Nets buyout Faried; Faried headed to HOU (Shams)

[gigantes]

One thing I appreciated about Okafor is that after leaving the Nets, he admitted that he kind of messed up. That Marks recognised he was dealing with depression, and connected him with the team psychologist (I forget his name, but it sounds like he's quite good), but Oak was resistant at the time, and nothing wound up happening.

Who knows how much difference that would have made, but I thought it was nice of him to mention that, as well as it being yet another positive example of the kind of org Marks runs. But, personally it's hard for me to empathise with a person if they can't admit they made a mistake in retrospect.

[LOUiS-D]

Is he serious?

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Could have been their attempts to placate him went down poorly. Maybe they were conditionally prepared to give him more minutes. Hard to know how much subjective bias is involved in a statement like that. It's obviously going to be a frustrating situation from the get go if you believe you should be playing. I find it hard to believe that they were straight up blowing smoke up his ass, but you never know. Everyone's **** stinks.

Nets should have bought him out at the first available opportunity. His only value was as an expiring... which I guess does have utility to the Nets at the trade deadline if a star becomes available for trade at the deadline and you need to match salaries. Ah well. It's over. Onward and upward.

[gigantes]

1) Could have been their attempts to placate him went down poorly. Maybe they were conditionally prepared to give him more minutes. Hard to know how much subjective bias is involved in a statement like that. It's obviously going to be a frustrating situation from the get go if you believe you should be playing. I find it hard to believe that they were straight up blowing smoke up his ass, but you never know. Everyone's **** stinks.

2) Nets should have bought him out at the first available opportunity. His only value was as an expiring... which I guess does have utility to the Nets at the trade deadline if a star becomes available for trade at the deadline and you need to match salaries. Ah well. It's over. Onward and upward.

1) Hmm. I don't see any real evidence across the Markinson era to suggest they've been Schmitty / manipulative / disingenuous with players. If anything, they seem to want to get the best out of everyone. At the same time, plenty of players in the league have to deal with tenuous or qualified promises that they'll get PT. There simply isn't anything more definitive they can be told, other than to "stay ready." Blaming the Nets for that fact of reality would be a childish, face-saving move IMO. It might even come back to bite him somewhat, if that's the case.

2) I don't get your thinking on that. For one thing, Faried was more than just a paper asset-- he was someone who really could have helped out if one of the other bigs got injured or underperformed. And maybe I'm wrong, but when they brought in the new set of bigs this offseason, they didn't know how the minutes were going to shake out, and that Davis would wind up being the #1 C backup. So I don't see any good reason the Nets should have bought him out early. In fact they just did him a nice favor AFAIK by buying him out near full price. In fact I thought it was another nice bit of goodwill by Marks towards the league's players and GM's. *shrug*

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets could have **** ed him over, refused to release/buy him out, and sent him home, preventing him from joining another team and auditioning for his next (and most likely last) pro deal.

They didn't. The one thing I have seen from this regime is that they don't screw players over.

He just wasn't a fit because he can't play the 4 in this system and there were already two centers ahead of him in the rotation. It is what it is, I don't see why there are hard feelings.

[gigantes]

The Nets could have **** ed him over, refused to release/buy him out, and sent him home, preventing him from joining another team and auditioning for his next (and most likely last) pro deal.

They didn't. The one thing I have seen from this regime is that they don't screw players over.

He just wasn't a fit because he can't play the 4 in this system and there were already two centers ahead of him in the rotation. It is what it is, I don't see why there are hard feelings.

I mean, I guess the qualifier is that a lot of these guys are coming from tough (even dangerous) situations. That's why I think we owe them some slack as a society, and I hope we can give them a break on various bumps and rough spots. Most everyone deserves that IMO, despite what the MOW says. (sorry, political moment)

And then, dealing with all this PT shizzle-wizzle on top is likely way past their experience... especially since most of these guys starred at every level. On top of that, probably their agent's main agenda is simply manipulating them in to bringing in the highest dollar. And the cherry on the cherry-- that they suffer their own home-brewed group of yes-men and family, many (most?) of whose agendas lean towards wanting support and funding, I would cynically think.

Of course all this has been written about much more skillfully than just above. But still-- there's something that kind of viscerally rubs me the wrong way when a player is (allegedly) 'too good' to join huddles and join his teammates in basic activities... I don't know. Just not a good look IMO.

[MGrand15]

From Faried's full quote, it sounds like they told him he'd play if one of our centers was out, if there was foul trouble, or if we needed energy. It didn't happen. Kenny was more comfortable going small.

It happens. Things change during the year. No one expected Ed Davis to be this good. No one expected Rodi to be able to play 4 effectively. We weren't sure if Dudley would be playable.

It all worked out for the best. I think we're okay with Alan Williams as the emergency center.

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets could have **** ed him over, refused to release/buy him out, and sent him home, preventing him from joining another team and auditioning for his next (and most likely last) pro deal.

They didn't. The one thing I have seen from this regime is that they don't screw players over.

He just wasn't a fit because he can't play the 4 in this system and there were already two centers ahead of him in the rotation. It is what it is, I don't see why there are hard feelings.

I mean, I guess the qualifier is that a lot of these guys are coming from tough (even dangerous) situations. That's why I think we owe them some slack as a society, and I hope we can give them a break on various bumps and rough spots. Most everyone deserves that IMO, despite what the MOW says. (sorry, political moment)

And then, dealing with all this PT shizzle-wizzle on top is likely way past their experience... especially since most of these guys starred at every level. On top of that, probably their agent's main agenda is simply manipulating them in to bringing in the highest dollar. And the cherry on the cherry-- that they suffer their own home-brewed group of yes-men and family, many (most?) of whose agendas lean towards wanting support and funding, I would cynically think.

Of course all this has been written about much more skillfully than just above. But still-- there's something that kind of viscerally rubs me the wrong way when a player is (allegedly) 'too good' to join huddles and join his teammates in basic activities... I don't know. Just not a good look IMO.

He was being paid what, 18 million dollars this year to be a good teammate and be ready when his number was called?

Egos are a bitch when they take control.

[Paradise]

“It’s very frustrating. A lot of, ‘We’re going to play you when injuries,’ and a lot of, ‘We’re going to play you when in this moment, that moment,’” Faried said Tuesday.

“Just tell me when you’re going to play me or tell me if you don’t want to play me. Tell me if you want me here or not. Because I’m a real honest player, I’m going to give you my heart, give you my all. And I wear my emotions on sleeve. I’m not going to be happy if you keep lying to me and telling me false statements.”

Maybe there's something about the situation I'm not understanding, but this guy sure sounds like he's being a petulant brat, here. He's saying the Nets lied to him and/or were unclear about when he would play, yet he also seems to refute his own remark up above. He gives no allowance for the fact that the injury situation and the available moments did not in fact work in his favor. But that's something everyone else on the roster had to battle through, as well. Anyone in life could also say they've been "lied to" and "deceived" when life didn't give them what they expected.

And then the Nets totally hooked him up by buying him out at almost full price in order for him to go to a team that needed him. But there was also some actual risk in doing so, for example in case Davis or Allen go down for the year or something. Faried seems incredibly oblivious and ungracious about all that. And then there's this:

Ian Eagle noted in both a podcast last week with WFAN’s Steve Lichtenstein and in a post-game summary Monday’ that Faried was the only one on the 17-man roster who was not all-in with the Nets culture. And as our Anthony Puccio noted, that was more than obvious on occasions when during huddles, Faried would stand as far as 20 feet away.

Again, maybe I'm missing something, but it sounds like good riddance to this guy. I'm sure he would have been quite useful if we'd needed him, but there's a lot more to being a good teammate and culture fit IMO.

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What Steve wrong is 100% correct.

Example:

Look at the 0:08 mark. His body language was disgustingly poor.

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[Karate Diop]

I wouldn't have minded seeing Faried out there at the 4 with Allen at the 5... But I've come to terms with the fact that, that kind of pairing just isn't part of Atkinson's coaching philosophy.

[rocketsfan100]

Thanks for this guy. Averaging 17-10 on 61 percent clip

[NetsJets]

I always felt that he was misused here but at the same time I understood why they didn’t play him as much.

[Keith Van Horn]

Kenny and his staff want everyone to be able to shoot 3s. Faried didn't fit that mold. We used him when needed, but ultimately gave him what he wanted. Glad to see him doing things for Houston.

[Karate Diop]

Thanks for this guy. Averaging 17-10 on 61 percent clip

There are two sides to a basketball court and while Faried is contributing on offense... He's still a defensive liability. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's working out on the Rockets - but there were just no minutes at center for him on the Nets... Faried is not better than Allen or Davis.

It'll be interesting to see if the Rockets dare to play him at PF when Capela is back but I highly doubt they do.

[LOUiS-D]

Thanks for this guy. Averaging 17-10 on 61 percent clip

He's an all-star compared to Marquese Chriss

[Prokorov]

Kenny and his staff want everyone to be able to shoot 3s. Faried didn't fit that mold. We used him when needed, but ultimately gave him what he wanted. Glad to see him doing things for Houston.

This isnt true. we dont need out centers to shoot threes. Ed Davis has taken 0 threes this year.... THAT was the issue with Faried. in our system, Faried is a center, not a PF. we DO want out PFs to shoot threes and be able to defend gaurds and play the top in the zone.

I LOVE faried, im glad he is playing with the rockets. I think he would have been excellent here if we didnt have Davis and Allen. but we do. unfortunate.

[Prokorov]

Thanks for this guy. Averaging 17-10 on 61 percent clip

Glad he is doing well. Faried is a great guy and hard worker. Too bad we are loaded at Center and he couldnt see minutes here. i wish him well

[Keith Van Horn]

Kenny and his staff want everyone to be able to shoot 3s. Faried didn't fit that mold. We used him when needed, but ultimately gave him what he wanted. Glad to see him doing things for Houston.

This isnt true. we dont need out centers to shoot threes. Ed Davis has taken 0 threes this year.... THAT was the issue with Faried. in our system, Faried is a center, not a PF. we DO want out PFs to shoot threes and be able to defend gaurds and play the top in the zone.

I LOVE faried, im glad he is playing with the rockets. I think he would have been excellent here if we didnt have Davis and Allen. but we do. unfortunate.

but my belief was that Faried is more of a 4 than a 5 through his career. It's actually all he's been playing for the Rockets up to this point and he's had a ton of success. Whether or not the Nets wanted him to be a center (and I'm sure he didn't want to play there and it resulted in him being benched a lot), he's more suited for the power forward spot and on our team and the 4 has to be able to shoot bombs.

[Prokorov]

Kenny and his staff want everyone to be able to shoot 3s. Faried didn't fit that mold. We used him when needed, but ultimately gave him what he wanted. Glad to see him doing things for Houston.

This isnt true. we dont need out centers to shoot threes. Ed Davis has taken 0 threes this year.... THAT was the issue with Faried. in our system, Faried is a center, not a PF. we DO want out PFs to shoot threes and be able to defend gaurds and play the top in the zone.

I LOVE faried, im glad he is playing with the rockets. I think he would have been excellent here if we didnt have Davis and Allen. but we do. unfortunate.

but my belief was that Faried is more of a 4 than a 5 through his career. It's actually all he's been playing for the Rockets up to this point and he's had a ton of success. Whether or not the Nets wanted him to be a center (and I'm sure he didn't want to play there and it resulted in him being benched a lot), he's more suited for the power forward spot and on our team and the 4 has to be able to shoot bombs.

It really doesnt matter what Faried was in Denver or is in Houston. He was never a 4 here. he was always a center and that was all he was ever going to be. Davis blocked him at backup 5 and Allen needs to start he is the long term solution.

RHJ plays PF and doesnt shoot 3s. Graham hasnt shot them well. i think our PFs #1 need to be able to gaurd positions 1-3 and #2 need to be able to put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. shooting threes obviously helps but i think thats #3

[Karate Diop]

Kenny and his staff want everyone to be able to shoot 3s. Faried didn't fit that mold. We used him when needed, but ultimately gave him what he wanted. Glad to see him doing things for Houston.

This isnt true. we dont need out centers to shoot threes. Ed Davis has taken 0 threes this year.... THAT was the issue with Faried. in our system, Faried is a center, not a PF. we DO want out PFs to shoot threes and be able to defend gaurds and play the top in the zone.

I LOVE faried, im glad he is playing with the rockets. I think he would have been excellent here if we didnt have Davis and Allen. but we do. unfortunate.

but my belief was that Faried is more of a 4 than a 5 through his career. It's actually all he's been playing for the Rockets up to this point and he's had a ton of success. Whether or not the Nets wanted him to be a center (and I'm sure he didn't want to play there and it resulted in him being benched a lot), he's more suited for the power forward spot and on our team and the 4 has to be able to shoot bombs.

Faried has strictly been playing center not power forward for the Rockets.