2017 Nets Build-A-Team Eastern Conference Playoff Voting Thread: VOTING ENDS SUNDAY

[Jersey Generals]

Hello! Welcome to the 2017 Nets Build-A-Team Playoff thread. This is open for ANYONE to vote, so if you're not part of the game or even a Nets fan, feel free to throw your votes as you see fit.

The point of this is to find the team that would win against their match-up. So check out the match-ups below and vote for who you think would win a series.

What is the criteria of voting? There are three things you should look at:

1) how good is this team? Flat out, could it beat everyone else if they were to play every other team?

2) how deep is this team? Can this team overcome an injury?

3) how does this team match-up with the other?

Using those three prongs, choose which team would win in the two play-off matches.

If you want a more in-depth look at the various teams, go here. http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1562810

Eastern Conference Match-ups

Number 1. vincecarter4pres vs. Number 4. Packers+NetsWIN

New Hampshire Dwont's

PG: Kyrie Irving/Wade/Schroder
SG: JJ Redick/Wade/Ross
SF: Lebron MF'in James/Morris/Ross
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge/Dirk/Favors/Morris
C: Hassan Whiteside/Chandler/Favors/Dirk

My squad is going to be based on swarming and suffocating defense creating turnovers and pushing the ball, not just for dunks and layups, but also open 3's.

Packers+NetsWIN

PG: Kemba Walker, Lou Williams, Victor Oladipo
SG: DeMar DeRozan, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
SF: Danny Green, Andrew Wiggins
PF: Draymond Green, Ryan Anderson, Mirza Teletovic
C: Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond

In this particular matchup I would actually start Danny Green over Wiggins. I know nobody can stop LeBron completely, but I think Danny green as a second team all nba defender can do a reasonable job. And in any pick and role situations to get green off of LeBron, he would be switched to Draymond or Davis. So I actually like my defense being pretty well equipped to handle LeBron and the rest of his starting lineup. Additionally, green is a sharp-shooter and moves without the ball so if he is forced to cover green he can't cheat the passing line or trap in fear of giving up an easy 3.

And with Wiggins off the bench, I think my bench has a distinct advantage his as I have great scorers in Wiggins and Williams, a sniper in ryan Anderson, the #2 rebounder in the league, and an above average defender in KCP.

Number 2. NyCeEvO vs. Number 3. Papi_swav

Twilight Zone Defense
PG: Steph Curry/ Seth Curry
SG: Bradley Beal/ Kyle Korver
SF: Paul Millsap/Andre Iguodala/Chandler Parsons
PF: Jabari Parker/ Marvin Williams
C: Myles Turner/Nerlens Noel/Greg Monroe

SAN JUAN PAPI'S

PG: Damian Lilliard/ Patty Mills
SG: George Hill/ Tyler Johnson/ Tony Allen
SF: Robert Covington/ Tobias Harris
PF: Greek Freak/ James Johnson
C: Nikola Jokic/ Mason Plumlee

Defense! Defense! Defense! and two-way players. Each and every one of my players are two-way players that are not liabilities on either side of the floor. Each one of my players have versatility and can do multiple things with or without the ball.

Twilight Zone Defense cannot match up with my defense or speed.

1) Curry=Dame- both offensive genius but both have weakness on defense, I'll give this a wash
2) George Hill>Beal- George Hill can shut him down, Beal is very good offensively but not great defensive which is what Hill is great at and is top category for guards, he is also a knock down shooter and can get in the lane. Beal is too streaky.
3) Covington= Milsap- Milsap is definitely the better player, but he is out of position here, he's not quick enough anymore to guard the perimeters. Covington is top 5 defender for wings in all of NBA and is one of the most underrated player in the league, check the stats. He had the highest DPM for wings and is around the top in other defensive categories. He can knock down the 3 and use his athletic abilities to finish at the rim.
4) Greak Freak> Jabari - Not much to say here, we know Greak Freak is top 10 talent in the NBA and his defense can shut almost anybody down.
5) Jokic>Myles Turner- Jokic is top 5 center on both sides of the floor, not much else to say here.

Bench:
Patty Mills> Seth Curry- easily
Tyler Johnson> Kyle Korver - korver just shoot 3s, he can barely move anymore. Tyler Johnson is so athletic and can do multiple things, great bench player, 2 way player, potential 6th man.
Tobias Harris= Iggy - Harris is young and a better scorer, while Iggy is older and not as athletic as once was, still a good defensive player, but Tobias is no slouch on that end either. Tobias can score 1on1, Iggy needs help to do that. Wash
James Johnson> Marvin Williams- Marvin Williams took a hit in his production and shooting last year, old age seems to be catching up to him. James Johnson can pretty much do anything, can shoot, drive hard to the rim, tough as nails, great defender on the wing and down low, good finisher at the rim, one of the strongest and toughest guys in the league, plays bully ball and is very athletic. Another 6th man potential.
Mason Plumlee> Noel- Noel has great potential as a defensive center, but he is always hurt and we haven't got to see that potential yet. Mason Plumlee hasn't really been injured much and he fits my team because he can out run most centers, good 2 way center that can finish at the rim with all the fast breaks my team will get.

My defense overmatches the Twilight Zone.

[Papi_swav]

Twilight Zone Defense cannot match up with my defense or speed.

Curry=Dame- both offensive genius but both have weakness on defense, I'll give this a wash

George Hill>Beal- George Hill can shut him down, Beal is very good offensively but not great defensive which is what Hill is great at and is top category for guards, he is also a knock down shooter and can get in the lane. Beal is too streaky.

Covington= Milsap- Milsap is definitely the better player, but he is out of position here, he's not quick enough anymore to guard the perimeters. Covington is top 5 defender for wings in all of NBA and is one of the most underrated player in the league, check the stats. He had the highest DPM for wings and is around the top in other defensive categories. He can knock down the 3 and use his athletic abilities to finish at the rim.

Greak Freak> Jabari - Not much to say here, we know Greak Freak is top 10 talent in the NBA and his defense can shut almost anybody down.

Jokic>Myles Turner- Jokic is top 5 center on both sides of the floor, not much else to say here.

Bench:
Patty Mills> Seth Curry- easily
Tyler Johnson> Kyle Korver - korver just shoot 3s, he can barely move anymore. Tyler Johnson is so athletic and can do multiple things, great bench player, 2 way player, potential 6th man.
Tobias Harris= Iggy - Harris is young and a better scorer, while Iggy is older and not as athletic as once was, still a good defensive player, but Tobias is no slouch on that end either. Tobias can score 1on1, Iggy needs help to do that. Wash
James Johnson> Marvin Williams- Marvin Williams took a hit in his production and shooting last year, old age seems to be catching up to him. James Johnson can pretty much do anything, can shoot, drive hard to the rim, tough as nails, great defender on the wing and down low, good finisher at the rim, one of the strongest and toughest guys in the league, plays bully ball and is very athletic. Another 6th man potential.
Mason Plumlee> Noel- Noel has great potential as a defensive center, but he is always hurt and we haven't got to see that potential yet. Mason Plumlee hasn't really been injured much and he fits my team because he can out run most centers, good 2 way center that can finish at the rim with all the fast breaks my team will get.

My defense overmatches the Twilight Zone.

[Packers+NetsWIN]

Not sure if this helps my case or not, but in this particular matchup I would actually start Danny Green over Wiggins. I know nobody can stop LeBron completely, but I think Danny green as a second team all nba defender can do a reasonable job. And in any pick and role situations to get green off of LeBron, he would be switched to Draymond or Davis. So I actually like my defense being pretty well equipped to handle LeBron and the rest of his starting lineup. Additionally, green is a sharp-shooter and moves without the ball so if he is forced to cover green he can't cheat the passing line or trap in fear of giving up an easy 3.

And with Wiggins off the bench, I think my bench has a distinct advantage his as I have great scorers in Wiggins and Williams, a sniper in ryan Anderson, the #2 rebounder in the league, and an above average defender in KCP.

[Jersey Generals]

Updated.

[Papi_swav]

I don't see how Evo beats my team at all, there is no defenders on that team besides Iggy. I don't see any advantages he has over me.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't see how Evo beats my team at all, there is no defenders on that team besides Iggy. I don't see any advantages he has over me.

Really?

- Nerlens Noel is a tremendous interior defender, especially in this era where plodders are deprioritized. When he was a full-time starter for PHI, he was putting up DPOY effort with tons of steals and blocks. He got pushed out to due to his untimely injury and Embiid's prospect of Embiid's total game (offense and defense) being higher than his.
- Paul Millsap has developed into a fantastic jackknife defender. IMO, the only reason his defense "slipped" this year because he had to take on added responsibility with Teague and Horford. I didn't think he was that good until I started listening to experts 2 years ago talk about him.
- According to metrics, Greg Monroe actually became a slightly above average defender this year. He had a lot of steals.
- And Myles Turner is more than adequate when he plays center.

[Papi_swav]

I don't see how Evo beats my team at all, there is no defenders on that team besides Iggy. I don't see any advantages he has over me.

Really?

- Nerlens Noel is a tremendous interior defender, especially in this era where plodders are deprioritized. When he was a full-time starter for PHI, he was putting up DPOY effort with tons of steals and blocks. He got pushed out to due to his untimely injury and Embiid's prospect of Embiid's total game (offense and defense) being higher than his.
- Paul Millsap has developed into a fantastic jackknife defender. IMO, the only reason his defense "slipped" this year because he had to take on added responsibility with Teague and Horford. I didn't think he was that good until I started listening to experts 2 years ago talk about him.
- According to metrics, Greg Monroe actually became a slightly above average defender this year. He had a lot of steals.
- And Myles Turner is more than adequate when he plays center.

My guy Jokic is better than all those guys combined. I missed the part that u had Noel but even still he is injury prone. Paul Milsap is good a power forward but he is definitely no small forward and does not have the lateral movement to play that position full time. Each one of my guys is top notch defenders excluding Lilliard but Lilliard's offense matches Currys. I still don't see how your team beats mine.

[NyCeEvO]

I don't see how Evo beats my team at all, there is no defenders on that team besides Iggy. I don't see any advantages he has over me.

Really?

- Nerlens Noel is a tremendous interior defender, especially in this era where plodders are deprioritized. When he was a full-time starter for PHI, he was putting up DPOY effort with tons of steals and blocks. He got pushed out to due to his untimely injury and Embiid's prospect of Embiid's total game (offense and defense) being higher than his.
- Paul Millsap has developed into a fantastic jackknife defender. IMO, the only reason his defense "slipped" this year because he had to take on added responsibility with Teague and Horford. I didn't think he was that good until I started listening to experts 2 years ago talk about him.
- According to metrics, Greg Monroe actually became a slightly above average defender this year. He had a lot of steals.
- And Myles Turner is more than adequate when he plays center.

My guy Jokic is better than all those guys combined. I missed the part that u had Noel but even still he is injury prone. Paul Milsap is good a power forward but he is definitely no small forward and does not have the lateral movement to play that position full time. Each one of my guys is top notch defenders excluding Lilliard but Lilliard's offense matches Currys. I still don't see how your team beats mine.

The fit of my players was a significant part of decision in picking and assembling the team in the way that I've done. I think the individual talents of your team are great but I do have some questions about their fit on the offensive end.

Dame might be somewhat close to Curry on offense, but Curry is still more efficient on higher volume than Lillard even on what people are considering a down year. Curry still possesses the greatest offensive gravity in the league while not being a sieve on defense. His overall value is still markedly better.

I don't know how Hill is considered better than Beal and that he can shut Beal down when Beal scores considerably more than Hill and also was more efficient on much higher volume. Beal even bests Klay Thompson on corner 3pt % (Klay's favorite shot) despite being assisted 15% less on those shot types and it representing only 15% of Beal's scoring plays while it represents 27% of all Klay's shots. Beal is extremely versatile and is both an elite scorer and shooter. Hill can bother him but there's no way he's shutting him down.

Additionally, you critiqued Noel for being injury prone (although we were informed that injuries shouldn't be factored in that much in evaluation) but I have Noel as a backup center who can spot start if need be. George Hill missed a ton of time two out of the least 3 seasons with a litany of injuries and yet he's your primary starting SG. If we're going to talk about injuries, it would seem that you would lose more out of Hill as your starting SG than Noel as my backup C.

Greek Freak is awesome and a top 10 talent for sure but is he your primary ballhandler(?), since that's what makes him so effective. If he's playing off the ball, he's relegated to being a slasher because he's a 27% 3pt shooter and does not stretch the floor. Pairing him with Covington only exacerbates that problem. I like Covington a lot; I hope the Nets get a shot at him if and when he becomes a free agent. With that said, shooting below just below 40% overall as a 6'9" non-guard is quite bad. Parker would cover him on defense and Millsap would be on Giannis. Millsap is just the PF in name on offense since he's a better facilitator than Parker, but Parker is more than capable of playing SF since he was at the 3-spot 31% of the time last season. The combined offensive output of Parker and Millsap is greater than Giannis and Covington, and I believe they'd have a much better natural synergism between them as well as with the rest of the team.

Jokic is a great young player and a rising star but if you believe that he is better than all of those player's combined, I think you're seriously sleeping on all of them. I guess we'll see how well Jokic and Millsap mesh together next season.

Kyle Korver possesses greater offensive gravity than any of your bench players. Iggy is more than a suitable 3&D running mate for him. Also, Seth Curry was an underrated top 20-25 PG last year; he shot 42.5% from 3 on 4.5 3PA while providing adequate defense last year. Because Noel and Monroe can switch at any time, there's offensive versatility at 1-5 from the bench. Parsons can easily be a smallball 4 if more offense is desired from the PF position.

[Papi_swav]

Really?

- Nerlens Noel is a tremendous interior defender, especially in this era where plodders are deprioritized. When he was a full-time starter for PHI, he was putting up DPOY effort with tons of steals and blocks. He got pushed out to due to his untimely injury and Embiid's prospect of Embiid's total game (offense and defense) being higher than his.
- Paul Millsap has developed into a fantastic jackknife defender. IMO, the only reason his defense "slipped" this year because he had to take on added responsibility with Teague and Horford. I didn't think he was that good until I started listening to experts 2 years ago talk about him.
- According to metrics, Greg Monroe actually became a slightly above average defender this year. He had a lot of steals.
- And Myles Turner is more than adequate when he plays center.

My guy Jokic is better than all those guys combined. I missed the part that u had Noel but even still he is injury prone. Paul Milsap is good a power forward but he is definitely no small forward and does not have the lateral movement to play that position full time. Each one of my guys is top notch defenders excluding Lilliard but Lilliard's offense matches Currys. I still don't see how your team beats mine.

The fit of my players was a significant part of decision in picking and assembling the team in the way that I've done. I think the individual talents of your team are great but I do have some questions about their fit on the offensive end.

Dame might be somewhat close to Curry on offense, but Curry is still more efficient on higher volume than Lillard even on what people are considering a down year. Curry still possesses the greatest offensive gravity in the league while not being a sieve on defense. His overall value is still markedly better.

Curry is more efficient because of the team he plays on with all the superstar there and the style of play obviously. Dame mostly has the ball at all times so he has to do more. He also doesn't have great defenders around him to make him look better or great passers surrounding him feeding him the ball at the right spots. If Dame and Curry switch teams, Warriors would still be #1, Blazers would still be where they're at.

I don't know how Hill is considered better than Beal and that he can shut Beal down when Beal scores considerably more than Hill and also was more efficient on much higher volume. Beal even bests Klay Thompson on corner 3pt % (Klay's favorite shot) despite being assisted 15% less on those shot types and it representing only 15% of Beal's scoring plays while it represents 27% of all Klay's shots. Beal is extremely versatile and is both an elite scorer and shooter. Hill can bother him but there's no way he's shutting him down.

Beal is a very streaky shooter, I think of him as a rich mans Nick Young. He can have stretches of games where he's cold. We both know George Hills defense is elite and he can bother Beal. Beal is dependent on scoring the ball to have a good game, Hill can do so many other things besides scoring. Hill is also a great spot up shooter and can also hit that floater, Beal is not a great defender at all. Hill is also a good passer and he hustles, Beal doesn't do these things quite as well. Maybe Hill won't shut Beal down but he can hold him better than 98% of guys in this league.

Additionally, you critiqued Noel for being injury prone (although we were informed that injuries shouldn't be factored in that much in evaluation) but I have Noel as a backup center who can spot start if need be. George Hill missed a ton of time two out of the least 3 seasons with a litany of injuries and yet he's your primary starting SG. If we're going to talk about injuries, it would seem that you would lose more out of Hill as your starting SG than Noel as my backup C.

Hill is a veteran and we've seen him play a whole lot more games than Noel did, Noel came into the league already injury prone, we haven't seen enough of Noel. But ok minus the injury talk, Plumlee as my backup is no slouch either and is a perfect fit for my run and gun team, Plumlee will have alot of fast break opportunities with this club and Plums is as good as a passer at center. Noel is just a putback/lob center on offense. Plums has moves.

Greek Freak is awesome and a top 10 talent for sure but is he your primary ballhandler(?), since that's what makes him so effective. If he's playing off the ball, he's relegated to being a slasher because he's a 27% 3pt shooter and does not stretch the floor. Pairing him with Covington only exacerbates that problem. I like Covington a lot; I hope the Nets get a shot at him if and when he becomes a free agent. With that said, shooting below just below 40% overall as a 6'9" non-guard is quite bad. Parker would cover him on defense and Millsap would be on Giannis. Millsap is just the PF in name on offense since he's a better facilitator than Parker, but Parker is more than capable of playing SF since he was at the 3-spot 31% of the time last season. The combined offensive output of Parker and Millsap is greater than Giannis and Covington, and I believe they'd have a much better natural synergism between them as well as with the rest of the team.

I don't see why I need one primary ball handler like your team, why can't I have 2 or 3? Isn't that what the Nets want to do? Greek Freak is as great off ball as he is with the ball in hands. He is so huge that he can pick and roll, he can also finish lobs and grab offensive rebounds for putbacks. He's the only player on my starting lineup that doesn't shoot the 3 well.

Covington shot below 40% because he shoots alot of threes. Danny Green has a worst shooting % than him but you wouldn't say anything about him because most of his shots are from 3 and he plays good D, same thing with Marcus Smart. Covington is also good around the rim, he's a great dunker and can finish. Covington and Giannis shuts down Parker and Milsap. They can switch on defense, both of these guys are top 10 defenders of the league no doubt about it. Parker is a zero on defense, just cause Covington shot less than 40% doesn't mean he can't take it strong to the rim, Parker foot speed is way too slow. Same with Milsap, Giannis will blow right by him or shoot over him in the post. Mislay also shot 31% from 3 the last 2 years, Covington is at 34%. Covington can spot up in the corner while Dame and Gianis does work.

Jokic is a great young player and a rising star but if you believe that he is better than all of those player's combined, I think you're seriously sleeping on all of them. I guess we'll see how well Jokic and Millsap mesh together next season.

I don't think its any secret that Jokic is top 5 center in the NBA and is one of the bright young stars of this league. Plumlee is a 2 way player and perfect bench center.

Kyle Korver possesses greater offensive gravity than any of your bench players. Iggy is more than a suitable 3&D running mate for him. Also, Seth Curry was an underrated top 20-25 PG last year; he shot 42.5% from 3 on 4.5 3PA while providing adequate defense last year. Because Noel and Monroe can switch at any time, there's offensive versatility at 1-5 from the bench. Parsons can easily be a smallball 4 if more offense is desired from the PF position.

Korver possesses greater offensive gravity than any of my bench players??! Are you serious? Korver doesn't do anything but stands on the 3 point line, and he didn't that well on the Cavs BTW, he is definitely the worst defensive player in all the NBA. Iggy is great, Seth is ok, and Parsons?? really? Parsons can't even see the floor anymore and is thee worst contract in the NBA. I guess you haven't watched much of the heat games... James Johnson might be the biggest reason why the HEAT almost made the playoffs last year, he could of won 6th man of the year, he is the perfect bench player. Another guy that can defend the wing and big man at an high level, check his defensive and offensive stats, he will start for most teams and he has as big of a motor as anybody in the NBA. JJ over any of you bench players. Tyler Johnson is another potential 6th man of the year candidate and a 2way player, which is something Curry is not. Patty Mills>Seth
Don't forget I have Tony Allen here, he's always in the All NBA team defense conversation, would you like me to throw him on Beal or Korver? Or any of the Currys? I have Tobias Harris coming off the bench, another 2way player, and he can score in a variety of different ways, not just 3 point shooting like your boy Korver or Seth. I don't understand how u can make that statement about Korver lol. My bench rocks your bench hardbody and fits my system perfect. Everybody can shoot (except Plums and Tony) and everybody can play defense. You can't say the same for your squad.

[Jersey Generals]

vincecarter4pres and NyCeEvO wins and moves onto the Eastern Conference Finals.

Papi and Nets+Packers be on the lookout for the next general voting, where your teams will be up to capture the 5-8 spots for the final poll.