GT: Nets @ Knicks - Tuesday, 10/03/17 7:30pm MSG Network

[ChokeFasncists]

DLO is going to be a star. He'll have a high ppg on this team since the Nets don't have any premiere scorers and well the Nets aren't good. Same with Knicks when it comes to KP. Things are certainly looking up for you guys as well as the Knicks.

we pounded you without two of our top rotational guys even playing.

good luck, the next time we see your team, the beating will be worse.

I hope yall do, we tryna get that worst record fam

I heard THJ is gonna bring them to the playoffs?

[ChokeFasncists]

I remember this kind of enthusiasm last year after our first preseason game, so let's keep this in check. We played the Knicks, it was their first and our first game, it's preseason and we shot an unsustainable percentage from 3. On the other hand, we were missing two of our better players/shooters.

We would have been much better last year without those injuries, and we're even better now.

[Yit]

Hi all

As per like last season, I am tracking our players performances based on a scoring matrix which I called the Game Contribution Points (GCP) - the computation involves a whole lot of manipulating the basic stats from the box score data tables. Those who want to know more may PM me - for those who prefers the TLDR method - suffice to say it normalises performance against playing time and baselined against all players in the game (inclusive of opponents performances).

So for our first pre-season game against the New Yuck Knicks, oops but who cares, her are our computed GCPs for our players in order of highest to the lowest.

DAR - 40 (if he holds this level - he will be an All-star soon enough)
RHJ - 28
DMC - 25
SDin - 25
QAcy - 25
SKil - 22
TBoo - 21
JHar - 17
JLin - 11
JAll - 7
TMoz - 6
TZel - 4
IWhi - 2
YOua - 2

For rough reference GCP < 10 is technically only okay for developing players e.g. rookies, GCP from 10 to 19 is normal for bench players, GCP 20 to 29 is normal for starters, GCP >30 are usually achieved by star players, GCP>40 are usually achieved by All-star players.

It's nice to see DAR is knocking at the All-star gate - let's hope he can sustain this level and make it to the AS event.

Jeremy from GCP point of view was quite pedestrian, but I don't think we need to be worried but if he continues to play in the 10s range and doesn't hit the 20s - we should consider relegating him to the bench.

Mozgov needs more work though but let's also cut him some slack and observe for a few more games.

The rest of our players are coming along fine, although I personally would have preferred if we have one more player scoring in the 20s (i.e. having at least 9 players in the 20s will give us that much more chance of winning the game).

The other person to watch out for is whether J Allen will be able to develop into the 10s after a few games - it will be interesting to track his progress.

Till the next game - ciao!

[MrDollarBills]

Hi all

As per like last season, I am tracking our players performances based on a scoring matrix which I called the Game Contribution Points (GCP) - the computation involves a whole lot of manipulating the basic stats from the box score data tables. Those who want to know more may PM me - for those who prefers the TLDR method - suffice to say it normalises performance against playing time and baselined against all players in the game (inclusive of opponents performances).

So for our first pre-season game against the New Yuck Knicks, oops but who cares, her are our computed GCPs for our players in order of highest to the lowest.

DAR - 40 (if he holds this level - he will be an All-star soon enough)
RHJ - 28
DMC - 25
SDin - 25
QAcy - 25
SKil - 22
TBoo - 21
JHar - 17
JLin - 11
JAll - 7
TMoz - 6
TZel - 4
IWhi - 2
YOua - 2

For rough reference GCP < 10 is technically only okay for developing players e.g. rookies, GCP from 10 to 19 is normal for bench players, GCP 20 to 29 is normal for starters, GCP >30 are usually achieved by star players, GCP>40 are usually achieved by All-star players.

It's nice to see DAR is knocking at the All-star gate - let's hope he can sustain this level and make it to the AS event.

Jeremy from GCP point of view was quite pedestrian, but I don't think we need to be worried but if he continues to play in the 10s range and doesn't hit the 20s - we should consider relegating him to the bench.

Mozgov needs more work though but let's also cut him some slack and observe for a few more games.

The rest of our players are coming along fine, although I personally would have preferred if we have one more player scoring in the 20s (i.e. having at least 9 players in the 20s will give us that much more chance of winning the game).

The other person to watch out for is whether J Allen will be able to develop into the 10s after a few games - it will be interesting to track his progress.

Till the next game - ciao!

welcome back. I remember that these scores used to match the eyeball test for the most part.

[MrDollarBills]

I agree about keeping things tempered, we've got a long road ahead.

that being said, its good to have some joy and excitement around here even if its for a little while. as a fanbase we've been beaten down and spit on and finally we're starting to see some semblance of turning this around.

Expectations vs excitement. There’s a difference. First game since beating the Bulls in April at the wire. It was a relief just seeing them compete together finally.

I’m glad our board has some spirit instead of being emotionless pessimistic zombies that constantly argue about the same sh*t. We don’t nearly enjoy our team compared to other fan bases. Good or bad.

D’Lo is by far more popular than a lot of people think. His debut and Melo’s debut highlights have similar views on social media. Why should we temper relevancy with some of our guys?

Doesn’t necessarily impact our wins or losses. Just gives us a confirmation we have something good that we’re building. On and off the court.

Agreed. I'm glad people are having fun watching the Nets and that we have someone who people gravitate towards.

[playteamball]

Thanks for all of your work, and I always found this very interesting but had two questions:
1. Does your system favor players who play more minutes or is everything normalized into a per minute basis?
2. Does this factor in the strength of the opposing lineup on the floor and the strength of teammates who are on the floor with the player (like DRPM)?

Hi all

As per like last season, I am tracking our players performances based on a scoring matrix which I called the Game Contribution Points (GCP) - the computation involves a whole lot of manipulating the basic stats from the box score data tables. Those who want to know more may PM me - for those who prefers the TLDR method - suffice to say it normalises performance against playing time and baselined against all players in the game (inclusive of opponents performances).

So for our first pre-season game against the New Yuck Knicks, oops but who cares, her are our computed GCPs for our players in order of highest to the lowest.

DAR - 40 (if he holds this level - he will be an All-star soon enough)
RHJ - 28
DMC - 25
SDin - 25
QAcy - 25
SKil - 22
TBoo - 21
JHar - 17
JLin - 11
JAll - 7
TMoz - 6
TZel - 4
IWhi - 2
YOua - 2

For rough reference GCP < 10 is technically only okay for developing players e.g. rookies, GCP from 10 to 19 is normal for bench players, GCP 20 to 29 is normal for starters, GCP >30 are usually achieved by star players, GCP>40 are usually achieved by All-star players.

It's nice to see DAR is knocking at the All-star gate - let's hope he can sustain this level and make it to the AS event.

Jeremy from GCP point of view was quite pedestrian, but I don't think we need to be worried but if he continues to play in the 10s range and doesn't hit the 20s - we should consider relegating him to the bench.

Mozgov needs more work though but let's also cut him some slack and observe for a few more games.

The rest of our players are coming along fine, although I personally would have preferred if we have one more player scoring in the 20s (i.e. having at least 9 players in the 20s will give us that much more chance of winning the game).

The other person to watch out for is whether J Allen will be able to develop into the 10s after a few games - it will be interesting to track his progress.

Till the next game - ciao!

[isekii]

I'm actually glad we have something to look forward to.
As long as all our young guys improve I'll be satisfied with it. Everyone is hustling and still getting used to everyone.

[Yit]

Thanks for all of your work, and I always found this very interesting but had two questions:
1. Does your system favor players who play more minutes or is everything normalized into a per minute basis?
2. Does this factor in the strength of the opposing lineup on the floor and the strength of teammates who are on the floor with the player (like DRPM)?

1. Yes it is normalized against minutes played.

2. Not quite like dprm, I currently don't have the means to track different exchanges of players in court, also it gets rather complex. But contribution points for each sub factor is baselined against all activities including that of opposing players.

To put it even more simply, this GCP is a summarization of the box score figures into a single performance value for players. It is most useful for tracking player performance changes over several games, that is whether they have improved or dropped. But overall having seen enough data, the range of values for different levels of players are roughly around superstars >40, star players >30, starters >20, normal >10 and developing players <10.