Summer League, and did not do anything to deserve guaranteed rotational minutes..At best, he's maybe a 15 minute guy.

Levert will be coming off the bench and get his minutes there..He's coming off major injury, so I doubt he will get strong rotational minutes regardless of whether Gay is here or not.

The Nets are set and don't need Gay.

Lin 32 / Vasquez 16
Bogs 18 / Skil 14 / Foye 10 / Levert 6
RHJ 30 / Bogs 10 / Morris 8
Booker 28 / Scola 8 / McCullough 8 / Bennett 4
Lopez 32 / Hamilton 10 / Scola 6

If Gay comes in to play PF, McCullough and Bennett wouldn't play at all, and Booker would play 16 min/game. This doesn't sound like Marks's intent.

Gay could play his natural SF position but that would mean that Morris, Levert, Foye, and Skil don't play much. Again, not happening.

Maybe if Bogs is traded for Gay -- but I just don't see this King move happening.

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

I see your point, I guess I just disagree that the starting 5 is disgusting. It's not great but it's good enough to be competitive and I think it'll surprise.

Also, I believe that Marks is shooting for the right balance of competing but also allowing talent to develop. Marks could trade Lopez and have a talent-less team to develop RHJ, McCullough, and others but it wouldn't compete. Or Marks could get veterans like Gay and Waiters and Stephenson to compete and win a few more games, and maybe even get into the playoffs, but there would be no development of young talent.

With the current balance, you have a team that (I think) will win 35 games and not totally embarrass itself BUT will also give ample time to Levert, RHJ, Harris, Skil, McCullough, and Bennett to see how they develop. Even people like Lin or Booker, while veterans, have room to grow since they haven't played a ton of minutes for their age. Only Lopez is the only one who doesn't need "developing" and even then, he'll probably add some range to his game.

[Ror1997]

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

The Nets might not be getting their Draft Pick but they're using the season to fix the team as a whole. The nets aren't a joke because they have a bad roster, were a joke because we're a dysfunctional mess. There is no roster move that can make us respectable both on and off the court. The nets face one of the toughest rebuilds in history because it isn't your normal rebuild. Most teams only have to rebuild their roster, the nets have to rebuild everything from the ground up. Building the roster is the most exciting part, yeah, but we aren't ready for that yet. If we rush the rebuild and just try to be a contender as quickly and as easily as we can, then we aren't addressing the REAL problems, and were allowing ourselves to continue doing exactly what got us into this mess.

I know everybody is just anxious to compete, and want to put the best talent on the court. But, you really have to take a step back and realize we aren't ready for that. Other teams had easier rebuilds because they didn't have a terrible environment. We still have to work on our environment before working on the roster.

[hood30]

The Nets are set and don't need Gay.

Lin 32 / Vasquez 16
Bogs 18 / Skil 14 / Foye 10 / Levert 6
RHJ 30 / Bogs 10 / Morris 8
Booker 28 / Scola 8 / McCullough 8 / Bennett 4
Lopez 32 / Hamilton 10 / Scola 6

If Gay comes in to play PF, McCullough and Bennett wouldn't play at all, and Booker would play 16 min/game. This doesn't sound like Marks's intent.

Gay could play his natural SF position but that would mean that Morris, Levert, Foye, and Skil don't play much. Again, not happening.

Maybe if Bogs is traded for Gay -- but I just don't see this King move happening.

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

I see your point, I guess I just disagree that the starting 5 is disgusting. It's not great but it's good enough to be competitive and I think it'll surprise.

Also, I believe that Marks is shooting for the right balance of competing but also allowing talent to develop. Marks could trade Lopez and have a talent-less team to develop RHJ, McCullough, and others but it wouldn't compete. Or Marks could get veterans like Gay and Waiters and Stephenson to compete and win a few more games, and maybe even get into the playoffs, but there would be no development of young talent.

With the current balance, you have a team that (I think) will win 35 games and not totally embarrass itself BUT will also give ample time to Levert, RHJ, Morris, Skil, McCullough, and Bennett to see how they develop. Even people like Lin or Booker, while veterans, have room to grow since they have played a ton of minutes for their age. Only Lopez is the only one who doesn't need "developing" and even then, he'll probably add some range to his game.

You are very optimistic with your "35 wins' projection..The only group of people who actually think Brooklyn can win 35 game are Lin fan who believe he's a top 10 NBA PG.

I'm a Lin fan too but I'm more reasonable...The sad thing about it is Lin is not really the pass-first type of PG that will make everybody better...Truth be told, he's really a scoring type of PG who can make a variety of passes, but he's not Jason Kidd or Chris Paul...He doesn't have the same influence as these 2 All Of Famers..But some Lin fan really believe Lin can turn any D-league trash roster into 35-40 win team..Good luck believing in that.

Lin will have a good year..will average between 15-17ppg with 6 assist...Not enough to win 35 wins.

As for development of the young players..I guess we will just agree to disagree here...Your point continues to be Rudy Gay will hurt the young players development.

My point is that you can still develop Brooklyn "C-Grade" young players with bench minutes...None of them have high potential to restrict yourself on getting Rudy Gay.

In fact, Rudy Gay presence on the team may help the young kid development more than hurt them because he could teach them a few moves..

Unlike Bogs and Booker, Rudy Gay is a legit scoring NBA player who actually made All Star appearance and was on a USA Team a few years back...These young guys can learn much more from Gay than from watching Bogs, Booker, RHJ getting trashed off the court every night.

[Mosdefinition]

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

The Nets might not be getting their Draft Pick but they're using the season to fix the team as a whole. The nets aren't a joke because they have a bad roster, were a joke because we're a dysfunctional mess. There is no roster move that can make us respectable both on and off the court. The nets face one of the toughest rebuilds in history because it isn't your normal rebuild. Most teams only have to rebuild their roster, the nets have to rebuild everything from the ground up. Building the roster is the most exciting part, yeah, but we aren't ready for that yet. If we rush the rebuild and just try to be a contender as quickly and as easily as we can, then we aren't addressing the REAL problems, and were allowing ourselves to continue doing exactly what got us into this mess.

I know everybody is just anxious to compete, and want to put the best talent on the court. But, you really have to take a step back and realize we aren't ready for that. Other teams had easier rebuilds because they didn't have a terrible environment. We still have to work on our environment before working on the roster.

Explain how you fix a team losing 60 games and filling the roster with back ups and cast offs

Losing doesn't develop players ask Philly ask
Sacramento

Your buying into that netsdaily sales job of improved environment culture change and other marketing buzz words its like people think bruce ratner owned the team and they were playing in Secaucus last year

[Roy Tarpley]

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

I see your point, I guess I just disagree that the starting 5 is disgusting. It's not great but it's good enough to be competitive and I think it'll surprise.

Also, I believe that Marks is shooting for the right balance of competing but also allowing talent to develop. Marks could trade Lopez and have a talent-less team to develop RHJ, McCullough, and others but it wouldn't compete. Or Marks could get veterans like Gay and Waiters and Stephenson to compete and win a few more games, and maybe even get into the playoffs, but there would be no development of young talent.

With the current balance, you have a team that (I think) will win 35 games and not totally embarrass itself BUT will also give ample time to Levert, RHJ, Morris, Skil, McCullough, and Bennett to see how they develop. Even people like Lin or Booker, while veterans, have room to grow since they have played a ton of minutes for their age. Only Lopez is the only one who doesn't need "developing" and even then, he'll probably add some range to his game.

You are very optimistic with your "35 wins' projection..The only group of people who actually think Brooklyn can win 35 game are Lin fan who believe he's a top 10 NBA PG.

I'm a Lin fan too but I'm more reasonable...The sad thing about it is Lin is not really the pass-first type of PG that will make everybody better...Truth be told, he's really a scoring type of PG who can make a variety of passes, but he's not Jason Kidd or Chris Paul...He doesn't have the same influence as these 2 All Of Famers..But some Lin fan really believe Lin can turn any D-league trash roster into 35-40 win team..Good luck believing in that.

Lin will have a good year..will average between 15-17ppg with 6 assist...Not enough to win 35 wins.

As for development of the young players..I guess we will just agree to disagree here...Your point continues to be Rudy Gay will hurt the young players development.

My point is that you can still develop Brooklyn "C-Grade" young players with bench minutes...None of them have high potential to restrict yourself on getting Rudy Gay.

In fact, Rudy Gay presence on the team may help the young kid development more than hurt them because he could teach them a few moves..

Unlike Bogs and Booker, Rudy Gay is a legit scoring NBA player who actually made All Star appearance and was on a USA Team a few years back...These young guys can learn much more from Gay than from watching Bogs, Booker, RHJ getting trashed off the court every night.

My faith in the possibility of 35 wins is not just based on Lin but also Atkinson's system and his ability to improve role players like Booker, Bennett, etc.

You can't develop Brooklyn's youth that well if you have Gay. Gay would get 34 min/game. If at PF, McCullough, Scola, and Bennett would get 0 minutes and Booker would get 14, which is less than he got in Utah. If at SF, then Harris, Skil, Levert may have 10 minutes total to share among each other.

I'd rather win 35 games with McCullough, Bennett, Harris, Skil, and Levert getting decent minutes than win 40 games with Gay and the youth getting basically no minutes.

[Ror1997]

:oops:

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

The Nets might not be getting their Draft Pick but they're using the season to fix the team as a whole. The nets aren't a joke because they have a bad roster, were a joke because we're a dysfunctional mess. There is no roster move that can make us respectable both on and off the court. The nets face one of the toughest rebuilds in history because it isn't your normal rebuild. Most teams only have to rebuild their roster, the nets have to rebuild everything from the ground up. Building the roster is the most exciting part, yeah, but we aren't ready for that yet. If we rush the rebuild and just try to be a contender as quickly and as easily as we can, then we aren't addressing the REAL problems, and were allowing ourselves to continue doing exactly what got us into this mess.

I know everybody is just anxious to compete, and want to put the best talent on the court. But, you really have to take a step back and realize we aren't ready for that. Other teams had easier rebuilds because they didn't have a terrible environment. We still have to work on our environment before working on the roster.

Explain how you fix a team losing 60 games and filling the roster with back ups and cast offs

Losing doesn't develop players ask Philly ask
Sacramento

Your buying into that netsdaily sales job of improved environment culture change and other marketing buzz words its like people think bruce ratner owned the team and they were playing in Secaucus last year

Well I don't even read NetsDaily so idk how I'm buying into whatever they're saying. But hey here's an idea, maybe we are on the same Page because we actually understand what's going on and don't have unrealistic expectations that everything will magically fix themselves.

Also, if you think I'm saying that this team will improve on the court then just stop arguing with me because you are clearly missing my point entirely.

[jbeachboy]

if nets wanted rudy gay, they would of made a move or a trade offer earlier before they got their roster to 15. its obvious that sean marks has no interest in bringing rudy gay here, plus gay is at 19 million or so this season and will go up once he opts out of his contract. do you really want to tie 20 plus million a year for rudy gay?

[Roy Tarpley]

:oops:

You are probably right that it's not going to happen...but I personally believe it is a mistake..Marks should try to improve this team that everyone believe will be at the bottom of the East....

At the end of the day, people are still going to pay money to watch this team, so he should at least make an attempt to put a respectable starting 5 out there...The projected starting 5 is disgusting.

Purposely not trying to improve your team while not having a first round pick as reward is idiotic.

I was okay when Byron Scott and the Lakers tanked because at least, they had their draft pick to fall back on...

The Nets will be tanking for the Boston Celtics

The Nets might not be getting their Draft Pick but they're using the season to fix the team as a whole. The nets aren't a joke because they have a bad roster, were a joke because we're a dysfunctional mess. There is no roster move that can make us respectable both on and off the court. The nets face one of the toughest rebuilds in history because it isn't your normal rebuild. Most teams only have to rebuild their roster, the nets have to rebuild everything from the ground up. Building the roster is the most exciting part, yeah, but we aren't ready for that yet. If we rush the rebuild and just try to be a contender as quickly and as easily as we can, then we aren't addressing the REAL problems, and were allowing ourselves to continue doing exactly what got us into this mess.

I know everybody is just anxious to compete, and want to put the best talent on the court. But, you really have to take a step back and realize we aren't ready for that. Other teams had easier rebuilds because they didn't have a terrible environment. We still have to work on our environment before working on the roster.

Explain how you fix a team losing 60 games and filling the roster with back ups and cast offs

Losing doesn't develop players ask Philly ask
Sacramento

Your buying into that netsdaily sales job of improved environment culture change and other marketing buzz words its like people think bruce ratner owned the team and they were playing in Secaucus last year

1. I think the team will only lose around 48 games, so agree to disagree there.
2. The team is filled with high character, team-oriented players and coaches, which will establish the right team culture based on selfless play and defense.
3. Giving decent minutes to young talent under Atkinson's system will provide them the opportunity to shine. RHJ, Booker, Skil, Harris, Bennett, Levert all have talent, have something to prove, and need minutes.
4. Losing, per se, doesn't develop players but in Philly, I guarantee you that players like McConnell, Wroten, Ish Smith, Covington, Canaan, Hollis Thompson, Stauskas are improving through the sheer virtue of getting playing time.

[hood30]

I see your point, I guess I just disagree that the starting 5 is disgusting. It's not great but it's good enough to be competitive and I think it'll surprise.

Also, I believe that Marks is shooting for the right balance of competing but also allowing talent to develop. Marks could trade Lopez and have a talent-less team to develop RHJ, McCullough, and others but it wouldn't compete. Or Marks could get veterans like Gay and Waiters and Stephenson to compete and win a few more games, and maybe even get into the playoffs, but there would be no development of young talent.

With the current balance, you have a team that (I think) will win 35 games and not totally embarrass itself BUT will also give ample time to Levert, RHJ, Morris, Skil, McCullough, and Bennett to see how they develop. Even people like Lin or Booker, while veterans, have room to grow since they have played a ton of minutes for their age. Only Lopez is the only one who doesn't need "developing" and even then, he'll probably add some range to his game.

You are very optimistic with your "35 wins' projection..The only group of people who actually think Brooklyn can win 35 game are Lin fan who believe he's a top 10 NBA PG.

I'm a Lin fan too but I'm more reasonable...The sad thing about it is Lin is not really the pass-first type of PG that will make everybody better...Truth be told, he's really a scoring type of PG who can make a variety of passes, but he's not Jason Kidd or Chris Paul...He doesn't have the same influence as these 2 All Of Famers..But some Lin fan really believe Lin can turn any D-league trash roster into 35-40 win team..Good luck believing in that.

Lin will have a good year..will average between 15-17ppg with 6 assist...Not enough to win 35 wins.

As for development of the young players..I guess we will just agree to disagree here...Your point continues to be Rudy Gay will hurt the young players development.

My point is that you can still develop Brooklyn "C-Grade" young players with bench minutes...None of them have high potential to restrict yourself on getting Rudy Gay.

In fact, Rudy Gay presence on the team may help the young kid development more than hurt them because he could teach them a few moves..

Unlike Bogs and Booker, Rudy Gay is a legit scoring NBA player who actually made All Star appearance and was on a USA Team a few years back...These young guys can learn much more from Gay than from watching Bogs, Booker, RHJ getting trashed off the court every night.

My faith in the possibility of 35 wins is not just based on Lin but also Atkinson's system and his ability to improve role players like Booker, Bennett, etc.

You can't develop Brooklyn's youth that well if you have Gay. Gay would get 34 min/game. If at PF, McCullough, Scola, and Bennett would get 0 minutes and Booker would get 14, which is less than he got in Utah. If at SF, then Harris, Skil, Levert may have 10 minutes total to share among each other.

I'd rather win 35 games with McCullough, Bennett, Harris, Skil, and Levert getting decent minutes than win 40 games with Gay and the youth getting basically no minutes.

We really do not know much about Atkinson as a coach, so I don't think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will be a good coach..Let's wait and see, but I don't think it's fair to predict the Nets will win 35 games based on Atkinson who has no history of actually coaching a team.

Being a coach and being an assistant are 2 different things.

Again, nothing wrong with trying to develop guys like McCollough and Leverts who are clearly not ready for show time, but to actually think you can win 35 games while these 2 are getting significant minutes is outlandish.

If your main goal is to develop C-Grade talents while playing bench players as starters, fine, but you should not be expecting to win 35 games....That's what tanking team does..They play guys who no one think are good enough to start for good teams and average young players and hope a few of them outperform.

But I think you are right..Marks is done improving this team..I'm not expecting them to get Rudy Gay...My guess is Sacramento may try to deal him during the trading deadline, hoping that a team desperate to make the playoff, will give up decent asset for Gay as a rental.

[Roy Tarpley]

Fair enough. I am very optimistic about Atkinson but you're right -- it's wishful thinking.

[Mosdefinition]

if nets wanted rudy gay, they would of made a move or a trade offer earlier before they got their roster to 15. its obvious that sean marks has no interest in bringing rudy gay here, plus gay is at 19 million or so this season and will go up once he opts out of his contract. do you really want to tie 20 plus million a year for rudy gay?

as opposed to allen crabbe and tyler johnson? who marks tried to

[CalamityX12]

Durant could slide to PF here....

[jbeachboy]

if nets wanted rudy gay, they would of made a move or a trade offer earlier before they got their roster to 15. its obvious that sean marks has no interest in bringing rudy gay here, plus gay is at 19 million or so this season and will go up once he opts out of his contract. do you really want to tie 20 plus million a year for rudy gay?

as opposed to allen crabbe and tyler johnson? who marks tried to

they arent worth it either, but we already know what rudy gay is and he has never made any team better.