'16-17 Trade Thread / In Season Pickups - Part II

[Prokorov]

Um yea the slow buss got canned and the smart one took over. The Lakers need that pick.

I do find these threads fascinating though. Faster short sighted solutions got the franchise in the hole.

Step one is to admit Danny completely fleeced the franchise and stole their future. Step two is to sell off the vets and take trash back so you can get some draft picks.

This process is going to hurt. And you are two years away from being two years away. A crap contract with 3 years is acceptable to take back.

This X100000

if it takes 5-6 years then it takes 5-6 years. if we have to be a 20 win team for the next few years so be it. patience will pay off

[pickIBL]

Whatever it takes to acquire the assets you want. If you dont have your pick and you win 38 or 40 games that year who caress.. but if you mortgaged the future to do it in any way it's moronic

[NyCeEvO]

I'd be furious as a Laker fan.

Commit major stupid money to Mozgov and Deng.
Trade top 3 pick of the draft to get rid of Mozgov and Deng for Lopez.
Lopez walks next summer and nobody of note wants to sign with us.
Commit major stupid money to Ezeli and Rondo?

I could see Lopez staying, especially considering that he's from Cali and there's a Disneyland nearby (and I don't even mean that in a mean way).

[CalamityX12]

Lopez is loyal to a fault.

Whether it was NJ, BKN... he'd be the same should he go out to another team via trade.

[Prokorov]

I'd be furious as a Laker fan.

Commit major stupid money to Mozgov and Deng.
Trade top 3 pick of the draft to get rid of Mozgov and Deng for Lopez.
Lopez walks next summer and nobody of note wants to sign with us.
Commit major stupid money to Ezeli and Rondo?

I could see Lopez staying, especially considering that he's from Cali and there's a Disneyland nearby (and I don't even mean that in a mean way).

I think anywhere lopez goes he is staying... specially LA since he is from california. he just isnt the type of guy who seems to want to say no or deal with anything. just content with whatever. i think that makes him more attractive then the traditional rental.

[NyCeEvO]

Step one is to admit Danny completely fleeced the franchise and stole their future. Step two is to sell off the vets and take trash back so you can get some draft picks.

This process is going to hurt. And you are two years away from being two years away. A crap contract with 3 years is acceptable to take back.

Correction: Billy King freely gave away the future. It was his short-sightedness and reactionary approach to everything that led us to this point.

For example, King decides to not re-sign Pierce because he didn't fit into the Nets plans, even though we gave up 1st rounder for him. But then when the Nets weren't gaining much traction in free agency, the Nets tried to offer Pierce a deal but it was too late. He had already committed to Washington. If he had any foresight or an inkling that Pierce wasn't in the long-term projections, why give up a 1st rounder for him in the first place.

Ainge even admitted that he didn't think that this situation would occur. Billy King is the reason why all teams go overkill on protecting their draft picks now. He didn't even lottery protect the pick for Gerald Wallace and POR had no intention of re-signing him in the first place!

[twosevenstreet]

If you the Lakers pick becomes a top 3 pick would y'all be willing to trade Brook Lopez for Deng, Mozgov, and a top 3 pick?

No question asked

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[twosevenstreet]

steven adams walked away with 5 rebounds last night - that to me is an indicator that brook did his job. the fact that taj gibson got 8 rbs is on RHJ and booker.

That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works

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[twosevenstreet]

If the Lakers want to make a quick turnaround this is the best possible deal they can get.

Getting rid of dead weight in Deng and mosgov while adding a proven scorer in Brook would be huge.

They can then turn around and move Russell and Randle for Paul George.

George López Ingram + cap space is a great foundation. They would need to target a point guard, say Jrue Holiday. Add some vets and that's a team that can compete for the 5th or 6th seed.

Jrue
Ingram
George
Nance
Lopez would an athletic and balanced lineup that can play great perimeter defense with good rim protection.

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[jbeachboy]

i wonder if nets scouted how old and declining garnett and pierce was at that time.?

[twosevenstreet]

i wonder if nets scouted how old and declining garnett and pierce was at that time.?

Billy King was silly and the Russians wanted what they wanted

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[Paradise]

i wonder if nets scouted how old and declining garnett and pierce was at that time.?

Billy King was silly and the Russians wanted what they wanted

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I wouldn't want my ownership group asking for anything less than a championship. It was hardly ownership's fault. King's job was to create a winning team. He was given the freedom that every GM wants and he willingly blew it.

Most GMs have a owner that wants to do nothing but contend every season but there's the GMs who have the IQ and restrained to plan and build a structure instead of just freestyling on the job because your owner gave you tons of material to work with. King is the equivalent of the kid who gets his first credit card from his parents and just goes wild with no care of the penalties.

King should've been fired from the moment he piled the deal on the Wallace deal. He acted like he had a concrete plan but he didn't. Never prepared for a possible early rebuild in case of injuries or decline. King was an arrogant GM that abused the inexperience of Prokhorov.



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[Ror1997]

Billy King thought he was Brian Cashman but he forgot Basketball isn't Baseball.

[2k15]

steven adams walked away with 5 rebounds last night - that to me is an indicator that brook did his job. the fact that taj gibson got 8 rbs is on RHJ and booker.

That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works

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are you disagreeing with the main thrust of my argument, which is that scheme and game plan dictates in large part the number of rbs brook gets or are you saying that brook doesn't really box out?

i think brook gets an unnecessary amount of flack on here for reboudns for reasons outside of his control.

1. offensive rbs - we don't really prioritize offensive rebounds when our game plan is all about transition offense and defense.

2. brook's offensive rbs - in particular, we especially dont prioritize brooks offensive rbs because he is mostly parked at the 3pt line.

3. defensive rebounds - my intuition here is that we team rebound - the key is boxing out your man and making sure that someone on your team gets the rb. i havent gone through and watched all the replays and dont intend to but i just quickly glanced at leverts team leading 6 defensive rbs in the okc game. of the 6, brook boxed out adams in 3 of them. 2 of the plays, brook was switched onto the shooter and the ball bounced to levert. 1 of the rbs was not viewable on stats.nba website.

[Lorenzomax7]

Let me say this: Lopez will be a Net for Life. Nope.

[twosevenstreet]

steven adams walked away with 5 rebounds last night - that to me is an indicator that brook did his job. the fact that taj gibson got 8 rbs is on RHJ and booker.

That's not how this works, that's not how any of this works

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are you disagreeing with the main thrust of my argument, which is that scheme and game plan dictates in large part the number of rbs brook gets or are you saying that brook doesn't really box out?

i think brook gets an unnecessary amount of flack on here for reboudns for reasons outside of his control.

1. offensive rbs - we don't really prioritize offensive rebounds when our game plan is all about transition offense and defense.

2. brook's offensive rbs - in particular, we especially dont prioritize brooks offensive rbs because he is mostly parked at the 3pt line.

3. defensive rebounds - my intuition here is that we team rebound - the key is boxing out your man and making sure that someone on your team gets the rb. i havent gone through and watched all the replays and dont intend to but i just quickly glanced at leverts team leading 6 defensive rbs in the okc game. of the 6, brook boxed out adams in 3 of them. 2 of the plays, brook was switched onto the shooter and the ball bounced to levert. 1 of the rbs was not viewable on stats.nba website.

i'm saying that players arent glued to "their man" all night. You can't really attribute the rebounds that someone else gets to a particular guy. Steven Adams lacking boards isn't indicative of Brook's boxing out (though Brook is great at boxing out)

I'd personally like to see Brook grab more rebounds, but I also acknowledge that he contributes a lot to the rebounding of the team.

[NyCeEvO]

This thread is going to be merged with the "16-17 Trade/In-Season Pickups Pt. II" thread.

-NyCe

[pickIBL]

Step one is to admit Danny completely fleeced the franchise and stole their future. Step two is to sell off the vets and take trash back so you can get some draft picks.

This process is going to hurt. And you are two years away from being two years away. A crap contract with 3 years is acceptable to take back.

Correction: Billy King freely gave away the future. It was his short-sightedness and reactionary approach to everything that led us to this point.

For example, King decides to not re-sign Pierce because he didn't fit into the Nets plans, even though we gave up 1st rounder for him. But then when the Nets weren't gaining much traction in free agency, the Nets tried to offer Pierce a deal but it was too late. He had already committed to Washington. If he had any foresight or an inkling that Pierce wasn't in the long-term projections, why give up a 1st rounder for him in the first place.

Ainge even admitted that he didn't think that this situation would occur. Billy King is the reason why all teams go overkill on protecting their draft picks now. He didn't even lottery protect the pick for Gerald Wallace and POR had no intention of re-signing him in the first place!

Semantics... like the alcoholic saying the marketing at the store made him buy the booze.

Either way the franchise got driven into the ditch and rebuilding process will take significant time.

[jbeachboy]

i wonder if nets scouted how old and declining garnett and pierce was at that time.?

Billy King was silly and the Russians wanted what they wanted

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prohorov said "hell yeah" when someone asked him about nets being able to get pierce and garnett at the time", ainge got him to not protect the picks because king thought the nets were going to be in playoffs anyway.