GT: (3-6) Nets @ Suns (4-6), Mon, Nov 6, 9:00 PM YES

[Prokorov]

What bothers me about the backlash against Russell criticism is that it seems to come from 'he's good and young so he should get a pass for a couple years' Some people (including me) definitely overreact mid-game but Russell having potential to be really good is exactly why he shouldn't get a pass. I remember Kevin Durant a few years ago talking about how he looked at analytics and totally eliminated certain shots from his game. This is coming from the best offensive player on the planet who could literally do anything on the floor.

He should get a pass. he is 21 in a new system and producing as our best player other then maybe RHJ. its been 10 games. he gets dumped on any second he does anything wrong. he is averaging like 21/6/5 on 45+ from the field and all his efficiency numbers are up from last year (getting to the FT line mroe too). he also has been huge late in 3 of our 4 games.

e has ALOT to work on. his right hand, free throws, defensive intensity, and shot selection on the 3-ball.

but the kid is 21! yet somehow has a shorter leash then RHJ, Levert, or Crabbe who are all older (in in crabbes case older AND paid 3 times as much).

While I agree he has some hero-ball moments, he is also in a situation where there is not 1 other consistent reliable scorer/offense creator on the team, and some level of hero ball is required from him at times.

On another note, we should start every game going to Crabbe sets aggressively. When he moves without the ball hard, it really bends the defense and for the most part, he passes the ball quickly if he doesn't have a look. It gets the defense moving, the offense moving and everyone touches the ball. He was great yesterday.

I agree getting him involved early is important. He is kind of like lopez in that if you dont force it to him at times he gets complacent and is happy standing in the corner watching.

Next step for Crabbe is being aggressive when they put little guards on him. When Russell is hot, they're going to put bigger guards on him. Crabbe had Mike James on him at one point. He either needs to force those guards to fight through screens and shoot over them. Or post them up Klay Thompson style. Crabbe is so big that he'll probably spook the defense and draw a double. If not, it'll be a nice skill for him to develop. The way he shoots should be perfect for that.

Yeah, i want to see us use the same plan with used with RHJ last year. just tell him to attack anytime he has the ball and the jumper isnt there. throw yourself at the rim, go hero-ball if you need to. whatever it takes to get the volume reps in game. i want him taking 15 shots every night with half of those on off the dribble offense. yeah its gonna be ugly but thats how you improve. look at the massive strides RHJ takes now. anytime he drives it usually results in something good

[Prokorov]

I don't know if the numbers prove this out, but it seemed like we played at a slightly slower pace and I think that helped with the sloppiness on both ends. I know they said Kenny went back to training camp basics in practice, and especially on defense I think keeping things simple may be the best strategy. On offense as guys get more comfortable they can push the pace more, but for the time being too many guys are still trying to find their place.

We actually played at a FASTER pace last night... our average for the season is 106.2 possessions per game. Last night we were at 116.

What may have made it seem slower was that us (and the suns) shot it so poorly and there were alot of stoppages for all the fouls (60 personal fouls combined)

[Prokorov]

It was an interesting thing he did last night. He pulled guys, pointed out what was being done wrong, and got them right back out there. Seems a far bit different and more conducive to development from yanking someone, cussing them out and them having them stew at the end of the bench for the rest of the game.

Lets also note that he also yanked Carroll in the same manner and got him right back out here. So it just doesn't apply to the kids.

I said the coach should yank him when he doesn't stick to the game plan and that's exactly what the coach did lol.
He talked to him and sent him back in the game bc that's his coaching style he did the same to DMC and you saw the results.

It was the first time I've seen him use this method. It's actually pretty smart. Pull the guy, communicate what he's doing wrong and then send him back out there.

From the player's standpoint, that's a lot better than being benched. It goes a long way when you show trust in your guys like that. Hopefully he doesn't have to do that again for awhile though.

agreed, send the message while also letting the player work through struggles. that is the key part. letting them fight through struggles is enormous for their development

[bws94]

What bothers me about the backlash against Russell criticism is that it seems to come from 'he's good and young so he should get a pass for a couple years' Some people (including me) definitely overreact mid-game but Russell having potential to be really good is exactly why he shouldn't get a pass. I remember Kevin Durant a few years ago talking about how he looked at analytics and totally eliminated certain shots from his game. This is coming from the best offensive player on the planet who could literally do anything on the floor.

He should get a pass. he is 21 in a new system and producing as our best player other then maybe RHJ. its been 10 games. he gets dumped on any second he does anything wrong. he is averaging like 21/6/5 on 45+ from the field and all his efficiency numbers are up from last year (getting to the FT line mroe too). he also has been huge late in 3 of our 4 games.

e has ALOT to work on. his right hand, free throws, defensive intensity, and shot selection on the 3-ball.

but the kid is 21! yet somehow has a shorter leash then RHJ, Levert, or Crabbe who are all older (in in crabbes case older AND paid 3 times as much).

While I agree he has some hero-ball moments, he is also in a situation where there is not 1 other consistent reliable scorer/offense creator on the team, and some level of hero ball is required from him at times.

I think Dinwiddie is a scorer/creator and can be just as clutch as D. Russell. There are times where D Russell has to win with more than his scoring. I liked that he got to the line, that's very important. I liked some of his late game passes. HIs shots taken when he was hot was fine, he didn't force them. I don't encourage hero ball but that's not the same as calling your number because you're feeling it. And I think that's what he did last night. He played a solid game. And I don't even care about the TOs. The D will improve, the effort was there.

[Prokorov]

What bothers me about the backlash against Russell criticism is that it seems to come from 'he's good and young so he should get a pass for a couple years' Some people (including me) definitely overreact mid-game but Russell having potential to be really good is exactly why he shouldn't get a pass. I remember Kevin Durant a few years ago talking about how he looked at analytics and totally eliminated certain shots from his game. This is coming from the best offensive player on the planet who could literally do anything on the floor.

He should get a pass. he is 21 in a new system and producing as our best player other then maybe RHJ. its been 10 games. he gets dumped on any second he does anything wrong. he is averaging like 21/6/5 on 45+ from the field and all his efficiency numbers are up from last year (getting to the FT line mroe too). he also has been huge late in 3 of our 4 games.

e has ALOT to work on. his right hand, free throws, defensive intensity, and shot selection on the 3-ball.

but the kid is 21! yet somehow has a shorter leash then RHJ, Levert, or Crabbe who are all older (in in crabbes case older AND paid 3 times as much).

While I agree he has some hero-ball moments, he is also in a situation where there is not 1 other consistent reliable scorer/offense creator on the team, and some level of hero ball is required from him at times.

I think Dinwiddie is a scorer/creator and can be just as clutch as D. Russell. There are times where D Russell has to win with more than his scoring. I liked that he got to the line, that's very important. I liked some of his late game passes. HIs shots taken when he was hot was fine, he didn't force them. I don't encourage hero ball but that's not the same as calling your number because you're feeling it. And I think that's what he did last night. He played a solid game. And I don't even care about the TOs. The D will improve, the effort was there.

i like dinwiddie, but he isnt creating a ton of offense. DLO really doesnt have another consistent reliable scorer on the team. he HAS to play hero ball at times.

Levert stepping up would help. us drafting a scorer the next 2-3 years seems like a great idea too

[bws94]

He should get a pass. he is 21 in a new system and producing as our best player other then maybe RHJ. its been 10 games. he gets dumped on any second he does anything wrong. he is averaging like 21/6/5 on 45+ from the field and all his efficiency numbers are up from last year (getting to the FT line mroe too). he also has been huge late in 3 of our 4 games.

e has ALOT to work on. his right hand, free throws, defensive intensity, and shot selection on the 3-ball.

but the kid is 21! yet somehow has a shorter leash then RHJ, Levert, or Crabbe who are all older (in in crabbes case older AND paid 3 times as much).

While I agree he has some hero-ball moments, he is also in a situation where there is not 1 other consistent reliable scorer/offense creator on the team, and some level of hero ball is required from him at times.

I think Dinwiddie is a scorer/creator and can be just as clutch as D. Russell. There are times where D Russell has to win with more than his scoring. I liked that he got to the line, that's very important. I liked some of his late game passes. HIs shots taken when he was hot was fine, he didn't force them. I don't encourage hero ball but that's not the same as calling your number because you're feeling it. And I think that's what he did last night. He played a solid game. And I don't even care about the TOs. The D will improve, the effort was there.

i like dinwiddie, but he isnt creating a ton of offense. DLO really doesnt have another consistent reliable scorer on the team. he HAS to play hero ball at times.

Levert stepping up would help. us drafting a scorer the next 2-3 years seems like a great idea too

Din started the first run when the Nets were a little down, and the ball zipped around well. He was at the center of it. DRuss is by far the best scorer on the team. I think sometimes it's better for him to pass it off to someone else like Dinwiddie, let him attract defenders thereby freeing up Russell and then Russell either gets a better look, or a chance to find an even better open look. That happened last night. Dinwiddie attracted defenders, passed to Russell, and I think Russell found a cutting Carroll right under the rim for an easy 2.

The danger with "hero ball" is that it can make a player put up contested shots. Open looks fall a lot more than contested ones. I think the "hero ball" has to be judicious, as it was last night. But it can easily fall into tunnel vision hero ball that doesn't involve easier looks when they are available. It's good to have a young player be aware of the best way to take over but still be looking for the best look while you do so.

[MGrand15]

He should get a pass. he is 21 in a new system and producing as our best player other then maybe RHJ. its been 10 games. he gets dumped on any second he does anything wrong. he is averaging like 21/6/5 on 45+ from the field and all his efficiency numbers are up from last year (getting to the FT line mroe too). he also has been huge late in 3 of our 4 games.

e has ALOT to work on. his right hand, free throws, defensive intensity, and shot selection on the 3-ball.

but the kid is 21! yet somehow has a shorter leash then RHJ, Levert, or Crabbe who are all older (in in crabbes case older AND paid 3 times as much).

While I agree he has some hero-ball moments, he is also in a situation where there is not 1 other consistent reliable scorer/offense creator on the team, and some level of hero ball is required from him at times.

I think Dinwiddie is a scorer/creator and can be just as clutch as D. Russell. There are times where D Russell has to win with more than his scoring. I liked that he got to the line, that's very important. I liked some of his late game passes. HIs shots taken when he was hot was fine, he didn't force them. I don't encourage hero ball but that's not the same as calling your number because you're feeling it. And I think that's what he did last night. He played a solid game. And I don't even care about the TOs. The D will improve, the effort was there.

i like dinwiddie, but he isnt creating a ton of offense. DLO really doesnt have another consistent reliable scorer on the team. he HAS to play hero ball at times.

Levert stepping up would help. us drafting a scorer the next 2-3 years seems like a great idea too

To be clear, when I say heroball, I'm referring to contested low percentage shots very early in the clock. He never HAS to play that way.

[steady]

Still basking in greatness of KA seizing reins of team last night

Let’s see

Crabbe starting over Caris
Giving Zeller 17 minutes
Pulling players for bad shot selection!!
Pulling players for bad perimeter defense !!
Calling quick timeouts when team was spiraling!
Getting DAngelo back in good frame of mind

[MrDollarBills]

What bothers me about the backlash against Russell criticism is that it seems to come from 'he's good and young so he should get a pass for a couple years' Some people (including me) definitely overreact mid-game but Russell having potential to be really good is exactly why he shouldn't get a pass. I remember Kevin Durant a few years ago talking about how he looked at analytics and totally eliminated certain shots from his game. This is coming from the best offensive player on the planet who could literally do anything on the floor.

He should get a pass. he is 21 in a new system and producing as our best player other then maybe RHJ. its been 10 games. he gets dumped on any second he does anything wrong. he is averaging like 21/6/5 on 45+ from the field and all his efficiency numbers are up from last year (getting to the FT line mroe too). he also has been huge late in 3 of our 4 games.

e has ALOT to work on. his right hand, free throws, defensive intensity, and shot selection on the 3-ball.

but the kid is 21! yet somehow has a shorter leash then RHJ, Levert, or Crabbe who are all older (in in crabbes case older AND paid 3 times as much).

While I agree he has some hero-ball moments, he is also in a situation where there is not 1 other consistent reliable scorer/offense creator on the team, and some level of hero ball is required from him at times.

On another note, we should start every game going to Crabbe sets aggressively. When he moves without the ball hard, it really bends the defense and for the most part, he passes the ball quickly if he doesn't have a look. It gets the defense moving, the offense moving and everyone touches the ball. He was great yesterday.

I agree getting him involved early is important. He is kind of like lopez in that if you dont force it to him at times he gets complacent and is happy standing in the corner watching.

Next step for Crabbe is being aggressive when they put little guards on him. When Russell is hot, they're going to put bigger guards on him. Crabbe had Mike James on him at one point. He either needs to force those guards to fight through screens and shoot over them. Or post them up Klay Thompson style. Crabbe is so big that he'll probably spook the defense and draw a double. If not, it'll be a nice skill for him to develop. The way he shoots should be perfect for that.

Yeah, i want to see us use the same plan with used with RHJ last year. just tell him to attack anytime he has the ball and the jumper isnt there. throw yourself at the rim, go hero-ball if you need to. whatever it takes to get the volume reps in game. i want him taking 15 shots every night with half of those on off the dribble offense. yeah its gonna be ugly but thats how you improve. look at the massive strides RHJ takes now. anytime he drives it usually results in something good

He's the new whipping boy

We don't win last night without Russell going into attack mode in the 4th.

[MrDollarBills]

I think Dinwiddie is a scorer/creator and can be just as clutch as D. Russell. There are times where D Russell has to win with more than his scoring. I liked that he got to the line, that's very important. I liked some of his late game passes. HIs shots taken when he was hot was fine, he didn't force them. I don't encourage hero ball but that's not the same as calling your number because you're feeling it. And I think that's what he did last night. He played a solid game. And I don't even care about the TOs. The D will improve, the effort was there.

i like dinwiddie, but he isnt creating a ton of offense. DLO really doesnt have another consistent reliable scorer on the team. he HAS to play hero ball at times.

Levert stepping up would help. us drafting a scorer the next 2-3 years seems like a great idea too

To be clear, when I say heroball, I'm referring to contested low percentage shots very early in the clock. He never HAS to play that way.

agreed. Get the ball moving. rushed shots from anyone on this team shouldn't be tolerated. move the ball, get it back, attack.

[kamaze]

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