GT: Miami Heat @ The Nets - Thursday, 10/05/17 7:30pm. NBA TV

[Curns13]

It's nothing against Whitehead. But like Kenny said, look at the minutes and do the math. There's barely enough minutes for Skil or Harris. But there's no way we're going through the entire season without some form of injury so Whitehead is bound to get some minutes if he stays patient.

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (12) / Russell (6)
Russell (24) / Levert (12) / Skil (12)
Crabbe (30) / Levert (12) / Harris (6)
RHJ (24) / Booker (12) / Acy (12)
Mozgov (24) / Booker (12) / Allen (12)

Roy, maybe Crabbe doesn't get 30 and Harris gets around 10-12. LeVert may have to get more than 24. Dinwiddie's minutes also are probably more than 12. Minutes management is tough. Whitehead may not play much, you're right. Lots of DNP CDs for him. He'll be insurance, but at this point he's more a defensive player than offensive player. He looks totally lost on offense.

Harris needs to play just as much as crabbe. he is nearly as good offensively (maybe as good or better if he makes the same jump crabbe did from year 3 to year 4) and defensively he isnt among the worst in the league like crabbe has been.

I agree, but Marks doesn't have $19M a year invested in him. It is early, but I think you were right: trading for Crabbe is looking like pretty big mistake. Not that he won't or can't be good, but Harris and DMC's play is making him seem completely unnecessary.

[Curns13]

you are all looking at it wrong. Kenny will look to do what he did last year. instead of giving some guys short, meaningless minutes (6-8 a game) he will shuffle guys in and out of an 11 man rotation for 2-4 week periods. which is the best way to do it to keep continuity and get everyone decent minutes in meaningful situations.

also, there is competition now. guys can earn more time or lose time.

the only real wildcard is allen crabbe. this will mark the first player in the Markinson era where money may play a factor in how they use a player. If crabbe isnt a borderline all star or at least elite three point shooter on 8+ attemps a game that move will look really bad. my hope is they dont care about the money or how it looks and just play guys on merit +development goals

I think you are right, but to me that is poor asset management. Scrubs wear suits, not contributors. If healthy, Harris, Skill, Acy etc should play 82 games. Marks should be looking to showcase some guys and bring in an asset for them.

[Curns13]

My attempt at minutes again....

Lin (28) / Dinwiddie (20)
Russell (28) / LeVert (10) / Harris (10)
Crabbe (26) / LeVert (14) / DMC (8)
RHJ (26) / Acy (14) / DMC (8)
Mozgov (18) / Booker (20) / Allen (10)

So tough to figure it out with the depth of this team. I think KA keeps with his low minutes theme which will help.

Lin - 28
D.Lo - 28
Crabbe - 26
RHJ - 26
LeVert 24
Booker - 20
Dinwiddie - 20
Mozgov - 18
DMC - 16
Acy - 14
Harris - 10
Allen - 10

An unheard of 12 man rotation, I know, but not sure who to cut out. Whithead, Kilpatrick, Zeller already DNPs.

Marks has created a pretty big headache for Kenny. Looking at how DMC is playing, he needs more than 16 minutes. Allen's minutes will increase throughout the year, perhaps to as many as 20, cutting deep into Booker and Acy's minutes as well.

[jtsmith]

My attempt at minutes again....

Lin (28) / Dinwiddie (20)
Russell (28) / LeVert (10) / Harris (10)
Crabbe (26) / LeVert (14) / DMC (8)
RHJ (26) / Acy (14) / DMC (8)
Mozgov (18) / Booker (20) / Allen (10)

So tough to figure it out with the depth of this team. I think KA keeps with his low minutes theme which will help.

Lin - 28
D.Lo - 28
Crabbe - 26
RHJ - 26
LeVert 24
Booker - 20
Dinwiddie - 20
Mozgov - 18
DMC - 16
Acy - 14
Harris - 10
Allen - 10

An unheard of 12 man rotation, I know, but not sure who to cut out. Whithead, Kilpatrick, Zeller already DNPs.

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11 man rotation I think Harris' or Acy's minutes will be cut. Or possibly Allen will be in G League the first couple of months.

[Yit]

GCP points for our players against the Heat 5 Oct 2017

JLin - 33 (Lin is back hopefully he stays around this value)
SKil - 30 (Kilpatrick has upped his game I hope he stays around here too)
RHJ - 28 (Rondae has been consistent so far, if he can stay like that it would be great for us)
DMC - 18 (dipped but not too concerned at the moment)
JHar - 18 (slight increase, if he can stay here, it is okay)
SDin - 16
QAcy - 16
TBoo - 13
JAll - 12 (Hooray he broke into 10s much faster than I thought he would - if he can stay here or better this, it would be excellent)
DAR - 11 (Coming down to earth, but this probably a sign he has been making adjustments, expect him to bounce back next game)
TZel - 11 (Not sure why people are complaining about him, for a 3rd tier player, he is normal imho)
TMoz - 10 (Okay he has improved, let's hope he keeps getting warmer, as a starter he should be around the 20s)
IWhi - 4 (Still has more room to grow - if he doesn't break into the 10s by mid-season we may have to make other plans).

The next few games will be important for us, what I am looking for is some consistency - i.e. a sign of player stabilizing (but this is a double-edged sword - being too stable will also mean no improvements)

[steady]

Actually think Atkinson should try to go with 12 man rotation like Spurs often do.
First ten are a lock.

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Remembering Booker backing up on Justice Winslow and getting that layup last night makes me chuckle.

[Prokorov]

My attempt at minutes again....

Lin (28) / Dinwiddie (20)
Russell (28) / LeVert (10) / Harris (10)
Crabbe (26) / LeVert (14) / DMC (8)
RHJ (26) / Acy (14) / DMC (8)
Mozgov (18) / Booker (20) / Allen (10)

So tough to figure it out with the depth of this team. I think KA keeps with his low minutes theme which will help.

Lin - 28
D.Lo - 28
Crabbe - 26
RHJ - 26
LeVert 24
Booker - 20
Dinwiddie - 20
Mozgov - 18
DMC - 16
Acy - 14
Harris - 10
Allen - 10

An unheard of 12 man rotation, I know, but not sure who to cut out. Whithead, Kilpatrick, Zeller already DNPs.

Marks has created a pretty big headache for Kenny. Looking at how DMC is playing, he needs more than 16 minutes. Allen's minutes will increase throughout the year, perhaps to as many as 20, cutting deep into Booker and Acy's minutes as well.

There is no scenario were DMC gets 16 minutes. and it would be really suprising if DMC didnt start. Kenny loves the guy, he is one of our only 2 way players and he knows the system better then anyone. he is a lock for 26 minutes or more.

Also, these predictions are all off. the rotation will change evrery 3 weeks or so. just like last year they will solve the minutes issue by shuffling guys in and out of the rotation. you dont need to find 6 minutes for skil or 8 minutes for whitehead or 1o minutes for harris. those guys will be in and out of the rotation and when they are in it will be bigger meaningful minutes. the team doesnt value small minutes and garbage time. we saw kenny do this last season

only thing for certain is that Lin, crabbe, rhj and mozgov will start the year as starters with carrolle likely the 5th. the rest will be mix and match and shuffling rotations

[Curns13]

My attempt at minutes again....

Lin (28) / Dinwiddie (20)
Russell (28) / LeVert (10) / Harris (10)
Crabbe (26) / LeVert (14) / DMC (8)
RHJ (26) / Acy (14) / DMC (8)
Mozgov (18) / Booker (20) / Allen (10)

So tough to figure it out with the depth of this team. I think KA keeps with his low minutes theme which will help.

Lin - 28
D.Lo - 28
Crabbe - 26
RHJ - 26
LeVert 24
Booker - 20
Dinwiddie - 20
Mozgov - 18
DMC - 16
Acy - 14
Harris - 10
Allen - 10

An unheard of 12 man rotation, I know, but not sure who to cut out. Whithead, Kilpatrick, Zeller already DNPs.

Marks has created a pretty big headache for Kenny. Looking at how DMC is playing, he needs more than 16 minutes. Allen's minutes will increase throughout the year, perhaps to as many as 20, cutting deep into Booker and Acy's minutes as well.

There is no scenario were DMC gets 16 minutes. and it would be really suprising if DMC didnt start. Kenny loves the guy, he is one of our only 2 way players and he knows the system better then anyone. he is a lock for 26 minutes or more.

Also, these predictions are all off. the rotation will change evrery 3 weeks or so. just like last year they will solve the minutes issue by shuffling guys in and out of the rotation. you dont need to find 6 minutes for skil or 8 minutes for whitehead or 1o minutes for harris. those guys will be in and out of the rotation and when they are in it will be bigger meaningful minutes. the team doesnt value small minutes and garbage time. we saw kenny do this last season

only thing for certain is that Lin, crabbe, rhj and mozgov will start the year as starters with carrolle likely the 5th. the rest will be mix and match and shuffling rotations

There is more invested in Dlo than Crabbe (even though their contracts are so far apart). I cannot see a situation where Crabbe, with limited preseason, starts at the 2.

[Netaman]

Atkinson said he wants a 10 or 11 man rotation. We know DLo, Lin, Crabbe, RHJ, LeVert, DMC, and Mozgov are playing a lot (that's 7). Booker is basically a lock (8). Dinwiddie keeps tightening his grip as backup PG (9). I'd say Acy also continues to stand out and play a style that's hard to ignore (10). Another thing Acy and Dinwiddie have working for them is that they can efficiently contribute on both ends in limited minutes.

#11 will depend on the game, but it looks like they will find a few backup center minutes for Allen. Realistically more often than not at least 1 of those 11 will be at less than 100% and that will open up a role. Harris can shoot, and if he's in the 40% range he will find some minutes. Kilpatrick and Whitehead can get to the rim and score quickly. Zeller seems like pure insurance, but you never know I guess.

[Paradise]

hahah...the game thread on the heat board is hilarious. They definitely got caught sleeping, they said we had the worst starting 5 in basketball and were acting like we'd be a cakewalk.

that thread is literally this gif:

A lot of hubris for a team that won 41 games and finished 9th...in the East. A team that starts Dion Waiters as their ‘go to scorer’ should never speak about anyone.

The Heat were like 3-13 sobbing over the post wade era. Now, they are contenders or something (struck out on FAs too).

[MrDollarBills]

They are still bitter about us screwing them in the last game of the season.

[ChokeFasncists]

Lets just hope Crab is gonna play soon and we will see how he does

[Born_Ready]

Yeah man.. I'm anxious to see Crabbe hit the floor. I'm sure the front office is too with everything they exhausted trying to get Crabbe to Brooklyn.