Are the Nets meeting your expectations this year?

[Ror1997]

Exceeding. Especially given the circumstances.

[Aussienet3]

I've experienced every single emotion over my 25+ years of following this team. This year has been no exception. lol. I tipped 38 wins I think. That was before the injuries kicked in. I was thinking we were due some luck on that front. To much Kool aid. I'm just counting down the wins we need to beat last years record. Everything is a plus for me from there.

Player wise. RHJ, LeVert, DMC, Dinwiddie, Harris and Zeller have impressed me. Crabbe, Acy and Moz have disappointed me.
Coaching wise Kenny has disappointed me somewhat with the lack of playing time for Okafor and Allen

[bws94]

Exceeded. Especially due to major injuries.

CLV is back on track after sophomore slump struggles. Dinwiddie exceeds expectations. RHJ is developing nicely. Harris has played well.

Below expectations is mostly Crabbe at this point. Mozgov as well.

Kenny has been OK, but still hasn't established a feel of the game. Guys play hard, not always smart.

[Prokorov]

My assessment of Crabbe isn't based on his contract but on his per 36 numbers this year compared to his career numbers. In general, Crabbe's percentages are down (39% vs 45% FG) (37% 3pt vs 40%) compared to his career. His points are slightly up but that's just because he's taking more shots. His rebounding is slightly up but everything else is similar. This is basically his worst year since his rookie year.

Same for Acy. Overall numbers look similar to last year but his % are down. He's shooting 31% FG, which is atrocious.

Of course, these aren't static judgments. Crabbe and Acy can improve and my assessments can change. But given this snapshot in time, I am disappointed in Crabbe and Acy. Acy is just a role player so I don't really care, but Crabbe was given free rein this year and he's shooting has been off.

37% is still a solid percentage from downtown. I kind of expected his shooting efficiency to dip with more shots. what I worry about is that we need to see him add more to his game overall, threes are fine but I need to see him actually add something to his offensive skill set. I think his defense has been pretty decent actually so that's a positive development. but we need more on offense, and we can't have him playing like he did last night versus Sacto. he is too good of a shooter to be firing up duds like that.

Yeah, to me, everything is relative to your own capabilities. So if RHJ is shooting 37% from downtown, that's awesome because it's a good percentage in general but also because RHJ is a sub 30% shooter. But Crabbe was the #2 3PT shooter in the league last year so 37% is not that great for him, even with the increase in shooting. Korver's 3pt % actually seemed to increase the more shots he took. Steph Curry is shooting 38% this year, which is good for most people, but not for Curry whose average is 44%.

But you're right that Crabbe's defense has been surprisingly decent given how bad he was last year on D.

its just not realistic to expect someone to take twice as many threes as before and not see his percentage drop. Also, while he shot 44% last year he is a 40% three point shooter for his career. last year was probably more of an outlier (in fact other then his rookie year where he only played 15 games he has only topped 40% from three one time. 3 of the past 4 seasons he has been under 40% from three).

expectations put on crabbe were unrealistic. if marks didnt pay him 4 times his worth no one would be expecting much from him and he would be getting the praise harris is

[Roy Tarpley]

37% is still a solid percentage from downtown. I kind of expected his shooting efficiency to dip with more shots. what I worry about is that we need to see him add more to his game overall, threes are fine but I need to see him actually add something to his offensive skill set. I think his defense has been pretty decent actually so that's a positive development. but we need more on offense, and we can't have him playing like he did last night versus Sacto. he is too good of a shooter to be firing up duds like that.

Yeah, to me, everything is relative to your own capabilities. So if RHJ is shooting 37% from downtown, that's awesome because it's a good percentage in general but also because RHJ is a sub 30% shooter. But Crabbe was the #2 3PT shooter in the league last year so 37% is not that great for him, even with the increase in shooting. Korver's 3pt % actually seemed to increase the more shots he took. Steph Curry is shooting 38% this year, which is good for most people, but not for Curry whose average is 44%.

But you're right that Crabbe's defense has been surprisingly decent given how bad he was last year on D.

its just not realistic to expect someone to take twice as many threes as before and not see his percentage drop. Also, while he shot 44% last year he is a 40% three point shooter for his career. last year was probably more of an outlier (in fact other then his rookie year where he only played 15 games he has only topped 40% from three one time. 3 of the past 4 seasons he has been under 40% from three).

expectations put on crabbe were unrealistic. if marks didnt pay him 4 times his worth no one would be expecting much from him and he would be getting the praise harris is

You're right about the 3pt shooting. Last year was more of an outlier for Crabbe and I think he's probably more of a 40% shooter, which makes 37% not all that off. But I'm also disappointed in his 2pt %, which is 43%, and way off from his career average of 49%.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, to me, everything is relative to your own capabilities. So if RHJ is shooting 37% from downtown, that's awesome because it's a good percentage in general but also because RHJ is a sub 30% shooter. But Crabbe was the #2 3PT shooter in the league last year so 37% is not that great for him, even with the increase in shooting. Korver's 3pt % actually seemed to increase the more shots he took. Steph Curry is shooting 38% this year, which is good for most people, but not for Curry whose average is 44%.

But you're right that Crabbe's defense has been surprisingly decent given how bad he was last year on D.

its just not realistic to expect someone to take twice as many threes as before and not see his percentage drop. Also, while he shot 44% last year he is a 40% three point shooter for his career. last year was probably more of an outlier (in fact other then his rookie year where he only played 15 games he has only topped 40% from three one time. 3 of the past 4 seasons he has been under 40% from three).

expectations put on crabbe were unrealistic. if marks didnt pay him 4 times his worth no one would be expecting much from him and he would be getting the praise harris is

You're right about the 3pt shooting. Last year was more of an outlier for Crabbe and I think he's probably more of a 40% shooter, which makes 37% not all that off. But I'm also disappointed in his 2pt %, which is 43%, and way off from his career average of 49%.

He is asked to take shots he hasnt in the past/isnt good at. thats going to result in a dip in FG%. thats true anytime you ask someone to do something they arent good at

[Andy123]

So the game threads have spiraled a bit so im making a seperate thread for this. Heavy criticism for Atkinson during the current 4 game slide. Sentiment is that he should make win now moves and not worry so much about development (i.e. riding guys struggling late in close games, holding out okafor, etc)

But yet we stand here today and:

-The team is on pace to win over 40% more games then last year (20 wins last year, 31 win pace this year)
-RHJ, Dinwiddie, and Levert have shown solid to remarkable improvement this season
-In the predictions thread, the mean was 34 wins )media sources all predicted 29 wins, lin fans represtend 40 plus wins predictions
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So my question is this:

What where your expectations for this team coming in and are they being met from both a competitive W/L standpoint and from a player improvement standpoint.

Very satisfied team is down starters and we still win anyone who criticizes Atkinson ask too much.
To add current record is expectation if we have full team since we don't this exceeds expectation .

[Netaman]

I'd say they're hitting expectations, however, the injuries to the starting backcourt were obviously unexpected so it's impressive they've been as good as they have. Marks has almost impossibly upgraded the overally talent - with all young players - across the board from year 1 to year 2. This time last year Randy Foye and Whitehead were the starting backcourt.

Dinwiddie and RHJ are far and away exceeding expectations. RHJ looks like he has found his niche and he's crash 2.0. That's a massive bankable win from this season whether he continues to improve and become a core piece or a tradeable asset down the road when the team is ready to make their "Kyrie trade". Dinwiddie is a huge unknown, but his ball security, passing, and defense have always been consistent so at worst he's a really good backup. He's first in line in terms of who they should try to extend on a team friendly deal (I believe that can't happen until next December).

Levert and Allen are I'd say both on track. Recently Levert has exceeded expectations but prior he started the year real slow. Allen flashes which is probably all we expected since he's a very young rookie big man. Both look like great picks for non-lotto and guys who will play multi-dimensional roles going forward.

Among the vets Carroll and Zeller are exceeding expectations. Crabbe has underwhelmed offensively and xceeded expectations defensively but there's still time. He had a really good November before this team-wide December shooting slump, if he can sustain those numbers in the second half and get up around 14-15 ppg that will be a really solid development. I think the most hopeful projections for him were always Korver/Hawks, and to do that he's going to have to get his %'s back up with the higher volume.

Acy and Mozgov suck. Acy's shooting always seemed like a fluke. Mozgov has moments where does things that used to be important for centers, but in the new NBA just doesn't have a meaningful role. Hopefully Okafor and Sauce can take their minutes over the 2nd half of the season.

In terms of staff I'd say Atkinson is meeting expectations. It would be great to see the offense and defense both a little more consistent, especially the D since they have pretty good defenders across the board with DLo hurt. And as mentioned above, Marks is probably in the exceeding expectations category when you look at the big picture. I think there's enough talent on this roster that they'd only need to make some slight tweaks in the offseason (depending on how Okafor looks, maybe swap him out for a different higher-upsde big man) to come back with 40 win expectations next year - and almost everyone is under 24 years old.

[Curns13]

I’m one of those annoying people who don’t really give a **** about wins and losses. Like last year, my expectations are on individual players and most are far exceeding what I hope would happen.

I am one of RHJ’s biggest fans here and even I didn’t see him getting to this level this year. I thought his ceiling before this season was 4/5th best guy on a good team, a solid starter. Now I really think there is a chance he could be an all-star one day. Huge inprovements with one or more leaps to come.

Dinwiddie has been unreal. He’s been with the team less than a year and has gone from D-Leaguer to fringe starter/awesome backup pg.

LeVert started real slow, but has looked great this last month. Again, looks like he’ll have a career as a starter in this league for a long time.

I never said Harris was a bum or hopeless, but I also didn’t think he’d be this good.

Allen is progressing fine, Zeller has been a very pleasant surprise, DMC is as good as he was in Atlanta (AND WE GOT 2 PICKS!!!)

Overall, I’m **** ecstatic!

I wish we had an extra 2 or 3 wins, but ultimately that doesn’t matter. Last year we lost our 2nd best player and only got to 10 wins in March. This year we’ve lost our 2 best players and have 12 wins before Christmas!

[Palmeirense]

I predicted 33 wins, and i was not taking into account significant injuries such as the ones that happened with Lin and DLo, so yeah, they are meeting and even perhaps exceeding my expectations.

With that being said, it is still frustrating when games such as the raps game happen. Luckily those games are an anomaly this season thus far.

[ChokeFasncists]

Doing great, considering that our two best players are out, losing SKil and Booker does have really bad short term impact, we were only able to beat the Wiz after the trade.

There is a lot of talents, especially young ones, on this team. Just some really bad luck. Another year of development. One can only hope that the tide turns for next season.

(really disappointed that Moz hasn't been more effective, that's a lot of salaries there and he's probably not getting much better?)