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Who'd You Rather, 2019 FA Edition

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Which Do You Choose?

Butler (age 29, $33mil)
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Irving (age 27, $33mil)
2
9%
Porzingis (age 23, $27mil)
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14%
Leonard (age 28, $33mil)
12
55%
Durant (age 30, $39mil)
5
23%
 
Total votes: 22

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Re: Who'd You Rather, 2019 FA Edition 

Post#61 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:58 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Irving is in the clip saying "It was supposed to go to Al". If you watch the footage of what happened before this, you can visibly see Irving bitching at Brad Stevens about the play call.

Either way, I'm probably alone on this but this situation just really doesn't do much to change my opinion that I'm not as high on Kyrie Irving as the rest of you are. This is toxic behavior on display. I don't think anyone here would tolerate this from any current Nets player, especially if D'Angelo Russell behaved like this. I'll pass.


i applaud it. i want guys who care about winning and losing and hold teammates and coaches accountable and i dont mind the emotion.

I have to agree with you guys, Kyrie seems like he's a little spoiled child. Didn't want to be Lebron's sidekick for whatever reason even though that team was guaranteed a finals trip every year. Have a great young team in Boston and great coach and still isn't happy and calls guys out, what the hell does this guy want? Definitely a great talent to have but I don't know if he's a winner . Celtics was 1 game away from the Finals without him last year. Kemba>Kyrie ??
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Post#62 » by Prokorov » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:20 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Irving is in the clip saying "It was supposed to go to Al". If you watch the footage of what happened before this, you can visibly see Irving bitching at Brad Stevens about the play call.

Either way, I'm probably alone on this but this situation just really doesn't do much to change my opinion that I'm not as high on Kyrie Irving as the rest of you are. This is toxic behavior on display. I don't think anyone here would tolerate this from any current Nets player, especially if D'Angelo Russell behaved like this. I'll pass.


i applaud it. i want guys who care about winning and losing and hold teammates and coaches accountable and i dont mind the emotion.

I have to agree with you guys, Kyrie seems like he's a little spoiled child. Didn't want to be Lebron's sidekick for whatever reason even though that team was guaranteed a finals trip every year. Have a great young team in Boston and great coach and still isn't happy and calls guys out, what the hell does this guy want? Definitely a great talent to have but I don't know if he's a winner . Celtics was 1 game away from the Finals without him last year. Kemba>Kyrie ??



He wants to play in a place of his choosing. he didnt want to come to boston. i know this for a fact. he didnt want to play with lebron, thats something alot of guys grow tired of.

he will be a knick or a net or maybe a sixer next year... that would be my guess, and he will go back to being the guy he was in cleveland, who you never heard a peep from

ill tell you another thing, living here in boston, the celtics young guys have enormous egos... and part of it is the fans/media crowing those guys superstars. forget tatum you had people saying they wouldnt include rozier in a deal for AD...

put yourself in kyries shoes... you won a title... 4 straight finals trips. you KNOW what it takes to win. you get traded to a place you did NOT want to be, and when you get their you have these young guys peacocking like they know what winning is about because of some ECF run? thinking they are superstars? then you watch an these guys cost you some games trying to be kobe?

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Re: Who'd You Rather, 2019 FA Edition 

Post#63 » by shakendfries » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:35 pm

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So before you get on your soapbox all about how KD is bad because he doesn't kiss the media's ass



not a single person said KD is bad. not a single person said KD wasnt a top 3 player/superstar.

Fact: Kawhi is 4 years younger
Fact: Kawhi's max is about 6-8 million per year less then Durant's max

riddle me this- do you think Kawhi has more experience playing alongside all-NBA talents and pushing them to greatness, something that can help Dlo and Caris reach the next level, or KD, who's played with Harden, Westbrook, Klay, and Steph?


I mean, Kawhi played alongside a top 10 player all-time in Tim Duncan, played for arguably the greatest coach of all-time in popovich. and he played in the same system/culture that the nets have here in brooklyn.

KAwhi is the clear choice over durant as a free agent. it isnt even remotely debatable


KAwhi can't hold a torch to Durant on his worst day. Kawhi is playing at his optimal efficiency right now in Toronto and still isn't an MVP favorite.

Durant has been a top 3 player in the NBA for the better part of the past decade. If you have to compare the two players now, Durant is better. If you have to compare the two players in the past, Durant is better. If you want to theorize over the next four years, barring some deron williams i got my money now idgaf, Durant will probably continue being the better individual player until he retires.

Keep in mind, if you put KD on the Nets, we'd probably jump to the top of the conference. He can space the floor and score at will on any spot on the court, he can pass, defensively - players can't shoot over him, so they'd be funneled into Jarret Allen's paint off switches.

Kawhi is cheaper than KD, but if you're comparing the two players I don't see any argument that makes sense unless you're banking on Durant mailing it in or falling off the cliff due to age, but Durant can score like Dirk - his game should age pretty well
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Re: Who'd You Rather, 2019 FA Edition 

Post#64 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:56 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
i applaud it. i want guys who care about winning and losing and hold teammates and coaches accountable and i dont mind the emotion.

I have to agree with you guys, Kyrie seems like he's a little spoiled child. Didn't want to be Lebron's sidekick for whatever reason even though that team was guaranteed a finals trip every year. Have a great young team in Boston and great coach and still isn't happy and calls guys out, what the hell does this guy want? Definitely a great talent to have but I don't know if he's a winner . Celtics was 1 game away from the Finals without him last year. Kemba>Kyrie ??



He wants to play in a place of his choosing. he didnt want to come to boston. i know this for a fact. he didnt want to play with lebron, thats something alot of guys grow tired of.

he will be a knick or a net or maybe a sixer next year... that would be my guess, and he will go back to being the guy he was in cleveland, who you never heard a peep from

ill tell you another thing, living here in boston, the celtics young guys have enormous egos... and part of it is the fans/media crowing those guys superstars. forget tatum you had people saying they wouldnt include rozier in a deal for AD...

put yourself in kyries shoes... you won a title... 4 straight finals trips. you KNOW what it takes to win. you get traded to a place you did NOT want to be, and when you get their you have these young guys peacocking like they know what winning is about because of some ECF run? thinking they are superstars? then you watch an these guys cost you some games trying to be kobe?

nah

Quick question Prok, do u work for the NBA or know ppl that do? U seem to know more than the regular fans. You make good points, I don't think Kyrie ever really wanted to be there but he sounded like he did when he made some of those statements in the past, like this past off season he said something like he will re sign which made a lot of Celtics fans on here sure that he's coming back. In my opinion, I don't see a much better team for Kyrie, other than Sixers, but to me Boston seems like the best team for him to win. Knicks are going to be Knicks, maybe us but Celtics just seem to have pieces at every position and a top coach.

Maybe you know more, but I don't get that vibe with Tatum or Brown, I could be wrong because I don't know them but I don't see them acting like Kobe in games, I see that more from Kyrie who can be a big chucker at times.I understand what Kyrie is saying, but he also needs to check himself, he hasn't been playing perfect either. They're just not playing like a team and it seems like they have some in house problems, we seen last week Brown and Morris got into it. Either way I'm enjoying them crumble and I hope Kyrie leaves, but I'm not 100% sure if I want him here. Who would u rather, Kyrie or Kemba?
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Post#65 » by Prokorov » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:20 pm

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So before you get on your soapbox all about how KD is bad because he doesn't kiss the media's ass



not a single person said KD is bad. not a single person said KD wasnt a top 3 player/superstar.

Fact: Kawhi is 4 years younger
Fact: Kawhi's max is about 6-8 million per year less then Durant's max

riddle me this- do you think Kawhi has more experience playing alongside all-NBA talents and pushing them to greatness, something that can help Dlo and Caris reach the next level, or KD, who's played with Harden, Westbrook, Klay, and Steph?


I mean, Kawhi played alongside a top 10 player all-time in Tim Duncan, played for arguably the greatest coach of all-time in popovich. and he played in the same system/culture that the nets have here in brooklyn.

KAwhi is the clear choice over durant as a free agent. it isnt even remotely debatable


KAwhi can't hold a torch to Durant on his worst day. Kawhi is playing at his optimal efficiency right now in Toronto and still isn't an MVP favorite.

Durant has been a top 3 player in the NBA for the better part of the past decade. If you have to compare the two players now, Durant is better. If you have to compare the two players in the past, Durant is better. If you want to theorize over the next four years, barring some deron williams i got my money now idgaf, Durant will probably continue being the better individual player until he retires.

Keep in mind, if you put KD on the Nets, we'd probably jump to the top of the conference. He can space the floor and score at will on any spot on the court, he can pass, defensively - players can't shoot over him, so they'd be funneled into Jarret Allen's paint off switches.

Kawhi is cheaper than KD, but if you're comparing the two players I don't see any argument that makes sense unless you're banking on Durant mailing it in or falling off the cliff due to age, but Durant can score like Dirk - his game should age pretty well


1) Kawhi is 100% a top 3 MVP candidate
2) he is certainylu better then KD on KDs worst day
3) of course him being 4 years younger is a MAJOR factor
4) of course him being 6-8 million cheaper is a MAJOR factor
5) of course kawhi is a better defender then KD
6) KAwhi doesnt need the ball as much as KD, and is a natural fit in our offense

then throw in KD is mentally weak and he may have issues in the NY media market

its isnt even remotely close or debateable. Kawhi is a much better FA target
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Post#66 » by Prokorov » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:23 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:I have to agree with you guys, Kyrie seems like he's a little spoiled child. Didn't want to be Lebron's sidekick for whatever reason even though that team was guaranteed a finals trip every year. Have a great young team in Boston and great coach and still isn't happy and calls guys out, what the hell does this guy want? Definitely a great talent to have but I don't know if he's a winner . Celtics was 1 game away from the Finals without him last year. Kemba>Kyrie ??



He wants to play in a place of his choosing. he didnt want to come to boston. i know this for a fact. he didnt want to play with lebron, thats something alot of guys grow tired of.

he will be a knick or a net or maybe a sixer next year... that would be my guess, and he will go back to being the guy he was in cleveland, who you never heard a peep from

ill tell you another thing, living here in boston, the celtics young guys have enormous egos... and part of it is the fans/media crowing those guys superstars. forget tatum you had people saying they wouldnt include rozier in a deal for AD...

put yourself in kyries shoes... you won a title... 4 straight finals trips. you KNOW what it takes to win. you get traded to a place you did NOT want to be, and when you get their you have these young guys peacocking like they know what winning is about because of some ECF run? thinking they are superstars? then you watch an these guys cost you some games trying to be kobe?

nah

Quick question Prok, do u work for the NBA or know ppl that do? U seem to know more than the regular fans. You make good points, I don't think Kyrie ever really wanted to be there but he sounded like he did when he made some of those statements in the past, like this past off season he said something like he will re sign which made a lot of Celtics fans on here sure that he's coming back. In my opinion, I don't see a much better team for Kyrie, other than Sixers, but to me Boston seems like the best team for him to win. Knicks are going to be Knicks, maybe us but Celtics just seem to have pieces at every position and a top coach.

Maybe you know more, but I don't get that vibe with Tatum or Brown, I could be wrong because I don't know them but I don't see them acting like Kobe in games, I see that more from Kyrie who can be a big chucker at times.I understand what Kyrie is saying, but he also needs to check himself, he hasn't been playing perfect either. They're just not playing like a team and it seems like they have some in house problems, we seen last week Brown and Morris got into it. Either way I'm enjoying them crumble and I hope Kyrie leaves, but I'm not 100% sure if I want him here. Who would u rather, Kyrie or Kemba?


im not some insider nor do i know anyone inside the celtics locker room. i know people who in production for the celtics, who also dont have any insider info. this is all just my opionions and opinions of those closer to the team then i am (although not insiders by any means). The non green-team celtic fans will give it to you straight. Tatum has an ego. brown is quiet, but yu get the feeling he feels slighted with a diminished role with heyward back.

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Post#67 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:03 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Irving is in the clip saying "It was supposed to go to Al". If you watch the footage of what happened before this, you can visibly see Irving bitching at Brad Stevens about the play call.

Either way, I'm probably alone on this but this situation just really doesn't do much to change my opinion that I'm not as high on Kyrie Irving as the rest of you are. This is toxic behavior on display. I don't think anyone here would tolerate this from any current Nets player, especially if D'Angelo Russell behaved like this. I'll pass.

Actually I don't think it's a big deal at all and is/will be completely overblown in relation to his looming free agency and the Celtics as a team.

He's a fierce competitor and the obvious best player, best playmaker and best passer on the team and in the heat of the moment lost his $hit because Hayward decided to pull a Peyton Manning and audible out of a play called by both a great coach and great player, resulting in a terrible last shot opportunity.


If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.
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Post#68 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:26 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Irving is in the clip saying "It was supposed to go to Al". If you watch the footage of what happened before this, you can visibly see Irving bitching at Brad Stevens about the play call.

Either way, I'm probably alone on this but this situation just really doesn't do much to change my opinion that I'm not as high on Kyrie Irving as the rest of you are. This is toxic behavior on display. I don't think anyone here would tolerate this from any current Nets player, especially if D'Angelo Russell behaved like this. I'll pass.

Actually I don't think it's a big deal at all and is/will be completely overblown in relation to his looming free agency and the Celtics as a team.

He's a fierce competitor and the obvious best player, best playmaker and best passer on the team and in the heat of the moment lost his $hit because Hayward decided to pull a Peyton Manning and audible out of a play called by both a great coach and great player, resulting in a terrible last shot opportunity.


If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.
D'Angelo Russell is nowhere near Kyrie's level. When you're a certain level of good (all star/superstar), you have more of a right to say stuff. If D Lo starts calling out his teammates, it won't feel earned because he's not good enough in the first place.
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Post#69 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:26 pm

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DarkXaero wrote:Every once in a while, you have some absolutely horrific takes and this is one of them. Mirotic would be a terrific fit for us, and he's a good player. Arguing otherwise makes you look like someone with a strong, misplaced agenda.


Mirotic is trash and incapable of playing defense. He's in the Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love mold of useless basketball players. Yes he can space the floor sometimes, but his liability on defense leaves him unplayable on a team trying to build an identity around limiting dribble penetration and defending the paint.

We literally watched years of Lopez being too slow footed to fight for rebounds- that brand of basketball sucks.


at least love can post up and anderson for a while could get by a defender. mirotic does nothing with the ball and cant defend any position let alone switch onto a small

Kurucs is already better
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Post#70 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:31 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Actually I don't think it's a big deal at all and is/will be completely overblown in relation to his looming free agency and the Celtics as a team.

He's a fierce competitor and the obvious best player, best playmaker and best passer on the team and in the heat of the moment lost his $hit because Hayward decided to pull a Peyton Manning and audible out of a play called by both a great coach and great player, resulting in a terrible last shot opportunity.


If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.
D'Angelo Russell is nowhere near Kyrie's level. When you're a certain level of good (all star/superstar), you have more of a right to say stuff. If D Lo starts calling out his teammates, it won't feel earned because he's not good enough in the first place.


So you're perfectly fine with Kenny Atkinson being cursed out by a player on the side line during a time out, and then said player throwing a temper tantrum on the court and grand standing his teammates like a child after a game, as long as the guy is an all star. Got it.

And if Russell were to do that, it would be bad, because he's not an all star, correct? That's the kind of logic we're using here when we decide that professionalism doesn't matter? So the day that D'Angelo Russell becomes an all star (and it could very well happen as he continues to turn the corner), or Caris LeVert becomes an all star, you will be perfectly fine with them behaving like a child when things don't go their way? As long as they reach a certain level of stardom?
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Post#71 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:35 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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MrDollarBills wrote:Irving is in the clip saying "It was supposed to go to Al". If you watch the footage of what happened before this, you can visibly see Irving bitching at Brad Stevens about the play call.

Either way, I'm probably alone on this but this situation just really doesn't do much to change my opinion that I'm not as high on Kyrie Irving as the rest of you are. This is toxic behavior on display. I don't think anyone here would tolerate this from any current Nets player, especially if D'Angelo Russell behaved like this. I'll pass.

Actually I don't think it's a big deal at all and is/will be completely overblown in relation to his looming free agency and the Celtics as a team.

He's a fierce competitor and the obvious best player, best playmaker and best passer on the team and in the heat of the moment lost his $hit because Hayward decided to pull a Peyton Manning and audible out of a play called by both a great coach and great player, resulting in a terrible last shot opportunity.


If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.

It's apples to oranges. Russell isn't a top 10 player in the league, Russell does not have Irving's clout, Russell hasn't even proven himself as a sustainable above average player yet and is 22 years old. If this was 26 year old Russell who has been well above average for 4 or 5 years straight, is one of the best players on a legit contender and blew up in the heat of the moment on a teammate who went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word), I wouldn't hate him for it at all.
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Post#72 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:51 pm

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DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.
D'Angelo Russell is nowhere near Kyrie's level. When you're a certain level of good (all star/superstar), you have more of a right to say stuff. If D Lo starts calling out his teammates, it won't feel earned because he's not good enough in the first place.


So you're perfectly fine with Kenny Atkinson being cursed out by a player on the side line during a time out, and then said player throwing a temper tantrum on the court and grand standing his teammates like a child after a game, as long as the guy is an all star. Got it.

And if Russell were to do that, it would be bad, because he's not an all star, correct? That's the kind of logic we're using here when we decide that professionalism doesn't matter? So the day that D'Angelo Russell becomes an all star (and it could very well happen as he continues to turn the corner), or Caris LeVert becomes an all star, you will be perfectly fine with them behaving like a child when things don't go their way? As long as they reach a certain level of stardom?
I didn't say I'm perfectly fine with it, I'm saying that its understandable to a degree. First of all, we don't know what Kyrie said to Brad Stevens. But Kyrie getting heated because his team hasn't executed and have generally underwhelmed this season so far, it's understandable. He's absolutely right when he says that the team has championship aspirations and need to do a lot better, because the pressure they'll face in the playoffs is much greater. To be a great player in this league, you have to be a fierce competitor, and most people aren't capable of understanding the competitive mindset of the best pro athletes in sports.
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Post#73 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:25 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Actually I don't think it's a big deal at all and is/will be completely overblown in relation to his looming free agency and the Celtics as a team.

He's a fierce competitor and the obvious best player, best playmaker and best passer on the team and in the heat of the moment lost his $hit because Hayward decided to pull a Peyton Manning and audible out of a play called by both a great coach and great player, resulting in a terrible last shot opportunity.


If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.

It's apples to oranges. Russell isn't a top 10 player in the league, Russell does not have Irving's clout, Russell hasn't even proven himself as a sustainable above average player yet and is 22 years old. If this was 26 year old Russell who has been well above average for 4 or 5 years straight, is one of the best players on a legit contender and blew up in the heat of the moment on a teammate who went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word), I wouldn't hate him for it at all.


I think that it is total BS that someone's skill level gives them an excuse to act unprofessional and I think that if this took place on the Nets the reaction wouldn't be the same.
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Post#74 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:35 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:D'Angelo Russell is nowhere near Kyrie's level. When you're a certain level of good (all star/superstar), you have more of a right to say stuff. If D Lo starts calling out his teammates, it won't feel earned because he's not good enough in the first place.


So you're perfectly fine with Kenny Atkinson being cursed out by a player on the side line during a time out, and then said player throwing a temper tantrum on the court and grand standing his teammates like a child after a game, as long as the guy is an all star. Got it.

And if Russell were to do that, it would be bad, because he's not an all star, correct? That's the kind of logic we're using here when we decide that professionalism doesn't matter? So the day that D'Angelo Russell becomes an all star (and it could very well happen as he continues to turn the corner), or Caris LeVert becomes an all star, you will be perfectly fine with them behaving like a child when things don't go their way? As long as they reach a certain level of stardom?
I didn't say I'm perfectly fine with it, I'm saying that its understandable to a degree. First of all, we don't know what Kyrie said to Brad Stevens. But Kyrie getting heated because his team hasn't executed and have generally underwhelmed this season so far, it's understandable. He's absolutely right when he says that the team has championship aspirations and need to do a lot better, because the pressure they'll face in the playoffs is much greater. To be a great player in this league, you have to be a fierce competitor, and most people aren't capable of understanding the competitive mindset of the best pro athletes in sports.


I can look at the video and deduce at bare minimum what was said to Brad Stevens wasn't a bunch of pleasantries.

Also, if being a fierce competitor gives someone carte blanche to act like a complete douchebag, by all means I'll agree to disagree with it. You guys would lose your minds if someone you didn't like did that crap, and I absolutely believe if that person was a member of the Nets it would not fly.
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Post#75 » by Prokorov » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:56 pm

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If D'Angelo Russell did what he did, would you say the same thing? Answer honestly.

It's apples to oranges. Russell isn't a top 10 player in the league, Russell does not have Irving's clout, Russell hasn't even proven himself as a sustainable above average player yet and is 22 years old. If this was 26 year old Russell who has been well above average for 4 or 5 years straight, is one of the best players on a legit contender and blew up in the heat of the moment on a teammate who went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word), I wouldn't hate him for it at all.


I think that it is total BS that someone's skill level gives them an excuse to act unprofessional and I think that if this took place on the Nets the reaction wouldn't be the same.


i dont think there is anything unprofessional about it... and in fact i want my players doing this time to time. to me thats elite leadership.

and it does matter a bit as far as who you are... Kyrie has won a title, him getting on the case of guys acting like they just deserve to be in the finals is warranted. if kyrie had never gotten there he needs to STFU, but he has been there
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Post#76 » by shakendfries » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:59 pm

I personally enjoy watching the Celtics implode and Kyrie holding them hostage if they don't trade Hayward and Brown for AD or threaten to wind up in Manhattan with Jimmy Butler, so I'm pretty indifferent on the Kyrie story
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shakendfries wrote:I personally enjoy watching the Celtics implode and Kyrie holding them hostage if they don't trade Hayward and Brown for AD or threaten to wind up in Manhattan with Jimmy Butler, so I'm pretty indifferent on the Kyrie story


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Re: Who'd You Rather, 2019 FA Edition 

Post#78 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:26 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:It's apples to oranges. Russell isn't a top 10 player in the league, Russell does not have Irving's clout, Russell hasn't even proven himself as a sustainable above average player yet and is 22 years old. If this was 26 year old Russell who has been well above average for 4 or 5 years straight, is one of the best players on a legit contender and blew up in the heat of the moment on a teammate who went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word), I wouldn't hate him for it at all.


I think that it is total BS that someone's skill level gives them an excuse to act unprofessional and I think that if this took place on the Nets the reaction wouldn't be the same.


i dont think there is anything unprofessional about it... and in fact i want my players doing this time to time. to me thats elite leadership.

and it does matter a bit as far as who you are... Kyrie has won a title, him getting on the case of guys acting like they just deserve to be in the finals is warranted. if kyrie had never gotten there he needs to STFU, but he has been there


I can respect Kyrie for winning a title while 100% disagreeing with you over the idea that grandstanding in public is elite leadership. Getting on guys is one thing, but take that into the locker room and talk to them like grown men face to face. His teammates didn't even acknowledge him, they walked away from him because it was embarrassing and humiliating behavior. You're not going to rally men while acting like a child or trying to dress them down in public.

Also, I don't view cursing at the coach on the sideline and then throwing a temper tantrum on the court as leadership, no more than I do a veteran player shoving a younger player during a time out. It's all toxic behavior that no one should get a pass for tbh.
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Post#79 » by Prokorov » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:55 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
I think that it is total BS that someone's skill level gives them an excuse to act unprofessional and I think that if this took place on the Nets the reaction wouldn't be the same.


i dont think there is anything unprofessional about it... and in fact i want my players doing this time to time. to me thats elite leadership.

and it does matter a bit as far as who you are... Kyrie has won a title, him getting on the case of guys acting like they just deserve to be in the finals is warranted. if kyrie had never gotten there he needs to STFU, but he has been there


I can respect Kyrie for winning a title while 100% disagreeing with you over the idea that grandstanding in public is elite leadership. Getting on guys is one thing, but take that into the locker room and talk to them like grown men face to face. His teammates didn't even acknowledge him, they walked away from him because it was embarrassing and humiliating behavior. You're not going to rally men while acting like a child or trying to dress them down in public.

Also, I don't view cursing at the coach on the sideline and then throwing a temper tantrum on the court as leadership, no more than I do a veteran player shoving a younger player during a time out. It's all toxic behavior that no one should get a pass for tbh.


agree to disagree... sometimes when you have young guys with huge egos you need to show them a bit of humility.
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Post#80 » by shakendfries » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:41 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Kawhi is younger and cheaper so he's the ideal option but if we're talking system and talent - I'm taking Durant.

I keep seeing how Kawhi is a better fit and I really don't know about that. Have you seen him with Toronto this year? His game is ALL iso ball with a ton of mid-range jumpers. He's just so good it doesn't matter. And when you can shoot 3s, you're useful even if you just stand in the corner. Only 25% of Kawhis 2pt buckets this year are assisted. That's outrageous for a wing.

Again, Kawhis awesome. But I look at him as more of a iso scorer, defender, spot up shooter. When I see Durant, I see someone that could literally do anything you ask. Come off screens and shoot 3s, run PNRs, protect the rim, make plays for others, along with the stuff Kawhi does (minus defense).

The Golden State situation has gotten messy. And Kerr does not care at all about getting the right shots like Kenny does.

I'm really not worried about anyone's personality if they're elite and they come to play. We've worked 3 years to build a culture for this exact reason. If you're not a clown, we keep players happy.


the notion that KD isn't a system fit is beyond me

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