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[DarkXaero]

Prince will look better once KD is back and the team as a whole looks better. Prince simply does not have good bball IQ, which is why it never really looks good when he's putting the ball on the floor. Dude has tunnel vision, and that's why he gets lost on defense so often as well. But we can limit him more when KD comes back, and he's likely out of the starting lineup. He can still play really well when he's playing within his role. Just catch and shoot, keep the ball moving, stay active defensively, and make high effort plays. He's capable of it, so I'm not too worried long term.

[Prokorov]

Musa looks awful. i dont see why Nwaba doesnt get 100% of his minutes

[Papi_swav]

Musa looks awful. i dont see why Nwaba doesnt get 100% of his minutes

Said the same thing. Nwaba is our best perimeter defender. Musa trips over his own feet.

[Uncbball8293]

Musa looks awful. i dont see why Nwaba doesnt get 100% of his minutes

You have been anti Musa since I started reading this board. Kid could go out tomorrow and score 30, play a perfect game and you will keep that tone. Obviously the Nets coaching staff is liking what they are seeing out of him. I like what I'm seeing out of him, he is adjusting to the role he needs to play on this team with each passing game. His positional defense and off ball defense is going completely unnoticed right now because he will always carry that label as a "bad defender". His defensive IQ and effort is night and day compared to the Gleague last year. He had a near perfect first half last night, played solid D, moved the ball on offense and made some nice plays in transition. His legs got the best of him in the second half, shot was flat, and made a couple bad TO. He's 20, he's played 4 career NBA games basically and has way more potential than Prince, Temple, Nawaba, Shumphert, Rodi, or any of the other back up 2-3 players. Kid worked his hind end off this summer, and brings passion and energy each time he checks into the game. For a 6'9" guy that is going to continue to add muscle and get better each year I'm excited about it. I just don't see where the hatred is coming from toward the kid.

[DarkXaero]

Musa was very good in first half last night, didn't have a good second half. But he's 20 years old, essentially a rookie, who is far from figuring out things, this is development time for him. But some of you clearly have an agenda against him. You guys laughed when it was suggested in preseason that Musa is ahead of Pinson in the rotation, and could get minutes. Well, he clearly is ahead of Pinson, and Kenny obviously rates him.

[therealbig3]

You guys don't see the obvious talent that Musa has? It's similar to what I saw out of Rodi. Musa has the handle and coordination of a guard at 6'9", that's insane. And he's had some really impressive finishes in traffic and in transition. Can finish with either hand. Unselfish and looks for the open man. Plays with a lot of energy and hustle.

His defense needs work. As does his outside shot. But he looks good. Just inexperienced. Rodi really needs to get his confidence back, because he can be a real threat in transition and is one of the few guys on this team who moves without the ball. And he's another guy with size that has great coordination, which is really valuable. Needs to be more confident in letting it fly from deep when he has the open shot. Hopefully, he gets another chance.

Imagine if Kurucs and Musa put it together towards the end of the year and become useful rotation players? Especially when KD comes back next year?

I don't understand the fascination with Nwaba actually. HE'S the one that's pretty awful imo, Musa not only has 10x the potential of Nwaba, he's currently the better player as is. Since this is essentially a "figure out what we got" year, I'd rather play the guys that have potential and can be useful players for us in the future.

[Prokorov]

You have been anti Musa since I started reading this board. Kid could go out tomorrow and score 30, play a perfect game and you will keep that tone.

im not "anti" any net. I call it like i see it for everyone. I think Musa needs more time in long island. Maybe the last few years when it was more about development i can see some minutes for him. but right now he struggles at basically everything.

am I "anti-musa" or is it just a fact he has been chucking up bricks from three (some ill advised curry pull up types)? 4-18 (22%).

He has been a huge negative on the offensive end. horrble shooting from all levels and an absolute turnover machine (3.5 per36) with some really awful ones... which is fine, you expect that for him as he is basically still a rookie. but the place to work that out is the G-league.

His 93 points per 100 possesion on offense is the worst on the team outside kurucs who has barely played and shumpert who just got here

right now the last thing we can afford is turnovers and bricks from deep and who we have struggled with when he is on the floor offensively

Obviously the Nets coaching staff is liking what they are seeing out of him. I like what I'm seeing out of him, he is adjusting to the role he needs to play on this team with each passing game. His positional defense and off ball defense is going completely unnoticed right now because he will always carry that label as a "bad defender". His defensive IQ and effort is night and day compared to the Gleague last year. H

its early so its a small sample but you could argue statistically he has been the nets worst defender this year.

114 Drtg (tied worst on the team)
-2.5 DPM is the third worst ahead of only dinwiddie and Shumpert who just got here

overall we are a -6.6 with Musa on the floor... only players more negative are kurucs and shumpert

it is really hard to justify in any way with facts that he has played well or even not been awful. He is young, he doesnt need to be great now. he has the skill to be an NBA rotation player. but he is one of those 2 years away from being 2 years away types.

Nwaba should get his minutes... Nwaba is far and away our best wing defender and one of the few energy guys we have off the bench.

if you are going to try and call me a hater come with some facts. other wise, i cant take you as anything but a musa homer

[Prokorov]

Musa was very good in first half last night, didn't have a good second half. But he's 20 years old, essentially a rookie, who is far from figuring out things, this is development time for him. But some of you clearly have an agenda against him. You guys laughed when it was suggested in preseason that Musa is ahead of Pinson in the rotation, and could get minutes. Well, he clearly is ahead of Pinson, and Kenny obviously rates him.

there is a place for development... the G-league.

I think Pinson gets less burn because he can only play 1 position. PG. either way, you dont want either guy in the game. Nwaba is the guy who should be getting those minutes

[Prokorov]

You guys don't see the obvious talent that Musa has? It's similar to what I saw out of Rodi. Musa has the handle and coordination of a guard at 6'9", that's insane. And he's had some really impressive finishes in traffic and in transition. Can finish with either hand. Unselfish and looks for the open man. Plays with a lot of energy and hustle.

His defense needs work. As does his outside shot. But he looks good. Just inexperienced. Rodi really needs to get his confidence back, because he can be a real threat in transition and is one of the few guys on this team who moves without the ball. And he's another guy with size that has great coordination, which is really valuable. Needs to be more confident in letting it fly from deep when he has the open shot. Hopefully, he gets another chance.

Imagine if Kurucs and Musa put it together towards the end of the year and become useful rotation players? Especially when KD comes back next year?

I don't understand the fascination with Nwaba actually. HE'S the one that's pretty awful imo, Musa not only has 10x the potential of Nwaba, he's currently the better player as is. Since this is essentially a "figure out what we got" year, I'd rather play the guys that have potential and can be useful players for us in the future.

Nwaba has been better on both ends, by any metric you can use. and significantly better defensively. We dont need a 5th ball handler when we go to our 10th man, we need defense and energy. we have anough guys who dribble and shoot (and guys who shoot well, not guys who go 4-18 from three)

[MrDollarBills]

Musa was very good in first half last night, didn't have a good second half. But he's 20 years old, essentially a rookie, who is far from figuring out things, this is development time for him. But some of you clearly have an agenda against him. You guys laughed when it was suggested in preseason that Musa is ahead of Pinson in the rotation, and could get minutes. Well, he clearly is ahead of Pinson, and Kenny obviously rates him.

I thought that despite his 2-9 from the field Musa played a decent game. he had 7 rebs, 5 asts, and 2 stls and was very active defensively.

[MrDollarBills]

Prince will look better once KD is back and the team as a whole looks better. Prince simply does not have good bball IQ, which is why it never really looks good when he's putting the ball on the floor. Dude has tunnel vision, and that's why he gets lost on defense so often as well. But we can limit him more when KD comes back, and he's likely out of the starting lineup. He can still play really well when he's playing within his role. Just catch and shoot, keep the ball moving, stay active defensively, and make high effort plays. He's capable of it, so I'm not too worried long term.

Yeah I'm not worried about him, he just needs to keep it simple. He's shooting 39% from downtown, that's where he needs to keep his focus. I don't mind the occasional drive off of pump fakes if the defender bites but leave the ball handling to the backcourt players.

[MGrand15]

We're talking about a 4 game sample size where Musa is actually in the rotation. Kind of early for +/- and percentages and stuff like that. He for sure needs to shoot better but he does look pretty good out there. With LeVert out, we need another ball handler. Temple, Shump, Nwaba can't fill that role. We could choose to go defense heavy for the 2nd unit but I prefer some more balance. Developing young guys still needs to be part of our MO outside of Long Island anyway. If Claxton and Musa can become legit players, that's huge for our future.

[Uncbball8293]

if you are going to try and call me a hater come with some facts. other wise, i cant take you as anything but a musa homer[/quote]

That's what I'm talking about with Nets fans. You are sitting there spitting pointless stats and bottom line is Nets have a losing record and effort has been a huge question this year. Do your stats show that Prince, Jordan, and Kyrie are lazy at various times throughout just about every game? Closing out lazy, not being engaged on D 100% of the time, jogging back on D, etc... As far as TO, what Net has been solid this year in the TO department? You are spitting stats and I'm looking at effort and what is actually happening on the court during the game. The +/- stat is something I've never been a fan of. For bench guys that don't play a lot of minutes a simple 3 minute spurt scues that stat drastically. I think you can safely say Nawaba has benefited from that big time in his few minutes on the floor. So you want Musa to go down to the Gleague and get time and just watch guys like Shumphert, Temple, Prince, and Nawaba play ahead of him just because he is young?

With the type of player Musa is sending him to the Gleague wouldn't be beneficial at all. He will go down there be the #1 guy again instantly, put up 20 FGA's, and probably score 25 per game. So far he is accepting and filling the role the Nets have given him this year nicely, no matter what your stats say. Sending him to the Gleague negates all that work over the summer and through the fall so far.

[jbeachboy]

musa is going to play over nwaba for now since he is more of a threat from 3 point range. he is a rookie basically since he barely played last year and he is going to make rookie mistakes. i expect him and nwaba to barely play once levert is back.

[MrDollarBills]

We need ball handlers on the floor with both LeVert out and Irving being day to day, so it makes sense for Musa to play.

[MrDollarBills]

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[ecuhus1981]

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[Prokorov]

musa is going to play over nwaba for now since he is more of a threat from 3 point range. he is a rookie basically since he barely played last year and he is going to make rookie mistakes. i expect him and nwaba to barely play once levert is back.

Musa has been awful from three. i dont see any evidence he is better then nwaba from three with the little data we have on each