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GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm

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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#221 » by twosevenstreet » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:53 pm

Rainyy wrote:I am probably on a more extreme end of the spectrum in regards to evaluating Lopez - at least in relation to this board. But I nonetheless would not hold it against someone to dislike Lopez as a player or want him off the team. I think even the biggest Lopez supporters need to acknowledge the problems defending the PnR and his inconsistent rebounding.

That said, while there is a large spectrum of reasonable opinions about Lopez, there are some opinions which that fall outside of that spectrum. Prok was on a crusade Lopez and it consistently showed. That would be less of a problem if he didn't drag much of the board with him.

It is very sad that a common belief on this board has been that Lopez is a "net negative player" or that he's a zero impact player - i.e. his defense/rebounding cancel out his offense. I don't think any of these beliefs are grounded in fact, yet they were widely tolerated here.

The Nets have been a .500 team in March. They are finally healthy and their rookie coach is figuring out how to play. They are .500 despite carrying two rookies in the starting lineup (I'm counting RHJ since he barely played last season), a washed-up veteran in Foye, and a bench filled with cheap minimum contracts and second round picks.

At some point people have to realize that a .500 record - or even .100 for that matter - would be physically impossible if Lopez had no overall positive impact on the team. Unless you want to argue that Randy Foye, etc. are amazing players.

Prok's bias is finally showing now. Part of the reason I think he refused to see Lin as a difference maker was in an effort to scapegoat Lopez. If the difference between Dinwiddie and Lin was small, then that might downplay the severity of the point guard problem as it pertains to our record.

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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#222 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:01 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Brook's problem is that he hurts our defense and doesn't grab boards. He's a great guy otherwise.

Our defense is and pretty much always has been better with Lopez on the court than off throughout his career. He's the only rim protector we have on the team and despite how slow he is, trust he is intimidating down low.


Never had an issue with Brook at the rim. It's when he gets caught out on a screen with his cement feet that cause the problems :lol:
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#223 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:04 pm

Rainyy wrote:I am probably on a more extreme end of the spectrum in regards to evaluating Lopez - at least in relation to this board. But I nonetheless would not hold it against someone to dislike Lopez as a player or want him off the team. I think even the biggest Lopez supporters need to acknowledge the problems defending the PnR and his inconsistent rebounding.

That said, while there is a large spectrum of reasonable opinions about Lopez, there are some opinions which that fall outside of that spectrum. Prok was on a crusade Lopez and it consistently showed. That would be less of a problem if he didn't drag much of the board with him.

It is very sad that a common belief on this board has been that Lopez is a "net negative player" or that he's a zero impact player - i.e. his defense/rebounding cancel out his offense. I don't think any of these beliefs are grounded in fact, yet they were widely tolerated here.

The Nets have been a .500 team in March. They are finally healthy and their rookie coach is figuring out how to play. They are .500 despite carrying two rookies in the starting lineup (I'm counting RHJ since he barely played last season), a washed-up veteran in Foye, and a bench filled with cheap minimum contracts and second round picks.

At some point people have to realize that a .500 record - or even .100 for that matter - would be physically impossible if Lopez had no overall positive impact on the team. Unless you want to argue that Randy Foye, etc. are amazing players.

Prok's bias is finally showing now. Part of the reason I think he refused to see Lin as a difference maker was in an effort to scapegoat Lopez. If the difference between Dinwiddie and Lin was small, then that might downplay the severity of the point guard problem as it pertains to our record.


Aren't we around a a +10 with Lin on the floor? This is why I am baffled when guys say he's a bench player when clearly the team has been better with him playing than not.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#224 » by 13th Man » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:28 am

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Wtf happened to Prok? I always thought he was a solid poster. It's always healthy to have a difference of opinions. Shame he went out that way :noway:


Yeah, it's too bad he turned full heel against Lin fans and especially against the Nets. He was a bit harsh on Lopez but I enjoyed his game recaps. He seemed like a genuine fan so it's a shame.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#225 » by jbeachboy » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:52 am

where is prok?
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#226 » by TheSparkleKing » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:12 am

Hi all,

Long time lurker first time poster. As someone who appreciates Lopez, it's been tough reading Prok's posts in this forum. My theory is that Prokorov was the third Lopez twin, but the other two hogged all in the nutrients in the womb. That's why the Lopez twins were so tall. Unfortunately Prokorov was born all weird and misshapen and he was kept locked in the basement. One day he escaped, and as his revenge he trolls these forums, forever cursing the Lopez name.
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Re: GT: The Nets @ Atlanta Hawks - Sunday, 03/26/17 1:00pm 

Post#227 » by PG13 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:23 am

Stay classy, folks.

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