GT: Manhattan vs The Nets | Friday, 10/25/19 | 7:30pm EST

[SpeedyG]

I missed the game. What was the crowd like?

Based on the highlights it seemed like 60/40 Nets fans. What was your guys's impression?

I think 60/40 is about right. But the 40 ratio of Knicks fans are rabid and loud. The Barclays crowd is still in infancy, so while you have a small portion that gets loud throughout the game, the majority get loud only in "close" moments of the game.

When Knicks hit that back to back three late, it was really loud. Louder than any time during the game...

That is until Kyrie hit the dagger

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[MrDollarBills]

we actually didnt see it in the wolves game. just like we didnt see him get bullied in the wolves game for points inside like you claimed.

that stuff wont fly here. we have the video and im going to call you out on it every time

I don't remember the exact plays, moreso the number of times Fro seemed to get bumped or moved around pretty easily down low. Not necessarily plays that involved points scored, but it's a bit shocking and a bit sobering to see this same kind of thing happening when his clear mandate the past couple summers was to get stronger.

To his credit, it does look like he might be getting better at twisting his torso and arms to try to recover from getting moved around, but that's typically after losing the battle of leg positions. It seems like he's at a regular disadvantage at this stuff, and him being a young guy seems more and more irrelevant.

Maybe I'm misremembering these instances (I missed most of last night's game), but I've no idea where to watch replay games online, anymore. I wouldn't mind watching last night's game to see if he looked as nervous and easily-moved as he did against MIN.

i watched the game on DVR and give a shot by shot log of every shot towns took. Showing how he didnt score on allen down low. (most of the points where on threes)

Towns was 2-5 for 6 points on allen down low with allen blocking 2 of those misses. towns had only 1 offensive rebound and it was in transition with allen helping on the guy who took the shot. everyone keeps saying he is getting pushed around yet he isnt giving up offensive rebounds and he isnt giving up points in the paint and he isnt giving up points on post ups.

With the game on the line he got 1 offensive rebounding leading to a kyrie bucket to cut it to 1. Got a stop on a post up on randle, then got a big defensive rebound after Kyries three.

The knicks have Robinson, Portis, Randle, Gibson, and Morris. a ton of size. they did didddly squat against us

Allen has been between solid and outstanding on D/Rebounding these first 2 games. if people want to criticize his offense fine.

Also he is 21... people think he is going to gain 20-30 pounds overnight? talk to me if he hasnt filled out by 24-25 years old.

Take a look at these guys at 21:

Tyson chandler


Garnett


give the kid some time. he took a big jump from year 1 to year 2. already killing him 2 games into year 3 about being "pushed around" despite clerly not giving up anything inside on D/boards so far

He's the new whipping boy for the board. Nets fans always need someone to blame for everything. Russell is gone, so obviously the next target is Allen.

Like you have folks talking about how Jarrett should be shooting threes and what not. Dude clearly isn't comfortable shooting that shot in game.

Ask Utah fans if they want Gobert shooting threes. I'd rather at this stage, Allen should just focus on defense, rebounding, setting good screens, and catching and finishing. keep it simple. no one on this board wants DeAndre Jordan shooting threes so why should we want Allen to do that? Let's keep the game simple for him.

He needs to clean up his offensive game. That criticism has merit. But this other stuff? nah. The Knicks physicality did nothing to us last night. Karl Anthony Towns scored mostly from the perimeter. i don't think Allen has been bad at all defensively.

[gigantes]

He's the new whipping boy for the board. Nets fans always need someone to blame for everything. Russell is gone, so obviously the next target is Allen.

Like you have folks talking about how Jarrett should be shooting threes and what not. Dude clearly isn't comfortable shooting that shot in game.

He needs to clean up his offensive game. That criticism has merit. But this other stuff? nah. The Knicks physicality did nothing to us last night. Karl Anthony Towns scored mostly from the perimeter. i don't think Allen has been bad at all defensively.

MDB-- I wish you could extend your conscientious a bit, and reach out-- such in a way as to grasp a certain amount of natural political criticism, without automatically seizing upon the reverse in terms of nefarious conduct.

Coincidentally or not, this is also where any decent person on Earth says: "f-ck the CCP."

Problem, here? Absolutely not.

More like... wow. I can barely imagine what Kevin Durant will say, soon enough.

[DeRoma]

I don't remember the exact plays, moreso the number of times Fro seemed to get bumped or moved around pretty easily down low. Not necessarily plays that involved points scored, but it's a bit shocking and a bit sobering to see this same kind of thing happening when his clear mandate the past couple summers was to get stronger.

To his credit, it does look like he might be getting better at twisting his torso and arms to try to recover from getting moved around, but that's typically after losing the battle of leg positions. It seems like he's at a regular disadvantage at this stuff, and him being a young guy seems more and more irrelevant.

Maybe I'm misremembering these instances (I missed most of last night's game), but I've no idea where to watch replay games online, anymore. I wouldn't mind watching last night's game to see if he looked as nervous and easily-moved as he did against MIN.

i watched the game on DVR and give a shot by shot log of every shot towns took. Showing how he didnt score on allen down low. (most of the points where on threes)

Towns was 2-5 for 6 points on allen down low with allen blocking 2 of those misses. towns had only 1 offensive rebound and it was in transition with allen helping on the guy who took the shot. everyone keeps saying he is getting pushed around yet he isnt giving up offensive rebounds and he isnt giving up points in the paint and he isnt giving up points on post ups.

With the game on the line he got 1 offensive rebounding leading to a kyrie bucket to cut it to 1. Got a stop on a post up on randle, then got a big defensive rebound after Kyries three.

The knicks have Robinson, Portis, Randle, Gibson, and Morris. a ton of size. they did didddly squat against us

Allen has been between solid and outstanding on D/Rebounding these first 2 games. if people want to criticize his offense fine.

Also he is 21... people think he is going to gain 20-30 pounds overnight? talk to me if he hasnt filled out by 24-25 years old.

Take a look at these guys at 21:

Tyson chandler


Garnett


give the kid some time. he took a big jump from year 1 to year 2. already killing him 2 games into year 3 about being "pushed around" despite clerly not giving up anything inside on D/boards so far

He's the new whipping boy for the board. Nets fans always need someone to blame for everything. Russell is gone, so obviously the next target is Allen.

Like you have folks talking about how Jarrett should be shooting threes and what not. Dude clearly isn't comfortable shooting that shot in game.

Ask Utah fans if they want Gobert shooting threes. I'd rather at this stage, Allen should just focus on defense, rebounding, setting good screens, and catching and finishing. keep it simple. no one on this board wants DeAndre Jordan shooting threes so why should we want Allen to do that? Let's keep the game simple for him.

He needs to clean up his offensive game. That criticism has merit. But this other stuff? nah. The Knicks physicality did nothing to us last night. Karl Anthony Towns scored mostly from the perimeter. i don't think Allen has been bad at all defensively.

I don't have a problem with Allen whatsoever. Unlike Dlo, I actually like the way Allen plays the game and as a person as well. While I'll be rooting for him to succeed. I do think his skillset as where he is at in his developmental stage does not mesh well with Kyrie.

The problem is Kyrie is a pure scorer. He is not Dlo nor he is Caris or even Dinwiddie where there options are limited when it comes through traffic. They will look for the roll man as soon as the defense cover their grounds. As for Kyrie, when he see's traffic, his option is not to pass out. His options is to create the space for himself with the arsenals of moves he has. His last resort is to pass out which is usually an outlet for a spot up. With Allen, he lacks the ability to either dribble or to shoot the ball. Which in turn limits the different types of PnR they can run. What's even a bigger issue is when Kyrie runs a PnR with Allen there are times where Allen can't roll because Kyrie needs the space to create his own shots for which making Allen completely useless in plays. This will be a huge problem against teams that are talented where they can exploit this weakness (they can put a sattelite on kyrie easily). The only option Allen has is do a late roll where he can look for an offensive rebound for a put back. Which is a low percentage chance of happening to constantly run as a bread n butter. So what if you say why not just run a traditional High PnR. Then this also limits Kyrie's ability to breakdown the defense where you need to ask why even sign Kyrie when we could've easily execute that from Dinwidie or Caris.

The point is with the way Kyrie plays we need to build around on what he offers towards the team. With Allen I do see a ton of improvements with him as a defensive player. But as of right now I think we need another big that can roll with Kyrie to completely unlock what he can do as player. This will be a problem especially once the post season starts. This is a glaring weakness we have. Our best option is to let Allen play along with the second unit where it looks like we are gonna have Dinwiddie and Caris handling the offense. We then should trade DJ to a player that will compliment Kyrie like a player like Marc Gasol. This will help our half court sets a ton with spacing in the paint for kyrie as well as the back door cuts. His passing ability will also help our team getting easier looks. The only thing is i'm not sure if Kyrie/KD will be cool if we trade their close friend. Which is why people are starting to critic Allen in the first place.

I want to keep Allen as a player but I think it's inevitable we trade him as we are striving for championships.

[Prokorov]

My Thoughts on the game:

1) Dinwiddie is steady eddy. 20 a night off the bench, big threes, can drive by anyone and good to see he found the touch to deandre on those lobs. We are spoiled, not many teams can rely on 20 points from their bench star

2) Kyrie can just do things Russell couldnt... everyone knows im one of the bigger russell supporters, but russell isnt blowing by guys and finishing at the rim the way Kyrie does... and Kyrie is arguable the best ball handler of all time.., when he split that double team and took it to the chest of portis and scored. damn.

3) GREAT to see Kyrie come back and hit the clutch game winner 1 game after coming up short on the final shot. you can tell guys are already rallying around him

4) Im not worried about giving up an 18 point lead. early in the season things happen. and this is probably a game we would have lost last year and not held on to win. I'm more excited to see the glipses of what we are doing offensively when it gets going. Chemistry already seems amazing 2 games in. sooters spotting up and drivers finding them, ball not sticking, no tunnell vision. its awesome

5) Garrett Temple looks great as a 3 & D Danny Green lite type. I love what he brings to this team. One unknown was how do new guys replace RHJ/Graham/Carroll and i think Nwaba/Temple/Prince is an upgrade on all 3 counts (especially if you go by fit)

6) that Nwaba dunk. dA-YUM.

I have 0 concenrs about this allen "bulk" stuff. that hasnt even come close to being an issue the first 2 games. he needs to not fumbe the ball and look to dunk everything like last year.

26 turnovers is ick but again its early

Levert needs to be better fighting over and through screens. its his only flaw defensively.

Surprised we didnt see more kurucs after his solid 9 minute spurt. but i guess kenny really trusts prince already

[Prokorov]

He's the new whipping boy for the board. Nets fans always need someone to blame for everything. Russell is gone, so obviously the next target is Allen.

Like you have folks talking about how Jarrett should be shooting threes and what not. Dude clearly isn't comfortable shooting that shot in game.

Ask Utah fans if they want Gobert shooting threes. I'd rather at this stage, Allen should just focus on defense, rebounding, setting good screens, and catching and finishing. keep it simple. no one on this board wants DeAndre Jordan shooting threes so why should we want Allen to do that? Let's keep the game simple for him.

He needs to clean up his offensive game. That criticism has merit. But this other stuff? nah. The Knicks physicality did nothing to us last night. Karl Anthony Towns scored mostly from the perimeter. i don't think Allen has been bad at all defensively.

I mean im fine with the notion that Allen should add the 3, im sure the staff wants it... but unlike fans there is really no urgency with it. he took a bunch of corner threes last year, didnt hit many. im sure he is working on it in practice and they will encourage it when its there but honestly we have elite spacing with 4 shooters on the floor and Allen puts a ton more pressure on a defense as a screen and roll player then sitting in the corner.

When we struggle to score because teams dare allen to shoot ill worry about it. that time will likely never come because he is a screen setter surrounded by shooters

[NetsJets]

It’s concerning that Allen hasn’t progressed much by now. Way too many excuses are being made, but too many harsh criticisms as well.

I really don't think anyone is giving Allen an excuse. He's got to stop fumbling passes and clean up the mental mistakes. But on defense and rebounding wise so far I think he's been fine. The dude made two game winning plays in the 4th and people are ready to throw him in the trash after two games.

you were one of the people making excuses. But I get it.