[Pointer Report] Jeremy Lin & D'Angelo Russell = Wall/Beal 2.0?

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I don't know what would have happened with Lin had he stayed with the Knicks and had a team and system, or at least had a team and system in place for many years.

Sigh......If not for that Melodramatic Cancer......who knows?

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We should acknowledge that the Lakers having a dreadful team and outdated system probably did Russell not favors.

Did Luke Walton run an outdated system?

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Personally i'm not gonna wade back in the whole slapfest of Lin vs whoever, until Lin finally gets a full healthy season in as a starting PG, then if he finally puts it all together and proves me right, then i'll have some fun throwing it at his haters faces. And if he doesnt, well, thats a goddamn shame for Lin fans and BRK.

Then his haters will just say he got lucky or that he'd be nothing without DLo and we'd get to have a whole lot of fun with that can of worms.

Keep on hating/looking on these two, i've a feeling theyre gonna do some special things next year. The coach has the right mindset, the system theyre running has more of the right pieces, and these two guys are hungry to shut up their haters. I cant wait for the season to start.

Plz~~~~~~~~~~~~, plz!

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I agree with your assessment Rainy, I too think he doesn't have the physical attributes to be a starter in this league. Compound that with his low fg% and defensive woes, I don't think he has a place in this league currently. However, if he becomes a dead-eye three-point shooter and can improve his athleticism and physicality to at least an acceptable level to create space, he could be a decent backup shooting guard.

I wouldn't go this far. I think his physical attributes limit his ceiling such that it is unlikely he'll be All-Star caliber and will have some issue with system fit, but right now he's a starter on bad teams and a sixth man scorer on good teams. Bad teams will want his scoring punch, but he's a difficult fit on established teams due to poor defense and tweener status.

If he becomes a "dead-eye three-point shooter" then he'll definitely be a plus starter because of pretty solid versatility.

Still, I generally don't like players of this skillset for championship purposes. For guards I generally ask:

1. "Can you breakdown defenses as a point guard??"

2. If no, "can you play off-the-ball and spot-up, and defend (i.e. two-way wing)"?

3. If no, "are you an elite enough scorer to nonetheless fit into a scheme?"

My guess is we're looking at #3 for Russell, although he's still so young who really knows. His inability to penetrate/get to the line, like I said, diminishes his the likelihood of him being justifiably ball dominant. I will be carefully tracking his three-point shooting.

Just got my comp - I think right now you hope, in almost a best case, he becomes CJ McCollum (CJ's assist numbers might be a little depressed playing next to Lillard). That's how he has to function in the modern NBA. He has elements of that skillset, but needs to work on perimeter shooting.

Why would he have problem spotting up and defending 2s?

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Rainny is on point about DLo's weaknesses. He's kinda slow and thus cant be the typical elite penetrating PG that is all the rage these days. He's got vision and can shoot, but his creation off dribble drive (which is the bread and butter for most teams) is severely lacking. Similarly his PnR numbers also look very bad, in large part due to his slow explosion to the rack and thus allowing teams to smother him from being able to either score easily himself or get a good pass to his roll man. These things however can be greatly improved upon by being on a team with more 3pt shooters. The LAL the past two years have been UTTERLY dreadful on spacing, while under the Byron "Hate 3s" Scott and even under Luke Walton, due to mostly lack of proper personnel. DLo will have alot more spacing on the Nets by dint of the system they run, even if the 3pt shooters arent the greatest. Half hte time i had no **** clue what the LAL were doing even while under Walton.

It's all good. Lin will provide the penetration and primary PG ball handling duties while Russell provides secondary relief valve ball handling duties and outside shooting. This is why it was imperative for DLo to start with Lin and not someone like JJ Reddick. Reddick is the best floor spacer out there, but he doesnt provide any penetration threat at all. The Nets need Lin and to some extent Levert, to be those threats to open the floor, DLo will likely be used as a 1st open shooter off a kick out or emergency outlet attacker when plays get broken down and attack disrupted defenses that were responding to the initial penetration/PnR threat created by Lin/Levert

I agree with most of what folks are saying about DLo's strengths/weaknesses.

But DLo is not just ok at passing, he has elite court vision. This might not translate to being able to be the primary ball handler because of the issues mentioned about his lack of athleticism, but it will make him a lethal secondary passer - he definitely ups the chances of BKN achieving the kind of crazy split second passing havoc we see with the GS offense. -- particularly with LeVert's passing abilities too.

Yeah, I can see how Lin PnR, kick it back out, DRuss fakes, PnR, passes, etc.

Kinda like what Lin, Kemba and Batum did. Get fouled a lot shooting the three

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1. "Can you breakdown defenses as a point guard??"

2. If no, "can you play off-the-ball and spot-up, and defend (i.e. two-way wing)"?

3. If no, "are you an elite enough scorer to nonetheless fit into a scheme?"

My guess is we're looking at #3 for Russell, although he's still so young who really knows. His inability to penetrate/get to the line, like I said, diminishes his the likelihood of him being justifiably ball dominant. I will be carefully tracking his three-point shooting.

Just got my comp - I think right now you hope, in almost a best case, he becomes CJ McCollum (CJ's assist numbers might be a little depressed playing next to Lillard). That's how he has to function in the modern NBA. He has elements of that skillset, but needs to work on perimeter shooting.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/17/15979116/kenny-atkinson-interview-nets-future-vision-culture-d-angelo-russell-brook-lopez-jeremy-lin

But in return, the Nets recouped the lottery pick it never had and landed D’Angelo Russell, a guard Atkinson plans to pair with Lin similarly to C.J. McCollum and Damian Lillard in Portland.

The way we play offense, it’s very conducive to both of them getting enough touches. You look at C.J. McCollum and Damian Lillard — and I don’t want to compare the players — but they end up both playing a ton of point guard. They just stagger the minutes. So believe me, there’s gonna be enough minutes, enough touches for both of those guys.

I look at it for myself as like, we just got another really good player. Jeremy’s really good, he’s really good. Now it’s up to our coaching staff to figure out how we can use them best.”

Here we go, interesting idea

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Interesting that soon after Kenny talked about using DarLin like Lil' Dayum and McCollum, they got Crab

Maybe they were watching a lot of Blazers films?

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http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseRockets/the-story-how-houston-rockets-landed-chris-paul

Meanwhile, D'Antoni hauled Paul and Harden into his office and laid out the specifics of their workload. Paul will log 32 to 33 minutes and Harden 34 minutes a night. "I will have a Hall of Fame point guard on the floor at all times, I promise you that," D'Antoni says.

Paul will come out of the game after five minutes of the first quarter, earlier than at any other point in his career. Harden, who prefers to play the entire first quarter, will now have to take a seat with two and a half or three minutes left. By D'Antoni's estimation, Paul and Harden will play 18 minutes together, including the final five of every game. That requires Harden to sit for the first four minutes of the final quarter.

Kenny was an assistant to MDA, I guess he'd be observing what they do and how they're doing over there.

D'Antoni is focused on one thing in particular: Who takes the ball out after a basket?

D'Antoni abhors the notion of having to designate one player for this assignment. Within minutes, it becomes apparent this won't be necessary. When a 3-point bomb by Ariza drops through, Paul instinctively retrieves the ball and fires it to Harden on the left side of the floor. Next time down, when Ariza scores again, it's Harden who is nearest to the basket, so he plucks the ball out of the strings and fires it 20 feet upcourt to his new running mate.

The ball zips up the floor as the two point guards feed off each other. There's Paul lofting a lob to Clint Capela for a slam. There's Paul again, as Harden fills the lane on the wing -- the ball falling into Harden's hands.

Would be nice if DarLin' could do something similar. Two guards who can both score and pass, with one more pass first and the other more shoot first. We're probably closer to them than the Blazers and the Wizards. Of course, won't be as good.

"It's unbelievable," Harden will say later. "I don't have to dribble, dribble, dribble. I can shoot it. Right now. Because I'm wide open. Catch and shoot. I haven't done that in five years."

The burden, Harden concedes, was too weighty. "It's pretty tough to be depended on to make every single play," he says. "It wears on you when you don't have someone to relieve some of that for you, when you don't have that guy who you can throw the ball to for three or four possessions in a row and say, 'Go make a play.'"

Looks like Harden has finally matured and realized that trying to monopolize everything on one end and shedding responsibilities on the other isn't gonna work very well.

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I guess Lin/Dlo really is Wall & Beal seeing as Lin can't stay healthy just like Beal.