GT: Season Opener! Nets @ Pacers - Weds, Oct 18 2017, 7:00pm. YES Network.

[Curns13]

I'm just not in favor of making a 6'7 guy our starting Power Forward.

He doesn't have the height to rebound or defend guys.

Its not his fault.

Feel the same about Draymond Green? I'd be surprised if you do. If you don't feel that way about Green, why would you feel that way about RHJ?

You guys keep on bringing up Draymond Green.

RHJ is not Draymond Green. Hes an exception to the rule.

If you're hoping RHJ is going to be another Draymond Green you are going to be disappointed.

One of the only players ever who can play that position at his size.

Rodman was 6'7 and Ben Walmace 6'9 and both took on Shaq. Barkley was 6'6 and is one of the greatest PFs of all time. If hia height isn't the problem, stop brining it up. Talk about his game and his actual performances on the court. Did you watch last night? If you did there is no way 'RHJ at PF must end' could possibly be a take away.

[Hello Brooklyn]

RHJ wasn't the problem at all last night.

Also, at that this point it's clear that Russell is the superior talent on the team. I don't think we're going to be bottom 3 with or without Lin but it doesn't help when we don't have any paint resistance because the coach wants to go small at the wrong time

Y'all put a lot of weight onto Lin when he has been out played by Russell in all but one of the games we've had so far.

Russell is better than Lin, but Lin is still our 2nd best player.

Nobody on our starting lineup would be starting on on average NBA team besides Lin/Russell.

We don't have enough talent to lose somebody like Lin.

yes we do. we have much more depth then last year. move russell to pg and slide levert in to the starting lineup

our only chance to win games this year was to run, hit threes, and outhustle other teams.

we still have shooting still have guys to run and still have max effort players

we were a 20-30 win team before. we are a 20-30 win team now.

Having much better depth than last year means nothing.

We were abysmal last year.

We don't have anyone capable of stepping in for Lin. And we definitely do not have anyone to fill the bench role for whoever is replacing Lin in the lineup.

I like Levert but some of you guys are going too far with what he can do. Hes not as good as Lin and can't pass or score as well as Lin can.

I think with Lin we were about a 32-36 win team. Now were more like a 26-30.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Feel the same about Draymond Green? I'd be surprised if you do. If you don't feel that way about Green, why would you feel that way about RHJ?

You guys keep on bringing up Draymond Green.

RHJ is not Draymond Green. Hes an exception to the rule.

If you're hoping RHJ is going to be another Draymond Green you are going to be disappointed.

One of the only players ever who can play that position at his size.

Rodman was 6'7 and Ben Walmace 6'9 and both took on Shaq. Barkley was 6'6 and is one of the greatest PFs of all time. If hia height isn't the problem, stop brining it up. Talk about his game and his actual performances on the court. Did you watch last night? If you did there is no way 'RHJ at PF must end' could possibly be a take away.

Again you keep bringing up hall of fame exceptions.

You really think RHJ can play like Barkley or Ben Wallace?

Is it possible for someone whos 6'7 to play way above their size?
Yes

Do I think thats likely with RHJ?
No I do not

And I don't remember saying "RHJ must end at PF." All I said is that I wasn't sure about it. And that was one of several things I pointed out. Go look at my original post.

[linsanity0]

D'Angelo Russell needs to learn how to play defense, or at least put more effort. Like it or not, with Lin's injury, D'Lo is now our primary player. No matter how much he scores, he's a net negative on the court if he can't defend his guy.

[bws94]

Russell is better than Lin, but Lin is still our 2nd best player.

Nobody on our starting lineup would be starting on on average NBA team besides Lin/Russell.

We don't have enough talent to lose somebody like Lin.

yes we do. we have much more depth then last year. move russell to pg and slide levert in to the starting lineup

our only chance to win games this year was to run, hit threes, and outhustle other teams.

we still have shooting still have guys to run and still have max effort players

we were a 20-30 win team before. we are a 20-30 win team now.

Having much better depth than last year means nothing.

We were abysmal last year.

We don't have anyone capable of stepping in for Lin. And we definitely do not have anyone to fill the bench role for whoever is replacing Lin in the lineup.

I like Levert but some of you guys are going too far with what he can do. Hes not as good as Lin and can't pass or score as well as Lin can.

I think with Lin we were about a 32-36 win team. Now were more like a 26-30.

I agree with you. I don't agree with Prok that the record will be the same. I agree, it is a 6-game or so difference with Lin. But it is plan B now that one of the 2 backcourt players is down. CLV steps in, but he's inexperienced and not as controlled as the veteran he'll replace in the lineup.

However, he'll go in there and go through his growing pains, and the bench won't be as potent and there isn't as much flexibility. But it isn't the big void that was left last year with no Lin. You won't have too much of Skil running the point. It's not a lost year, just the backcourt duo won't be realized and Lin's leadership won't be on court, but it'll still be there in the locker room once he gets out of surgery and can get back into being a team leader in the off-court capacity. So yeah, 6-8 games more losses. A good thing is if later in the season, the games that were losses are wins. That's what it is to strive for and would have been with Lin in there as well.

[Prokorov]

Having much better depth than last year means nothing.

We were abysmal last year.

of course it means something! last year when Lin went down our altenratives were a rookie second round combo gaurd(whitehead) and a dleague reclamation (dinwiddie). in addition we had little scoring and shooting up and down the lineup.

Now we have D'angelo russel, a forner #2 overall pick to slide to pointgaurd and levert to step in and start for Lin. additionally we added a ton of shooting with crabbe and carrole.

we sucked last year?! of course we did. because we had no depth and when lin got hurt we lost a bajillion games!

We don't have anyone capable of stepping in for Lin. And we definitely do not have anyone to fill the bench role for whoever is replacing Lin in the lineup.

of course we do. levert starts for lin. russell moves to PG. our bench is dinwiddie/crabbe/harris/acy/booker. that is a solid bench

I like Levert but some of you guys are going too far with what he can do. Hes not as good as Lin and can't pass or score as well as Lin can.

I think with Lin we were about a 32-36 win team. Now were more like a 26-30.

Levert is not special. neither is a lin. lin was a borderline starter who played with heart and couldnt stay healthy unfortunetly. LEvert is a borderline starter who plays with heart. he can give us the 12-14 points lin would have with similar defense and all around play.

we were never a 36 win team. we were a 20-30 win team before and we are a 20-30 win team now

[Prokorov]

You guys keep on bringing up Draymond Green.

RHJ is not Draymond Green. Hes an exception to the rule.

If you're hoping RHJ is going to be another Draymond Green you are going to be disappointed.

One of the only players ever who can play that position at his size.

Rodman was 6'7 and Ben Walmace 6'9 and both took on Shaq. Barkley was 6'6 and is one of the greatest PFs of all time. If hia height isn't the problem, stop brining it up. Talk about his game and his actual performances on the court. Did you watch last night? If you did there is no way 'RHJ at PF must end' could possibly be a take away.

Again you keep bringing up hall of fame exceptions.

You really think RHJ can play like Barkley or Ben Wallace?

Is it possible for someone whos 6'7 to play way above their size?
Yes

Do I think thats likely with RHJ?
No I do not

And I don't remember saying "RHJ must end at PF." All I said is that I wasn't sure about it. And that was one of several things I pointed out. Go look at my original post.

we dont need to "think" RH will play above his size. we have already seen he is an elite defender at PF.

[Prokorov]

D'Angelo Russell needs to learn how to play defense, or at least put more effort. Like it or not, with Lin's injury, D'Lo is now our primary player. No matter how much he scores, he's a net negative on the court if he can't defend his guy.

defense doesnt matter much for Dlo now that he will be playing PG. PG defense is the least important and if you go by the analytics guys it borders on being irrelecant. your center has more to do with stopping opposing point gaurds then your PG does by the numbers

[Curns13]

Without Lin we are likely a bottom 3 team again.

Changes my projection from 34 wins to 28.

Our defense is just dreadful and Lin was one of our best defenders. (which is sad.)

We have to play Allen to see if he can do anything. Literally no interior defense.

Also not sure if RHJ at PF should still be a thing.

Not sure what more RHJ could do. 14, 4, 2 and 1 on 75% fg and 8/8 ft. Only 1 turnover which was fewest in the team. Tough to be better than that as a 4th option.

I'm just not in favor of making a 6'7 guy our starting Power Forward.

He doesn't have the height to rebound or defend guys.

Its not his fault.

Here are your first 2 quotes on the issue. I don't under stand how "Also not sure if RHJ at PF should still be a thing" is significantly different from "end it". Also the only reason you gave for RHJ at PF not working was his height. You didnt mention a single deficiency other than his height. So I gave you some people who proved his height isnt a problem. If you dont think his game can compete against PFs, make that case. The 'He's 6'7 so he can't play PF' is rediculously lazy.

Also you chose to bring this up after he had a great preseason, on the day he was our second best guy, when he had a single game PER of 20.

[Paradise]

Not sure what more RHJ could do. 14, 4, 2 and 1 on 75% fg and 8/8 ft. Only 1 turnover which was fewest in the team. Tough to be better than that as a 4th option.

I'm just not in favor of making a 6'7 guy our starting Power Forward.

He doesn't have the height to rebound or defend guys.

Its not his fault.

Here are your first 2 quotes on the issue. I don't under stand how "Also not sure if RHJ at PF should still be a thing" is significantly different from "end it". Also the only reason you gave for RHJ at PF not working was his height. You didnt mention a single deficiency other than his height. So I gave you some people who proved his height isnt a problem. If you dont think his game can compete against PFs, make that case. The 'He's 6'7 so he can't play PF' is rediculously lazy.

Also you chose to bring this up after he had a great preseason, on the day he was our second best guy, when he had a single game PER of 20.

People keep conveniently looking over the fact we turned it over 20 times. Teams like to run off turnovers. Teams with no shot blocking won’t stop fastbreak points or interior penetration in transition against another young team. The less you turn it over, the less possessions to constantly defend and more possessions to score.

Mozgov, Booker, Acy got called multiple times for traveling with 20 seconds on the shot clock. Moz even had a possession were he tried to go behind the back from the post. Just total dumb s$*t. We were collectively as a team gift wrapping extra possessions to a team at home.

I’m not sure you can expect superb defense when you do that. That doesn’t mean we need to go into a pointing fingers contest of individuals who defended and didn’t because they were all bad. Crabbe was the only one with a positive plus minus.

[Prokorov]

Not sure what more RHJ could do. 14, 4, 2 and 1 on 75% fg and 8/8 ft. Only 1 turnover which was fewest in the team. Tough to be better than that as a 4th option.

I'm just not in favor of making a 6'7 guy our starting Power Forward.

He doesn't have the height to rebound or defend guys.

Its not his fault.

Here are your first 2 quotes on the issue. I don't under stand how "Also not sure if RHJ at PF should still be a thing" is significantly different from "end it". Also the only reason you gave for RHJ at PF not working was his height. You didnt mention a single deficiency other than his height. So I gave you some people who proved his height isnt a problem. If you dont think his game can compete against PFs, make that case. The 'He's 6'7 so he can't play PF' is rediculously lazy.

Also you chose to bring this up after he had a great preseason, on the day he was our second best guy, when he had a single game PER of 20.

As MDB mentioned, the average PF in the NBA right now is 6'8" ... RHJ being 6'7" with a 7'2" wingspan is not some super undersized player in todays league. Hell draymond is playing center a ton let alone PF

[MrDollarBills]

there's literally zero facts being laid down as to why RHJ isn't fit for the job. The height argument has been discredited.

He's a factor on both ends of the floor now with his driving ability (which gets him to the line), ability to handle off of defensive rebounds, passing, and midrange jumper. He has had zero difficulty finishing inside. he is a top defender and has been literally the Nets best overall player thus far. this argument has gotten beyond ridiculous

[Hello Brooklyn]

Not sure what more RHJ could do. 14, 4, 2 and 1 on 75% fg and 8/8 ft. Only 1 turnover which was fewest in the team. Tough to be better than that as a 4th option.

I'm just not in favor of making a 6'7 guy our starting Power Forward.

He doesn't have the height to rebound or defend guys.

Its not his fault.

Here are your first 2 quotes on the issue. I don't under stand how "Also not sure if RHJ at PF should still be a thing" is significantly different from "end it". Also the only reason you gave for RHJ at PF not working was his height. You didnt mention a single deficiency other than his height. So I gave you some people who proved his height isnt a problem. If you dont think his game can compete against PFs, make that case. The 'He's 6'7 so he can't play PF' is rediculously lazy.

Also you chose to bring this up after he had a great preseason, on the day he was our second best guy, when he had a single game PER of 20.

Are you really going to argue with me about semantics? LOL.

I said "not sure it should be thing." That is not the same thing as END IT. That's me saying I'm not sure about it.

You're trying to create this strawman that I'm adamantly against RHJ starting at PF and that this was my main take away from our first game, when that wasn't the case at all.

So yeah I'm generally not in favor of making guys at 6'7 our PF especially when Mozgov is out starting Center. That is regardless or RHJ.

But tired of going back and forth with you over such a small thing I said. I'm UNSURE about it. We shall see how it pans out.

[bws94]

there's literally zero facts being laid down as to why RHJ isn't fit for the job. The height argument has been discredited.

He's a factor on both ends of the floor now with his driving ability (which gets him to the line), ability to handle off of defensive rebounds, passing, and midrange jumper. He has had zero difficulty finishing inside. he is a top defender and has been literally the Nets best overall player thus far. this argument has gotten beyond ridiculous

I agree. Best overall player so far. Hope he stays healthy and keeps up his high level of play and beyond all season.

[Princeinrevolt]

RHJ is not good enough shooter to play the SF position, our defense might be better, but our offense will be significantly worse imo.

[Yit]

Hi folks,
Sorry got caught up with work - it's so sad what happened to Lin, let's hope for a speedy recovery. I think he should make the best use of the time during recovery to learn about coaching, I think his future could be in coaching a team.

Anyways, here's our players performance by GCP for game against Pacers:

DAR - 50 (+++)
Booker - 39 (++)
RHJ - 25 (=)
Crabbe - 25 (+)
Lin - 20 (=)
DMC - 17 (-)
CLV - 16 (=)
Acy - 11 (=)
Dinwiddie - 4 (-)
Mozgov - 3 (--)

Defensive effort wise only Booker was stellar. I am trying to track most of the NBA players this season on GCP (which can be quite tough) but hopefully after 8 games or so we may get a better idea of the overall strengths for comparisons....