GT: Boston Celtics vs The Nets - Friday, 03/17/17 7:30 PM. SK6 is OUT; Isaiah Thomas is OUT

[Prokorov]

Prok and MDB, I am actually with you on not taking the timeout. But your argument is simply wrong, which is what many have tried to tell you. The fallacy of the predetermined outcome. Look it up, seriously.


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Your basically saying the nets would have scored more in those 4 possesions then 8 points or allowed less then 10 points in bostons 5 possesions.

I see no evidence to suggest either would happen. I realize all events change. but our offense was near flawless and our issue on D was bigs no gaurds.

Lin also played poorly all game, and had a huge negative play at the end. the speculation of him coming in earlier wins us this game is nonsense

Actually, I think the argument is more in getting Lin, who can play like crap in 3 quarters and then play big in the 4th, he usually doesn't do a bonehead foul like he did late in games and instead draws crucial fouls, so that the team has its best chance to win. There's nothing wrong with what you are saying about the guys on the floor, I agree with that, but I see no problem with those voicing to bring Lin in earlier either. Lin didn't play particularly well in the first half, but was good in the 3Q. So, there was a feeling that perhaps he'd get it going in the 4th. And I don't hear anyone say it would have won the game. The chance to win with your proven guys, most experienced guys, good performing in the clutch guys, all of those guys, should be brought in earlier in a tight game is a viable argument, imo. As far as Kenny goes, there's always second-guessing the coach in any sport. I have a problem when it is bashing of any player or coach, and not having a balanced view of them. I don't see that problem with you, but I understand both sides of the argument.

Whatever, im done with the lin fanbase i just want lin gone now whatever it takes... hopefully his comments tonite means he isnt happy here and he askes to be traded in the offseason or something.

Ive lived through HORRIBLE nets season. 70 loses season. terrible players/coaches/owners. rooted for this team for 30 years and HATED some guys (Lee, DC late in his career, obannon, marbury). but not once have i ever rooted against the nets or a net player...

but im legit done. Lin is a good dude but im ready to actively root against him even if it hurts the nets short and long term. his fans are just obnoxious. And now i can see why fan on other boards came here to warn us and troll them and while they alienate every fanbase lin plays for.

short of wishing injury on him, i hope he fails miselrably

[Lorenzomax7]

Prok and MDB, I am actually with you on not taking the timeout. But your argument is simply wrong, which is what many have tried to tell you. The fallacy of the predetermined outcome. Look it up, seriously.


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Your basically saying the nets would have scored more in those 4 possesions then 8 points or allowed less then 10 points in bostons 5 possesions.

I see no evidence to suggest either would happen. I realize all events change. but our offense was near flawless and our issue on D was bigs no gaurds.

Lin also played poorly all game, and had a huge negative play at the end. the speculation of him coming in earlier wins us this game is nonsense

SMH... I don't think we are watching the same Lin here... Without Lin, we might not get a chance to tie the game. That foul was also one sided. Lin was pushed by Smart's right elbow and even Lin did grab his body, the refs usually would NOT call it against a star and his team in a home game. I remember seeing many kinds of holding and grabbing in late game situations in the past few years and the refs just let it go.

[Prokorov]

Prok and MDB, I am actually with you on not taking the timeout. But your argument is simply wrong, which is what many have tried to tell you. The fallacy of the predetermined outcome. Look it up, seriously.


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Your basically saying the nets would have scored more in those 4 possesions then 8 points or allowed less then 10 points in bostons 5 possesions.

I see no evidence to suggest either would happen. I realize all events change. but our offense was near flawless and our issue on D was bigs no gaurds.

Lin also played poorly all game, and had a huge negative play at the end. the speculation of him coming in earlier wins us this game is nonsense

SMH... I don't think we are watching the same Lin here... Without Lin, we might not get a chance to tie the game. That foul was also one sided. Lin was pushed by Smart's right elbow and even Lin did grab his body, the refs usually would NOT call it against a star and his team in a home game. I remember seeing many kinds of holding and grabbing in late game situations in the past few years and the refs just let it go.

we know he is a god who single handledly kept us in the game. to bad he didnt get in earlier we would have won by 60.

F lin and F his fans.

[bws94]

This is a futile strawman exercise. When you put in a different player, regardless of who, that changes the entire course of events (the whole time machine analogy) so it is possible that Crowder or Horford aren't taking these shots. Maybe it'd be Bradley or someone else. Maybe Horford makes five 3pters in a new scenario where Lin gets in there. Who knows?

Our offense was outstanding in that stretch. nearly perfect.

if toy want to live in some make believe reality where if Lin is in horford doesnt score and crowder who was great all game doesnt score then why bother?

Lin didnt even play well tonite.

you guys seriously need to GTFO with this nonsense

Jeremy Lin 10 PTs/ 7Reb/ 6Ast/ in 21 minutes. You shouldn't say Lin didn't not play well.

Stats don't tell the whole story. Lin made a lot of bonehead decisions. Passing into traffic, made a totally unnecessary bad outlet pass to Lopez when Lopez was running down the court. It was like a QB throwing into triple coverage. Tried to force passes where he should have shot the ball a few times, in between on some plays. He started beautifully, making nice passes to RHJ and Lopez, then just made a bunch of brainfarts.

Lin played better in the 3Q, I don't remember him doing anything bad. And in the 4Q, he got caught with his arms clearly around a player trying to get a position late in the game which was not a smart play. So, while he had decent stats and such, he played a bad game for his own standard. He played far better in the Knick game although he didn't shoot particularly well.

[NyCeEvO]

:lol: Damn you know it's F'ed up when I'm the one trying to be the peace keeper

NYCEEVO where are you when we need you most

Sorry, I turned off the game and went to sleep. I woke up, came to this thread, and...

[NyCeEvO]

Guys,

This is completely ridiculous. I'm reading through these post-game comments shaking my head.

There is a major difference between "Kenny being bashed to a cross" and people wondering and expressing a desire to have one of the better players on the team in earlier. No one is nailing Kenny to a cross for this.

The fact that most who advocated this position even agreed that the decision to call a timeout was not easy and their pros and cons to both sides of the argument.

What I saw was:
1) Several fans (including non-Lin fans) wishing that the 2nd best player on the team could have been brought in earlier. Who doesn't agree with the fact you want your best players in for a considerable amount of time to close out a game? They usually present the best chance to win a game.

2) Prok and MDB respond using the last timeout so early in the 4th quarter was unnecessary, especially considering that the Nets were scoring well.

3) While there was some debate over whether Lin could have improved the team defense at that time, the general consensus was that if you change any significant variable (such as inserting calling a timeout and inserting Lin in the game) the results of the game would have been different, good or bad.

There was no intransigent insistence that Lin would've saved the game and made everything better. Such a position would've qualified as "Lin hero worship".

The problem is that not only did that not happen, those who are being pejoratively described as "Lin fans" are even stating that the Nets could've still lost the game with Lin. The only expressed desire is that you'd like to have your 5 best players out there to end the game and it is a fact that Lin is one of them.

I didn't see any Lin worshipping. What I saw was a quick trigger to critique any comment that expressed a desire for Lin to get back in early. It truly was an opinion; nothing more, nothing less. This is a forum where we post our thoughts. If we can't handle a simple disagreement without resorting to name-calling and refusing to even consider that you may be the one who's being a little stubborn, that's a serious problem. When other posters, both involved and not involved in a debate, are telling you "relax, because it's not that serious", you really should question who's creating the hoopla here.

-NyCe