GT: Milwaukee (28-23) vs Nets (19-34), Sunday, 02/04/18, 12:00pm

[LKIRNets]

B/c we add talent.

That talent is not worth the hit that would put on our financial flexibility in 2019 .

Perhaps Sean, Trajan believe they could find ways to move Mozgov, Crabbe before that becomes a serious issue.

The real issue would be figuring out how to retain Winslow, Okafor to respectable figures.


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On point.

[MrDollarBills]

Totally missed this one since I was on the road for most of the day. Looks like I didn't miss much.

[MrDollarBills]

B/c we add talent.

That talent is not worth the hit that would put on our financial flexibility in 2019 .

Perhaps Sean, Trajan believe they could find ways to move Mozgov, Crabbe before that becomes a serious issue.

The real issue would be figuring out how to retain Winslow, Okafor to respectable figures.


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Agreed. we would need to shed salary. If you're telling me we can get Winslow and Johnson for Carroll you have to consider it. We cannot turn our nose up at talent especially young talent

[steady]

That talent is not worth the hit that would put on our financial flexibility in 2019 .

Perhaps Sean, Trajan believe they could find ways to move Mozgov, Crabbe before that becomes a serious issue.

The real issue would be figuring out how to retain Winslow, Okafor to respectable figures.


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Agreed. we would need to shed salary. If you're telling me we can get Winslow and Johnson for Carroll you have to consider it. We cannot turn our nose up at talent especially young talent

Again if we were talking about picks or Adebayo, this would be a differebt story. But we’re not

We are talking about taking on a bad contract ($19.6 m per year) with a player option no less for 2019 - 2020 when cap space is going to be critical for team

For a player in TJ who plays a position (1-2) which is our most loaded position. And Winslow who most consider disappointing

We would need to consider it - and I’m first still doubtful that Heat make offer because of how important TJ is to them - but even if offer made I do not take it

[MrDollarBills]

Perhaps Sean, Trajan believe they could find ways to move Mozgov, Crabbe before that becomes a serious issue.

The real issue would be figuring out how to retain Winslow, Okafor to respectable figures.


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Agreed. we would need to shed salary. If you're telling me we can get Winslow and Johnson for Carroll you have to consider it. We cannot turn our nose up at talent especially young talent

Again if we were talking about picks or Adebayo, this would be a differebt story. But we’re not

We are talking about taking on a bad contract ($19.6 m per year) with a player option no less for 2019 - 2020 when cap space is going to be critical for team

For a player in TJ who plays a position (1-2) which is our most loaded position. And Winslow who most consider disappointing

We would need to consider it - and I’m first still doubtful that Heat make offer because of how important TJ is to them - but even if offer made I do not take it

Fair enough. I don't blame anyone who is uneasy about the back end cash. I would only be for it if we can cut down salary (meaning getting Mozgov's contract off of the books).

[SpeedyG]

Yeah, I think at this point, if we're going to trade DMC or Dinwiddie, it needs to be a draft pick or someone who is still in their 1st or 2nd year contract years. Part of what we want to do is to acquire talent to develop, but we need time to develop these players. I think Winslow can still be salvaged, but he's in the same boat as Russell and Rondae contractually. This means we'll have, essentially 1.5 season to develop him (and bulk of improvement is done through off-season, so we only get 1 of that with him) before he hits his RFA year and we have to pay him. Not to mention, since he's same year as Russell and Rondae, that potentially gives us three guys all hitting RFA at the same time that we're not 100% sure is our core moving forward. We all might like them enough, and think they'll continue to develop, but chances are there will still be questions in their game before this contract situation comes up.

Add that TYler's contract pretty much prevents us from keeping Spencer, and I don't think it's worth it.

That's not even factoring in Okafor, who is also in somewhat similar boat (not RFA, but we can only pay him $6M next season), so we can develop all 4 to the point we've seen improvement from their respective starts but at the same time not 100% sure what their cielings are...or if they gel together.

[MrDollarBills]

hm...yeah I didn't think about that.

I'm against the trade now. I'll take winslow and expiring cash or hard pass.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, I think at this point, if we're going to trade DMC or Dinwiddie, it needs to be a draft pick or someone who is still in their 1st or 2nd year contract years. Part of what we want to do is to acquire talent to develop, but we need time to develop these players. I think Winslow can still be salvaged, but he's in the same boat as Russell and Rondae contractually. This means we'll have, essentially 1.5 season to develop him (and bulk of improvement is done through off-season, so we only get 1 of that with him) before he hits his RFA year and we have to pay him. Not to mention, since he's same year as Russell and Rondae, that potentially gives us three guys all hitting RFA at the same time that we're not 100% sure is our core moving forward. We all might like them enough, and think they'll continue to develop, but chances are there will still be questions in their game before this contract situation comes up.

Add that TYler's contract pretty much prevents us from keeping Spencer, and I don't think it's worth it.

That's not even factoring in Okafor, who is also in somewhat similar boat (not RFA, but we can only pay him $6M next season), so we can develop all 4 to the point we've seen improvement from their respective starts but at the same time not 100% sure what their cielings are...or if they gel together.

At this point, neither Russell or RHJ merit near max contracts. If you're giving a guy that amount of money, you need to be confident that they will turn into at least a borderline star player.

Seeing how Marks gave TJ, Crabbe, OPJ, and Asik significant offer sheets without batting an eye makes me a but worried about what will happen next year starting in October (the deadline for extending rookie scale contracts).

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[steady]

Yeah, I think at this point, if we're going to trade DMC or Dinwiddie, it needs to be a draft pick or someone who is still in their 1st or 2nd year contract years. Part of what we want to do is to acquire talent to develop, but we need time to develop these players. I think Winslow can still be salvaged, but he's in the same boat as Russell and Rondae contractually. This means we'll have, essentially 1.5 season to develop him (and bulk of improvement is done through off-season, so we only get 1 of that with him) before he hits his RFA year and we have to pay him. Not to mention, since he's same year as Russell and Rondae, that potentially gives us three guys all hitting RFA at the same time that we're not 100% sure is our core moving forward. We all might like them enough, and think they'll continue to develop, but chances are there will still be questions in their game before this contract situation comes up.

Add that TYler's contract pretty much prevents us from keeping Spencer, and I don't think it's worth it.

That's not even factoring in Okafor, who is also in somewhat similar boat (not RFA, but we can only pay him $6M next season), so we can develop all 4 to the point we've seen improvement from their respective starts but at the same time not 100% sure what their cielings are...or if they gel together.

At this point, neither Russell or RHJ merit near max contracts. If you're giving a guy that amount of money, you need to be confident that they will turn into at least a borderline star player.

Seeing how Marks gave TJ, Crabbe, OPJ, and Asik significant offer sheets without batting an eye makes me a but worried about what will happen next year starting in October (the deadline for extending rookie scale contracts).

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Not Asik. Montiejunas.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah, I think at this point, if we're going to trade DMC or Dinwiddie, it needs to be a draft pick or someone who is still in their 1st or 2nd year contract years. Part of what we want to do is to acquire talent to develop, but we need time to develop these players. I think Winslow can still be salvaged, but he's in the same boat as Russell and Rondae contractually. This means we'll have, essentially 1.5 season to develop him (and bulk of improvement is done through off-season, so we only get 1 of that with him) before he hits his RFA year and we have to pay him. Not to mention, since he's same year as Russell and Rondae, that potentially gives us three guys all hitting RFA at the same time that we're not 100% sure is our core moving forward. We all might like them enough, and think they'll continue to develop, but chances are there will still be questions in their game before this contract situation comes up.

Add that TYler's contract pretty much prevents us from keeping Spencer, and I don't think it's worth it.

That's not even factoring in Okafor, who is also in somewhat similar boat (not RFA, but we can only pay him $6M next season), so we can develop all 4 to the point we've seen improvement from their respective starts but at the same time not 100% sure what their cielings are...or if they gel together.

At this point, neither Russell or RHJ merit near max contracts. If you're giving a guy that amount of money, you need to be confident that they will turn into at least a borderline star player.

Seeing how Marks gave TJ, Crabbe, OPJ, and Asik significant offer sheets without batting an eye makes me a but worried about what will happen next year starting in October (the deadline for extending rookie scale contracts).

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Not Asik. Montiejunas.

You know what? I knew I was wrong but was too lazy to look it up. Thanks...

[SpeedyG]

Yeah, I think at this point, if we're going to trade DMC or Dinwiddie, it needs to be a draft pick or someone who is still in their 1st or 2nd year contract years. Part of what we want to do is to acquire talent to develop, but we need time to develop these players. I think Winslow can still be salvaged, but he's in the same boat as Russell and Rondae contractually. This means we'll have, essentially 1.5 season to develop him (and bulk of improvement is done through off-season, so we only get 1 of that with him) before he hits his RFA year and we have to pay him. Not to mention, since he's same year as Russell and Rondae, that potentially gives us three guys all hitting RFA at the same time that we're not 100% sure is our core moving forward. We all might like them enough, and think they'll continue to develop, but chances are there will still be questions in their game before this contract situation comes up.

Add that TYler's contract pretty much prevents us from keeping Spencer, and I don't think it's worth it.

That's not even factoring in Okafor, who is also in somewhat similar boat (not RFA, but we can only pay him $6M next season), so we can develop all 4 to the point we've seen improvement from their respective starts but at the same time not 100% sure what their cielings are...or if they gel together.

At this point, neither Russell or RHJ merit near max contracts. If you're giving a guy that amount of money, you need to be confident that they will turn into at least a borderline star player.

Seeing how Marks gave TJ, Crabbe, OPJ, and Asik significant offer sheets without batting an eye makes me a but worried about what will happen next year starting in October (the deadline for extending rookie scale contracts).

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It's definitely a concern. Its going to be interesting to see how he plays it out. One of the things I' know people have said, wait till RFA, and let the market dictate before resigning these guys, which will allow to keep their cap hold low and perhaps give us an opportunity to sign some FA before having to sign these guys.

But there's a sneaky suspicion in me that some of the teams in the league, a few who have openly griped about Sean's strategy of poison pilling and going after RFA hard, would just absolutely LOOOVE the opportunity to offer the same type of deals to OUR RFAs.

Like you said, personally myself, I don't think either Dlo or Rondae have merit a max contract yet. Both will basically earn one on "potential" still. Which won't leave us much choice, either we extend them to a contract that is beneficial to both parties (thus capping us out) or run the risk of some other team poison-pilling us to an even more worse fate.

The way Sean has built this team, we're kindaaaaa at the door, but at the same time we're kinda not yet. And how he approach this deadline and off-season will dictate which way we go.

[JoseRizal]

If I were Marks, I would sell high. None of our players at this point is indispensible save for Allen which at 19yo is progressing really well and would fit our timeline when we're competitive enough.

Having all our 1st round picks beginning 2019 will justify this direction.

I think our "current" overperformance really stems out on the fact that our player development staff as well as Atkinson are really doing wonders in that aspect.

Let's wait at having an opportunity to draft real studs and not lock ourselves up with C/D/E talent.

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, I think at this point, if we're going to trade DMC or Dinwiddie, it needs to be a draft pick or someone who is still in their 1st or 2nd year contract years. Part of what we want to do is to acquire talent to develop, but we need time to develop these players. I think Winslow can still be salvaged, but he's in the same boat as Russell and Rondae contractually. This means we'll have, essentially 1.5 season to develop him (and bulk of improvement is done through off-season, so we only get 1 of that with him) before he hits his RFA year and we have to pay him. Not to mention, since he's same year as Russell and Rondae, that potentially gives us three guys all hitting RFA at the same time that we're not 100% sure is our core moving forward. We all might like them enough, and think they'll continue to develop, but chances are there will still be questions in their game before this contract situation comes up.

Add that TYler's contract pretty much prevents us from keeping Spencer, and I don't think it's worth it.

That's not even factoring in Okafor, who is also in somewhat similar boat (not RFA, but we can only pay him $6M next season), so we can develop all 4 to the point we've seen improvement from their respective starts but at the same time not 100% sure what their cielings are...or if they gel together.

At this point, neither Russell or RHJ merit near max contracts. If you're giving a guy that amount of money, you need to be confident that they will turn into at least a borderline star player.

Seeing how Marks gave TJ, Crabbe, OPJ, and Asik significant offer sheets without batting an eye makes me a but worried about what will happen next year starting in October (the deadline for extending rookie scale contracts).

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It's definitely a concern. Its going to be interesting to see how he plays it out. One of the things I' know people have said, wait till RFA, and let the market dictate before resigning these guys, which will allow to keep their cap hold low and perhaps give us an opportunity to sign some FA before having to sign these guys.

But there's a sneaky suspicion in me that some of the teams in the league, a few who have openly griped about Sean's strategy of poison pilling and going after RFA hard, would just absolutely LOOOVE the opportunity to offer the same type of deals to OUR RFAs.

Like you said, personally myself, I don't think either Dlo or Rondae have merit a max contract yet. Both will basically earn one on "potential" still. Which won't leave us much choice, either we extend them to a contract that is beneficial to both parties (thus capping us out) or run the risk of some other team poison-pilling us to an even more worse fate.

The way Sean has built this team, we're kindaaaaa at the door, but at the same time we're kinda not yet. And how he approach this deadline and off-season will dictate which way we go.

I have a feeling some teams may try to **** on Marks in Restricted Free Agency. Give him a taste of his own medicine.

and it will be at that point, we'll find out who is really valued, and who isn't. and the teams who try to **** on Marks will be the ones getting owned if they overpay on a player the Nets can afford to walk away from.

and i love all of these young guys. but i understand.

i think there is a method to what Marks does, and he also plans for the future. and he knows whats coming.

[MrDollarBills]

If I were Marks, I would sell high. None of our players at this point is indispensible save for Allen which at 19yo is progressing really well and would fit our timeline when we're competitive enough.

Having all our 1st round picks beginning 2019 will justify this direction.

I think our "current" overperformance really stems out on the fact that our player development staff as well as Atkinson are really doing wonders in that aspect.

Let's wait at having an opportunity to draft real studs and not lock ourselves up with C/D/E talent.

Right now the Nets are positioned to either stay where they are, or flip assets.

everything is working just fine. i like that you recognize Allen as the untouchable. i see that too.

[Keith Van Horn]

Totally missed this one since I was on the road for most of the day. Looks like I didn't miss much.

same here. and since it's the Bucks, a team we just don't match up well with at all, I barely bothered to check the score. And when I did, we were down by 22 in the second quarter lol.

[MrDollarBills]

Totally missed this one since I was on the road for most of the day. Looks like I didn't miss much.

same here. and since it's the Bucks, a team we just don't match up well with at all, I barely bothered to check the score. And when I did, we were down by 22 in the second quarter lol.

The Nets need all star break to come badly. They've been going down big in our recent games. Time for some recuperation and refocusing.

It seemed like we were on a path towards at least hitting 30 games, but we've lost 7 out of the last 10 games. we'd have to go 11-17 from here on out to do it.

[13th Man]

If I were Marks, I would sell high. None of our players at this point is indispensible save for Allen which at 19yo is progressing really well and would fit our timeline when we're competitive enough.

Having all our 1st round picks beginning 2019 will justify this direction.

I think our "current" overperformance really stems out on the fact that our player development staff as well as Atkinson are really doing wonders in that aspect.

Let's wait at having an opportunity to draft real studs and not lock ourselves up with C/D/E talent.

Agreed, the Nets need to gain some picks to pick up young studs like Levert and Allen.

Despite everybody getting on Lin for his contract, the 2 big contracts that are handicapping this team are Mozgov and Crabbe, they both make close to 20M and will be around for 2 more years. Taking on Mozgov was necessary to gain Dlo and the Allen pick but Crabbe was just a terrible trade, should've just played out Nicholson's contract.

Ironically, the guys that have been helping out this team most have been the guys making the least. Dinwiddie, RHJ, Levert, Allen, Harris. The problem is that the guys that are paid the big bucks are not playing up to their contact, in hindsight would have been better to have future picks instead.

The beginning of next season will be crucial to see if this team can make a playoff run, if not then time to offload some contracts for future picks even if that means the vets like DMC and Lin. Unfortunately, this is where the Nets stand, the true rebuild happens not only when they get their picks back but also are able to expire the bad contracts.

[13th Man]

Perhaps Sean, Trajan believe they could find ways to move Mozgov, Crabbe before that becomes a serious issue.

The real issue would be figuring out how to retain Winslow, Okafor to respectable figures.


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Agreed. we would need to shed salary. If you're telling me we can get Winslow and Johnson for Carroll you have to consider it. We cannot turn our nose up at talent especially young talent

Again if we were talking about picks or Adebayo, this would be a differebt story. But we’re not

We are talking about taking on a bad contract ($19.6 m per year) with a player option no less for 2019 - 2020 when cap space is going to be critical for team

For a player in TJ who plays a position (1-2) which is our most loaded position. And Winslow who most consider disappointing

We would need to consider it - and I’m first still doubtful that Heat make offer because of how important TJ is to them - but even if offer made I do not take it

I wouldn't take this either and it has nothing to do with Lin, the Nets need to get rid of these 20M contracts not pick up more of them. TJ is a good player but the Nets need him as much as they need Crabbe.

[Yit]

Tracking Players performance vs Bucks 4 Feb 2018

CLV - 32 (++)
Allen - 22 (=)
DMC - 19 (-)
Dinwiddie - 17 (-)
Acy - 14 (-)
Okafor - 14 (=)
Crabbe - 13 (-)
Harris -13 (=)
DAR - 9 (-)
Stauskas - 9 (-)
Webb - 6 (-)