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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#281 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:16 pm

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13th Man wrote:Embarrassing loss. This reminds me of the Sixers game in preseason where KA wants to teach this team a lesson for not being too high on themselves. They brought the energy against Cleveland but left it at home tonight.


If this team needs to be taught a lesson after losing to the Magic and Pacers - while squeaking by a couple of mediocre teams, we need to ship the entitled clowns out of here. I don't buy that excuse for a second.

All of our guys are young and haven't proved anything yet or vets that want to show they still belong. We're not the Warriors coasting through the regular season needing a damn wake up call.


Cleveland is mediocre?

The Magic beat the brakes off of the Spurs last night and they are 4-1. They are better than people want to give them credit for. and we beat them.

We had no business losing to the Knicks. Last night was inexcusable. but I'm not going to call for people's heads, or downplay teams we've beaten and lost too over one bad loss. they'll bounce back.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#282 » by Prokorov » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:00 pm

This thread is awful and should be locked then burned....

We lost a game on the road to a bad team and its throwing kenny and the players under the bus. This is NOT a great team. it never was. Beating the cavs didnt change that. We beat teams by hitting tons of threes. we didnt do that. its going to happen alot especially on the road where role players tend to be worse and nearly all our shooters are role guys.

this was NOT a trap game... VC4P said it best... we arent good enough to have a trap game.

There was no magic rotation to win this game or no amount of minutes for DLO to win this game. they match our level of effort and we were not hitting threes. anytime that happens we will lost, period.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#283 » by MGrand15 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:03 pm

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13th Man wrote:Embarrassing loss. This reminds me of the Sixers game in preseason where KA wants to teach this team a lesson for not being too high on themselves. They brought the energy against Cleveland but left it at home tonight.


If this team needs to be taught a lesson after losing to the Magic and Pacers - while squeaking by a couple of mediocre teams, we need to ship the entitled clowns out of here. I don't buy that excuse for a second.

All of our guys are young and haven't proved anything yet or vets that want to show they still belong. We're not the Warriors coasting through the regular season needing a damn wake up call.


Cleveland is mediocre?

The Magic beat the brakes off of the Spurs last night and they are 4-1. They are better than people want to give them credit for. and we beat them.

We had no business losing to the Knicks. Last night was inexcusable. but I'm not going to call for people's heads, or downplay teams we've beaten and lost too over one bad loss. they'll bounce back.


All I'm saying is were not a team that needs a wake up call after starting the season 3-2. That's wild. Every single player in our rotation has something to prove. Our guys should collectively be hungrier than that. If guys are really that entitled, I don't want to see how they'll respond to actual success.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#284 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:09 pm

Prokorov wrote:This thread is awful and should be locked then burned....

We lost a game on the road to a bad team and its throwing kenny and the players under the bus. This is NOT a great team. it never was. Beating the cavs didnt change that. We beat teams by hitting tons of threes. we didnt do that. its going to happen alot especially on the road where role players tend to be worse and nearly all our shooters are role guys.

this was NOT a trap game... VC4P said it best... we arent good enough to have a trap game.

There was no magic rotation to win this game or no amount of minutes for DLO to win this game. they match our level of effort and we were not hitting threes. anytime that happens we will lost, period.


Yep. Low energy play + not hitting threes = loss every single time.

Not hitting threes + poor defense = loss every single time.

Doesn't mean the coach and players should be nailed to a cross over it.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#285 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:11 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
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If this team needs to be taught a lesson after losing to the Magic and Pacers - while squeaking by a couple of mediocre teams, we need to ship the entitled clowns out of here. I don't buy that excuse for a second.

All of our guys are young and haven't proved anything yet or vets that want to show they still belong. We're not the Warriors coasting through the regular season needing a damn wake up call.


Cleveland is mediocre?

The Magic beat the brakes off of the Spurs last night and they are 4-1. They are better than people want to give them credit for. and we beat them.

We had no business losing to the Knicks. Last night was inexcusable. but I'm not going to call for people's heads, or downplay teams we've beaten and lost too over one bad loss. they'll bounce back.


All I'm saying is were not a team that needs a wake up call after starting the season 3-2. That's wild. Every single player in our rotation has something to prove. Our guys should collectively be hungrier than that. If guys are really that entitled, I don't want to see how they'll respond to actual success.


eh....I think this is getting blown out of proportion.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#286 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:22 pm

listen folks if you can't handle a bad loss i've got news for you this probably isn't the last time this season where we just flat out don't have it. no need to panic imo. this is a good group. they'll bring better energy and effort versus Denver i'll wager.
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Post#287 » by steady » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:26 pm

I predicted they'd lose. I'm not upset about it. But I hope they learn some lessons from loss.

Because I didn't watch game in real time I went back to try to figure out what happened - the main factor is what I think KA and DeMarre spoke about after the game. An effort discrepancy. Knicks had 21 more rebounds than us, had 18 offensive boards. Nets made many TOS on top of that. As a result Knicks took 24 more shots than Nets. 24. Game over.

But when a team is playing disjointed basketball, effort tends to drop too, and that also happened last night.

KA is still experimenting and learning lineups. When I looked back at play by play, he had some odd lineups - it's true - but he pulled them pretty quickly and they did not do that much damage

For example the one that Jeff1234 complained about - and I chimed in on - Caris/Crabbe/Harris/Booker/Moz -- werent great , but they only played for 2 1/2 minutes and we only suffered a four point loss in our lead (from 5 to 1) because of it. KA pulled them quickly.

The bench (except for above line up) was good and consistently pushed out a Nets lead or saw only a minor loss. That's how Spencer ended up with plus minus of -1 for the night.

It was mainly the starters that the Knicks scored on

The starters were not terrible in first quarter. When they were subbed out around 5:55 mark, they handed the bench a 13-12 lead. But this is far less scoring than we are used to seeing from them. And the trend when they returned with 4:33 left in second quarter was more alarming. The score was 40-42 (Knicks lead) then Nets only scored two points from 4:33 to half time. Luckily Knicks weren't great either so Nets went into half only trailing by five 42-47, but KA should have seen something was off.

But he didn't make any adjustments to starting lineup to start the third quarter. I do think part of his thinking is that he doesn't want guys looking over their shoulder. He's encouraging them to play free, and if he pulls them whenever something goes wrong , that won't send a good message.

But in game adjustments are also needed sometimes

Spencer was a bright spot in their play last night
still Spencer was the last bench player put into the game in the third quarter and he did not have any playing time with DLo last night at all, even though Caris was not playing that well. Crabbe and Harris were also not subbed in for Caris and Acy until 5:26

Acy subbed in for Moz at 9:08. Booker subbed in for RHJ at 7:39.

Spencer did not see any time in third quarter until 5:02 left in quarter. And at that point, Knicks already had a 20 point lead.

Kenny must have had his reasons last night. I'm not saying he was idiotic.

And I'm not saying that Spencer is better than Caris (or Crabbe). I don't think he is. But he brings a skill set that may complement DLos skill set better, and it would good to see them play together at least sometimes, especially when the starting line up is struggling.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#288 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:21 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:listen folks if you can't handle a bad loss i've got news for you this probably isn't the last time this season where we just flat out don't have it. no need to panic imo. this is a good group. they'll bring better energy and effort versus Denver i'll wager.

No one is saying they suck or there needs to be trade. I'm seeing a bunch of people blame one thing, whether it be team effort, Kenny, or one particular player, and others choosing a type of moral high ground regarding one's choice of blame. In the end, most of us have a chosen a single theme and believe it to be the smoking gun.

That's what happens when we try making narratives on the fly. People have stated their opinions and are moving on. Nothing more...nothing less.
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Post#289 » by bws94 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:25 pm

Steady, good post. I think sometimes it isn't individually how good a player is but more how well tandems work. How a different guy brings different skills and sometimes the group of players is better as a whole or sum of their parts than a group of individually better players with perhaps, redundant skill sets or non-complementary skills sets. Or bad matchups with the opposing squad at the time.

Caris and DLo have different skills, but Dinwiddie is a more developed, calm player that tends to make better decisions. I also think he has the best ball security of any guard (including Lin) on the team. I'd still run Caris with DLo, but at times, have Caris develop when Dinwiddie does with DLo. I'd up Dinwiddie's minutes if I were KA.
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Post#290 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:48 pm

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Post#291 » by CalamityX12 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:51 pm

Year 2 into development n yes, I personally, think we should be better than giving up a bad loss to a bad team.

Bad loss to medicore? Sure it happens
Bad loss to average? Normal
Bad loss to good, great, contender? Learn n grow....

Bad loss to bad team? Does not compute imo.
Bad loss to a winless team? Only our luck
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#292 » by MGrand15 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:02 pm

Prokorov wrote:This thread is awful and should be locked then burned....

We lost a game on the road to a bad team and its throwing kenny and the players under the bus. This is NOT a great team. it never was. Beating the cavs didnt change that. We beat teams by hitting tons of threes. we didnt do that. its going to happen alot especially on the road where role players tend to be worse and nearly all our shooters are role guys.

this was NOT a trap game... VC4P said it best... we arent good enough to have a trap game.

There was no magic rotation to win this game or no amount of minutes for DLO to win this game. they match our level of effort and we were not hitting threes. anytime that happens we will lost, period.


Huh? We hit 38% of our 3s, attempted 29 and outshot them from 3.
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Post#293 » by TinmanZBoy » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:56 pm

Prokorov wrote:This thread is awful and should be locked then burned....

We lost a game on the road to a bad team and its throwing kenny and the players under the bus. This is NOT a great team. it never was. Beating the cavs didnt change that. We beat teams by hitting tons of threes. we didnt do that. its going to happen alot especially on the road where role players tend to be worse and nearly all our shooters are role guys.

this was NOT a trap game... VC4P said it best... we arent good enough to have a trap game.

There was no magic rotation to win this game or no amount of minutes for DLO to win this game. they match our level of effort and we were not hitting threes. anytime that happens we will lost, period.


this... stop the "good team" jinx!
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#294 » by KlicKlac » Sun Oct 29, 2017 12:50 am

Hanging out in philly and missed viewing game, but was boxscore watching the whole time, and can't believe what I was seeing. Really kills a lot of the fun of the previous win, but oh well. Hopefully levert returns to his form from the end of last year. And wtf was crabbe doing this game? Putting on nothing on the boxscore.
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Post#295 » by moonpie » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:02 am

Acy is out for tomorrow's game with a hammy strain
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#296 » by Yit » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:05 am

Players Performance by GCP for game against Knicks 27 Oct 2017

DAR - 26 (=)
Acy - 24 (+)
Mozgov - 14 (-)
Dinwiddie - 13 (=)
Booker - 13 (=)
Kilpatrick - 11 (=)
Zeller - 9 (-)
DMC - 8 (--)
Harris - 7 (-)
CLV - 5 (--)
RHJ - 4 (--)
Allen - 3 (-)
Crabbe - 0 (--)

Sigh too many players not playing up to their marks - hope this loss becomes a wake up call for our players that they cannot assume any game is going to be easy - we must continue to play hard if we want to win....
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Post#297 » by brook » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:56 am

moonpie wrote:Acy is out for tomorrow's game with a hammy strain


I'm curious too see who take his minutes as backup PF.

Nuggets have a big rotation frontcourt with Jokic, Millsap, Faried and Plumlee.

Maybe not the best game to see Demarre at PF.

I think Booker switch to backup PF and more minutes to Allen and also Zeller.
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Re: GT: Nets (3-2) @ Knicks (0-3) 7:30 PM EST YES 

Post#298 » by Antti22 » Sun Nov 5, 2017 2:12 pm

Rich Rane wrote:From the previous game thread:

Antti22 wrote:
steady wrote:Alright next up Madison Squate Garden again - another chance to win over more NY fans. I wonder if Rappaport will be there to cheer on Nets in person? :)



If theres anything to go by in this early season, its that we will probably lose that game, because we kind of expect a win, because Knicks just suck at the moment.
Thats what happened with Memphis, they were 3-0 and killing couple of giants on the way, then lost to 0-4 Dallas . Wizards lost to awful Lakers and Jazz lost to awful Suns team. Not to mention, Cavs lost to us, which they expected a easy win :lol: .

Thats why I am already taking the Knicks game as a loss in advance, hope I am wrong tho :D


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Wow, I am surprised someone noticed that! I did kind of know it in advance :D

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