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Post#201 » by ecuhus1981 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:52 pm

NetsJets wrote:Not having Caris hurts because we no longer have that necessary 3rd scorer.

3rd? Who's the 2nd scorer?!?! :lol: :noway: :P :crazy: :roll: :banghead: :nod: :nonono:

Guys, it's rough right now, but it's honestly not all bad. We defended respectably, we played through each other for long stretches, a hit FTs and limited turnovers. All of the things we saw as a cause for concern, they've addressed. That gives me hope for the long term. The big problem is, we're just not that talented with CLV out, and we're too nice. That leaves us with little margin for error against playoff teams. Some cold shooting and lethargy late in games due to (I'm saying it) preseason overseas travel has hampered us. We'll be fine, the team just has to stick together, and so should we.

Frankly, I'm surprised that most everyone is more upset about these last 3 losses, rather than @DET, hosting a hobbled IND and hosting MIN. PHX, DEN and UTA are better than each of those teams, I recall being branded a pessimist after voicing my frustration then. I knew that those losses, where we couldn't defend a lick, bricked FT's and turned over the ball 20+ times, would be ones we wished we snatched in retrospect. These are just tough matchups, and someone has to lose. We are playing better overall now than then, that's a start. We are dealing with injury adversity like some other teams are, but unlike we were with those early losses.

C'mon, I can't be the only optimistic Nets fan right now. Where's Prok with his trademark, headstrong Pollyanneish enthusiasm?! (u know i wub ya 8-) )
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Post#202 » by Keith Van Horn » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:57 pm

The first few games of the season seemed to be pretty fun.

These last few have been a gut punch.

Stayed up last night to watch the first half, some of the third, and things looked amazing. Nothing worse than waking up and seeing a 10 point loss.

I still have faith that we have too much talent and BBIQ to be a 4-7 team, but they need to get stuff figured out asap.
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Post#203 » by Claud » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:25 pm

Losing on the road to Utah and Denver isn't the end of the world, the problem is the way in which we keep letting games slip away.

We should have never lost to Detroit, Minny, and Memphis. We seem mentally fragile at the end of games.

Our number 1 problem is lack of consistent defense and reverting to ISO ball in crunch time instead of sticking to team ball which is what seems to be working when we are winning games.

I've seen a few Kyrie games in the past but didn't follow him closely until now. It must be said as talented as he is offensivelly dude LOVES to chuck. I guess that's the Mamba mentality. He's easily chucked us out of 2 games so far in the season.

It's like Kyrie forgets to play teamball in crunch time and will take a billion contested shots trying to play hero ball or I don't know if he feels the pressure to be the man and lead us to Ws? Not sure. He needs to change his approach in crunch time IMO.

Another issue is that in my opinion, our depth was better last season. Davis > Jordan, Carroll> Temple/Nwaba, etc.

It is still early on the season but it's clear we are not where we need to be.

I feel like Kenny will start to feel the heat soon unless those 3rd quarter collapses end sooner rather than later. We always come out flat, lacking urgency and playing ISO, chucking away. Kenny takes way too long to call TOs and hardly ever uses his coach challenges effectively.

This season is a wash in my mind. Until KD is back I'm not getting mad at this team but our weak approach has left a sour taste in my mouth. We are not playing Brooklyn basketball, we are playing with no grit, lazy, selfish, low BBIQ etc.
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Post#204 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:34 pm

isekii wrote:
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isekii wrote:Well 1st half. Balls moving team is playing defense.
2nd half it's all hero ball

How many times is this team going to lose the huge lead they built up in the first half only to lose ?
I see DJ not even attempting to box out for a defensive rebound and the opposing team just grabs and lays it in.
Pretty ridiculous.

Not specifically picking out DJ but it's the entire team.
For as well and active DJ was vs Utah, man he was a turd vs Denver.

But he wasn't alone last night.

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I hate to be one of those guys, but this team is disgusting to watch. Specially when hero ball goes into effect.
Bunch of dudes standing around while one man goes iso.
Not sure how you fix this mess.



They look great in the first half when they were playing team basketball. Kenny needs to show them the tape of that and demand that kind of play for 48 minutes.
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Post#205 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:37 pm

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SpeedyG wrote:For as well and active DJ was vs Utah, man he was a turd vs Denver.

But he wasn't alone last night.

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I hate to be one of those guys, but this team is disgusting to watch. Specially when hero ball goes into effect.
Bunch of dudes standing around while one man goes iso.
Not sure how you fix this mess.
Pretty sure you're not alone in that feeling. This team (using that loosely) is flat out awful to watch with its style of play.

It starts with Kenny.

He's going to have to hammer it down and hammer it down until these guys get it.

Then Kyrie and Spencer needs to follow suit, because they are the tone setters for the offense.

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The onus is on Kyrie and Spencer to get the ball moving. I don't mind them going ISO if they have a mismatch. You want that from them. but otherwise they need to be held accountable and they need to get the ball moving. They're the floor leaders here, they need to take the responsibility of making the offense run smoothly.
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Post#206 » by Claud » Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:43 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
isekii wrote:
I hate to be one of those guys, but this team is disgusting to watch. Specially when hero ball goes into effect.
Bunch of dudes standing around while one man goes iso.
Not sure how you fix this mess.
Pretty sure you're not alone in that feeling. This team (using that loosely) is flat out awful to watch with its style of play.

It starts with Kenny.

He's going to have to hammer it down and hammer it down until these guys get it.

Then Kyrie and Spencer needs to follow suit, because they are the tone setters for the offense.

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The onus is on Kyrie and Spencer to get the ball moving. I don't mind them going ISO if they have a mismatch. You want that from them. but otherwise they need to be held accountable and they need to get the ball moving. They're the floor leaders here, they need to take the responsibility of making the offense run smoothly.



Problem is everyone is just watching Din and Ky and the ball isn't hopping while guys like Prince, Harris get cold since they are just watching these two go ISO for long stretches in crunch time. I don't mind ISO if there's a mismatch but 6-7 possessions in a row is just ridiculous low basketball IQ no matter how talented they are. I'll take an open Harris 3 over Ky shooting over 4 dudes any day of the week. Low % shots will get us nowhere.
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Post#207 » by ecuhus1981 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:15 pm

I watched the Denver game from wire to wire, and though it was a frustrating L, I came away with some positives for our outlook. Let's get into it:

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JARRETT ALLEN - 8: he played a very clean game (0 turnovers, 0 fouls), provided solid resistance to Nikola, and was a presence at the cup on both ends. He had a tougher time with ex-Net Mason Plumlee's multi-pivot post moves ( :roll: ), and started to get bullied as the Nuggets switched tactics late. He gave us more than what we need of him to win games on a nightly basis.

TAUREAN PRINCE - 4: I'm not so concerned with his poor shooting. Altitude, big minutes and constantly giving up size to the opponent has worn on him a bit. I'm more down on him reacting to team defense slowly, which triggers alot of wasted effort by teammates chasing skip passes around the perimeter. He's got to keep his head in the game instead of ball-watching, when his man isn't going 1-on-1 with him.

JOE HARRIS - 5: to my eye in real-time, he looked like the worst starter out there for either team. Somehow, he was the only starter that finished with a positive +/-, though I suspect it has more to do with us substituting him out for defensive lapses before they went on their run in the 3rd. Opposing teams are clearly crowding his feet around screens, which seems to be working as a shot deterrent. He's higher up on the scouting report than ever before in his career, and it'll take some time for him to counter and adjust. His effort on D was better, he just needs to play within his strengths (or limitations as it were) on that end. Too often, he bites on shot fakes or fails to stay in legal guarding position. Shooters like Redick, Korver, Allen and others have mitigated a lack of defensive skills by honing those fundamentals. I'm putting him in rare company, because I believe he can get there.

GARRETT TEMPLE - 6: he shot horrendously, but he had a very positive impact on both ends before taking a shot to the chin that drew blood and required stitches in the locker room. BIG PROPS to him for re-entering the game, but he was clearly a shell of himself afterward. It's difficult to point to one aspect where he dominates or shines, but he's just a glue guy that aces the intangibles. I hope he is OK, we're going to need him for the upcoming stretch.

KYRIE IRVING - 7: I can't dog him, he toughed it out with a shoulder issue and still managed 17/6/9/1 in 35 minutes. No turnovers but 4 fouls, and took 20 shots to get his points without a single FT. We go as he goes, so get in the cryogenic chamber Ky (just remember to protect your feet)!

BENCH - 7: they certainly didn't lose us the game, and brought an edge of enthusiasm that our starters lack. Spencer did his thug thizzle, DJ was at once everywhere and nowhere, and Nic "Robot Bambi" Claxton flashed potential in Twin Towers setups.

KENNY - 6: sometimes, your best isn't good enough. I thought we limited backdoor action and held Nikola in check. Those had to be Atkinson's highest priorities, so he gets high marks for doing what few coaches accomplish. There has to be a way to keep our guys fresher mentally and physically for closing out games. The 2-3 zone and deep rotations were reasonable attempts to address this, but for various reasons neither have worked. He needs another tool in his toolbag. My suggestion: Hi-Lo. The action that brought the best out of RHJ and our shooters in 17-18 could work even better with Prince, Kurucs and the rest of our personnel. It also requires less energy than hero-ball.
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Post#208 » by DarkXaero » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:43 pm

We have a huge concern with Kyrie's injury issue. His efficiency has been awful last 3 games, and imo, it definitely has to do with the shoulder injury he's carrying. We've seen how shoulder injuries can affect a player's jumpshot efficiency, and right now Kyrie's 3pt shooting is barely there, even on wide open shots. We have a decision to consider here, whether we should rest him and avoid risk of aggravating it further, or keep playing him. It's difficult with Levert already being out, and our bad record, but we need him at his best to get wins anyway.
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Post#209 » by NetsJets » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:52 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:
NetsJets wrote:Not having Caris hurts because we no longer have that necessary 3rd scorer.

3rd? Who's the 2nd scorer?!?! :lol: :noway: :P :crazy: :roll: :banghead: :nod: :nonono:

Guys, it's rough right now, but it's honestly not all bad. We defended respectably, we played through each other for long stretches, a hit FTs and limited turnovers. All of the things we saw as a cause for concern, they've addressed. That gives me hope for the long term. The big problem is, we're just not that talented with CLV out, and we're too nice. That leaves us with little margin for error against playoff teams. Some cold shooting and lethargy late in games due to (I'm saying it) preseason overseas travel has hampered us. We'll be fine, the team just has to stick together, and so should we.

Frankly, I'm surprised that most everyone is more upset about these last 3 losses, rather than @DET, hosting a hobbled IND and hosting MIN. PHX, DEN and UTA are better than each of those teams, I recall being branded a pessimist after voicing my frustration then. I knew that those losses, where we couldn't defend a lick, bricked FT's and turned over the ball 20+ times, would be ones we wished we snatched in retrospect. These are just tough matchups, and someone has to lose. We are playing better overall now than then, that's a start. We are dealing with injury adversity like some other teams are, but unlike we were with those early losses.

C'mon, I can't be the only optimistic Nets fan right now. Where's Prok with his trademark, headstrong Pollyanneish enthusiasm?! (u know i wub ya 8-) )


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Post#210 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:58 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:
NetsJets wrote:Not having Caris hurts because we no longer have that necessary 3rd scorer.

3rd? Who's the 2nd scorer?!?! :lol: :noway: :P :crazy: :roll: :banghead: :nod: :nonono:

Guys, it's rough right now, but it's honestly not all bad. We defended respectably, we played through each other for long stretches, a hit FTs and limited turnovers. All of the things we saw as a cause for concern, they've addressed. That gives me hope for the long term. The big problem is, we're just not that talented with CLV out, and we're too nice. That leaves us with little margin for error against playoff teams. Some cold shooting and lethargy late in games due to (I'm saying it) preseason overseas travel has hampered us. We'll be fine, the team just has to stick together, and so should we.

Frankly, I'm surprised that most everyone is more upset about these last 3 losses, rather than @DET, hosting a hobbled IND and hosting MIN. PHX, DEN and UTA are better than each of those teams, I recall being branded a pessimist after voicing my frustration then. I knew that those losses, where we couldn't defend a lick, bricked FT's and turned over the ball 20+ times, would be ones we wished we snatched in retrospect. These are just tough matchups, and someone has to lose. We are playing better overall now than then, that's a start. We are dealing with injury adversity like some other teams are, but unlike we were with those early losses.

C'mon, I can't be the only optimistic Nets fan right now. Where's Prok with his trademark, headstrong Pollyanneish enthusiasm?! (u know i wub ya 8-) )


The Nets have gone up big in most of these games. The issue is not holding down leads and executing team basketball when faced with adversity during an opponent's run.

I'm not worried either. Pissed that the team is starting slowly, but I think I've seen enough to know that this team will become more consistent.
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Post#211 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:26 am

This was a really hard road trip though. Denver and Utah are the two toughest places to play in the entire NBA.

We have a pretty easy stretch coming up. Need to go 5-1 or 4-2 and our season will be fine.

If we keep losing after that then it will be really tough.

I don't buy that we need Levert, we literally didn't have him for most of the winning last year. The talent on this team is still just as good if not better than last year.

Execution in the 2nd half and 4th Q has been awful. Kenny needs to fix it. But its fixable.
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Post#212 » by MGrand15 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:59 am

I've calmed down since the game. I don't think there's a reason to panic but our backs are against the wall. We've thrown away some winnable games and that puts A LOT of pressure on the next 3 games. Don't feel great about that.

In theory, the team has shown some flaws but as a whole, we're not as bad as our record says. In reality, we face the risk of imploding if things keep sliding. Young rebuilding teams can easily survive poor starts. Kyrie makes things trickier there. He needs to connect with Kenny and the team and that won't happen if we keep losing. It just can't.

At the same time, I think I (and other Net fans) underrated how inexperienced this team is. Prince has never played a meaningful NBA game before this one. Musa and Claxton are getting time. JA is just in his 3rd year. Rodi is non-existent at the moment but he's a young 2nd year guy. Not using this as an excuse at all but Kenny was always going to have to work with these guys to keep developing them. These are rotation guys for us.

I think we need to try to reintegrate Rodi into the rotation or play Claxton more. More defense / energy guys over Prince or even along side Prince is what we need. Kenny also needs to do a better job of managing Kyrie's minutes. Too many minutes on this road trip. We also just need to emphasize ball mocment as a group. Lots of tunnel vision from the starters. I REALLY don't mind it if it's Kyrie or Dinwiddie or healthy LeVert. No excuse to see it from Temple, Prince, Harris. That's not their role.
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Post#213 » by GTR11 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:44 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:
NetsJets wrote:Not having Caris hurts because we no longer have that necessary 3rd scorer.

3rd? Who's the 2nd scorer?!?! :lol: :noway: :P :crazy: :roll: :banghead: :nod: :nonono:

Guys, it's rough right now, but it's honestly not all bad. We defended respectably, we played through each other for long stretches, a hit FTs and limited turnovers. All of the things we saw as a cause for concern, they've addressed. That gives me hope for the long term. The big problem is, we're just not that talented with CLV out, and we're too nice. That leaves us with little margin for error against playoff teams. Some cold shooting and lethargy late in games due to (I'm saying it) preseason overseas travel has hampered us. We'll be fine, the team just has to stick together, and so should we.

Frankly, I'm surprised that most everyone is more upset about these last 3 losses, rather than @DET, hosting a hobbled IND and hosting MIN. PHX, DEN and UTA are better than each of those teams, I recall being branded a pessimist after voicing my frustration then. I knew that those losses, where we couldn't defend a lick, bricked FT's and turned over the ball 20+ times, would be ones we wished we snatched in retrospect. These are just tough matchups, and someone has to lose. We are playing better overall now than then, that's a start. We are dealing with injury adversity like some other teams are, but unlike we were with those early losses.

C'mon, I can't be the only optimistic Nets fan right now. Where's Prok with his trademark, headstrong Pollyanneish enthusiasm?! (u know i wub ya 8-) )


The Nets have gone up big in most of these games. The issue is not holding down leads and executing team basketball when faced with adversity during an opponent's run.

I'm not worried either. Pissed that the team is starting slowly, but I think I've seen enough to know that this team will become more consistent.


I'm sorry guys for not sharing your enthusiasm because this team just playing lazy basketball. We just being out worked it's that simple. We match opposition effort and we have winning record. If you guys just check some stats it'll show entire story.
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Post#214 » by NetsJets » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:51 pm

Defense is the problem. And quiet as kept what had hurt us as well is being too perimeter oriented with no scoring presence down low it makes us easier to defend...
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Post#215 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:21 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I'm not worried either. Pissed that the team is starting slowly, but I think I've seen enough to know that this team will become more consistent.

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Post#216 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:25 pm

NetsJets wrote:1. Kyrie
2. LeVert
3. Dinwiddie

Yes of course, I know our main scorers. I just had to throw in a punchline, the setup was too good!

I'm hoping for a comfortable win tonight. I think that that would ease alot of our collective tensions. I said before this road trip that 2-3 would be a success for us, all things considered. The way we would get to it may not be the most pleasant, but we'd be fine.
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Post#217 » by CalamityX12 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:27 pm

Game was moving along great til hero ball took over by our main handlers.

Team ball movement and engagement went on a hiatus, far too often this season and that’s not us.

Our flaws are being underrated here IMO.... no bueno feeling...
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Post#218 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:01 pm

Kyrie is out for tonights game. Horrible news.

I have no idea what were gonna do.
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Post#219 » by Prokorov » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:34 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:Say what you want about experience or effort or whatever, consistently getting killed in the 3rd quarter and the 2nd half is the sign of a bad team. Doesn't really matter what the reason is. If we can't keep up when teams actually start trying, we're just not good. Effort is a cute reason to blame but we couldn't buy a bucket. That has nothing to do with 50-50 balls.

Let's see how the guys bounce back I guess. Kenny's teams have always gotten better over time but when you sign a bunch of vets that came to win a chip, these aren't moral victories. Denver played some awful basketball and they won comfortably after being down 16.


Getting destroyed to the extent that we are though...I don't think we're THAT bad. I think Kenny is just dropping the ball in terms of halftime adjustments, or adjusting to the opposing teams halftime adjustments. Our offense suddenly goes from having the crisp ball movement we had in the 1st half to an ISO chuck fest led by Irving and Dinwiddie in the 2nd half...our shooters go ice cold but then they continue to take contested 3s and there's nothing in our play calling that lets them get a rhythm some other way.


its not coaching. atkinson has been elite so far... probably COTY to this point. rotations, adjustments, late game have been flawless

Kenny cant make free throws for guys, he cant make wide open shots for guys and he already has turned a team fo awful defenders into something that sometimes looks average

people are knee-jerking. 5-7 but should be 8-4 if not for luck/early season variance.

if we play like this all year it will be 50-52 wins

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