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We couldn't possibly sell him any lower than right now.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#63 » by clo12345 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 4:39 pm

I think Levert is our best trade piece and would consider trading him if the price is right.

- We are stacked at PG and Kyrie/Dinwiddie are better than him
- Levert isn't that great a shooter and not sure if he ever will be. Tough to play him off-ball. Plus he's not that great a defender.
- We need defense and a big man (Horford type) who can defend big and shoot the 3

Levert fits our culture perfectly and would be missed, but he would get the biggest return
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Post#64 » by gigantes » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:20 pm

clo12345 wrote:I think Levert is our best trade piece and would consider trading him if the price is right.

- We are stacked at PG and Kyrie/Dinwiddie are better than him
- Levert isn't that great a shooter and not sure if he ever will be. Tough to play him off-ball. Plus he's not that great a defender.
- We need defense and a big man (Horford type) who can defend big and shoot the 3

Levert fits our culture perfectly and would be missed, but he would get the biggest return

- Spencer's better than LeVert at PG -at the moment-, but that kind of thing has flip-flopped through their Nets tenures. If Spencer had been the one injured and LeVert forced to be full-time PG, we'd almost certainly be saying the reverse right now.

- Neither one are so far great shooters, but Caris can play more positions and is the decisively better defender.

- LeVert has missed a lot of time with injury, such that we still don't really know what his ceiling is. Meanwhile, he's looked so good in stretches that it would kill us if he took that next step with another team.

- Nobody's untradeable, but I would certainly hope we'd only trade LeVert for a team who's really stoked about him. A couple years ago there seemed to be a few of those teams, but now that he's 25yo, I'm not sure what that market would be. That said, bonus pts for him being on a pretty bargain contract.

- Trading Caris also means that the glaring problem with Pinson as 3rd PG becomes even more magnified.

- One could just as easily make the argument that DWidd's value is likely as high as its ever going to get right now, and therefore he'd be the better trade piece once Kyrie or LeVert come back.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#65 » by Prokorov » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:24 pm

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clo12345 wrote:I think Levert is our best trade piece and would consider trading him if the price is right.

- We are stacked at PG and Kyrie/Dinwiddie are better than him
- Levert isn't that great a shooter and not sure if he ever will be. Tough to play him off-ball. Plus he's not that great a defender.
- We need defense and a big man (Horford type) who can defend big and shoot the 3

Levert fits our culture perfectly and would be missed, but he would get the biggest return

- Spencer's better than LeVert at PG -at the moment-, but that kind of thing has flip-flopped through their Nets tenures. If Spencer had been the one injured and LeVert forced to be full-time PG, we'd almost certainly be saying the reverse right now.

- Neither one are so far great shooters, but Caris can play more positions and is the decisively better defender.

- LeVert has missed a lot of time with injury, such that we still don't really know what his ceiling is. Meanwhile, he's looked so good in stretches that it would kill us if he took that next step with another team.

- Nobody's untradeable, but I would certainly hope we'd only trade LeVert for a team who's really stoked about him. A couple years ago there seemed to be a few of those teams, but now that he's 25yo, I'm not sure what that market would be. That said, bonus pts for him being on a pretty bargain contract.

- Trading Caris also means that the glaring problem with Pinson as 3rd PG becomes even more magnified.

- One could just as easily make the argument that DWidd's value is likely as high as its ever going to get right now, and therefore he'd be the better trade piece once Kyrie or LeVert come back.


there is no way levert is a better defender than dinwiddie. A big part of why we have been better defensively is levert is out and temple is in

i wouldnt trade levert because the position we would need to fill is the position he already plays and a 1-for-1 likely doesnt bring us back anyone better unless its someone in their walk year
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#66 » by clo12345 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 6:40 pm

gigantes wrote:
clo12345 wrote:I think Levert is our best trade piece and would consider trading him if the price is right.

- We are stacked at PG and Kyrie/Dinwiddie are better than him
- Levert isn't that great a shooter and not sure if he ever will be. Tough to play him off-ball. Plus he's not that great a defender.
- We need defense and a big man (Horford type) who can defend big and shoot the 3

Levert fits our culture perfectly and would be missed, but he would get the biggest return

- Spencer's better than LeVert at PG -at the moment-, but that kind of thing has flip-flopped through their Nets tenures. If Spencer had been the one injured and LeVert forced to be full-time PG, we'd almost certainly be saying the reverse right now.

- Neither one are so far great shooters, but Caris can play more positions and is the decisively better defender.

- LeVert has missed a lot of time with injury, such that we still don't really know what his ceiling is. Meanwhile, he's looked so good in stretches that it would kill us if he took that next step with another team.

- Nobody's untradeable, but I would certainly hope we'd only trade LeVert for a team who's really stoked about him. A couple years ago there seemed to be a few of those teams, but now that he's 25yo, I'm not sure what that market would be. That said, bonus pts for him being on a pretty bargain contract.

- Trading Caris also means that the glaring problem with Pinson as 3rd PG becomes even more magnified.

- One could just as easily make the argument that DWidd's value is likely as high as its ever going to get right now, and therefore he'd be the better trade piece once Kyrie or LeVert come back.

Disagree, and I don't think its close. Dinwiddie has the ability to create his own shot and is a great long distance shooter, something Levert can't do. And while he does have defensive lapses he's much better fighting through screens and get more blocks. Plus hes long and stronger
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#67 » by clo12345 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 7:24 pm

And if you want further evidence that Dinwiddie is a better shooter, look at both Free Throws %s.

I will give Levert his credit, he's a great driver and much quicker. But given the landscape of todays NBA I'd rather have Dinwiddie
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Post#68 » by gigantes » Tue Dec 3, 2019 7:33 pm

Prokorov wrote:there is no way levert is a better defender than dinwiddie. A big part of why we have been better defensively is levert is out and temple is in

i wouldnt trade levert because the position we would need to fill is the position he already plays and a 1-for-1 likely doesnt bring us back anyone better unless its someone in their walk year

clo12345 wrote:Disagree, and I don't think its close. Dinwiddie has the ability to create his own shot and is a great long distance shooter, something Levert can't do. And while he does have defensive lapses he's much better fighting through screens and get more blocks. Plus hes long and stronger

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?

From the advanced PM stats I've seen, Caris is the significantly more effective defender. Now sure, you may point out that PM is inherently flawed, but the point of the advanced models is to ameliorate such shortcomings, such as via the RAPTOR stat.

Maybe DWidd looks better in the eye test, but the advanced numbers don't seem to bear it out.

Also, au contraire, LeVert is in fact a really good (and growing) shot creator, and a significantly better 3pt shooter this season (36% on 4attempts) vs. Spencer (32% on 6). DWidd has been higher usage of course, but that's countered by Caris probably taking his shots more naturally within the flow of the game, which DWidd still struggles mightily with in his 6th year in the league.

And like I was talking about, LeVert is the guy with likely the higher upside and the lower present value. Trading him now seems like an awful idea unless you somehow get a honey of a deal... which seems pretty uncertain right now.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#69 » by clo12345 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 8:30 pm

I dont think its fair saying Levert has the higher upside with the way Dinwiddies been playing. That said I would take Leverts play in the playoffs vs. the 76ers ALL DAY.

Unfortunately you can have so many high usage players on the same team. Hopefully they all gel when they get healthy.
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Post#70 » by DarkXaero » Tue Dec 3, 2019 8:57 pm

I don't think Levert would have stepped up the same way Dinwiddie has, if the roles were reversed. Levert for all his talent has yet to show the consistency & reliability that Dinwiddie has shown (last season and now). Levert wasn't good before his injury this season either. Granted Dinwiddie had a terrible start to the season too, but we still know that his ability to drive & draw fouls is high level. With Levert, we're hoping for development, and he has yet to show the kind of efficiency that Dinwiddie has.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#71 » by gigantes » Tue Dec 3, 2019 9:24 pm

clo12345 wrote:I dont think its fair saying Levert has the higher upside with the way Dinwiddies been playing. That said I would take Leverts play in the playoffs vs. the 76ers ALL DAY.

Unfortunately you can have so many high usage players on the same team. Hopefully they all gel when they get healthy.

I'd say LeVert is the more useful player with the ball out of his hands, is the better long range shooter, is more suited to the wing, and overall better complements Kyrie... not to mention, complements the Kyrie / Durant combo in future. These are things which I think make him a better fit with other high usage players.

Spencer is more suited to having the ball in his hands, perfect for the second unit or substituting for Kyrie.

I'm not really seeing the problem with fitting this all together, other than the thought of trading LeVert, now of all times. IMO the team also has significant more gelling to do, now, and in the future with the returning players. So yeah, doesn't seem like an ideal time for that trade to me, particularly since one PF is coming back soon, one rookie PF/C can hopefully make some strides in the coming months, and one badass PF will hopefully come back late this season, or next.
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Post#72 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 3, 2019 9:32 pm

All of our core players become 100x better once Kevin Durant is on the court. I'm not entertaining the idea of any trades.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#73 » by clo12345 » Tue Dec 3, 2019 10:49 pm

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clo12345 wrote:I dont think its fair saying Levert has the higher upside with the way Dinwiddies been playing. That said I would take Leverts play in the playoffs vs. the 76ers ALL DAY.

Unfortunately you can have so many high usage players on the same team. Hopefully they all gel when they get healthy.

I'd say LeVert is the more useful player with the ball out of his hands, is the better long range shooter, is more suited to the wing, and overall better complements Kyrie... not to mention, complements the Kyrie / Durant combo in future. These are things which I think make him a better fit with other high usage players.

Spencer is more suited to having the ball in his hands, perfect for the second unit or substituting for Kyrie.

I'm not really seeing the problem with fitting this all together, other than the thought of trading LeVert, now of all times. IMO the team also has significant more gelling to do, now, and in the future with the returning players. So yeah, doesn't seem like an ideal time for that trade to me, particularly since one PF is coming back soon, one rookie PF/C can hopefully make some strides in the coming months, and one badass PF will hopefully come back late this season, or next.

Again I disagree and Levert is NOT a better shooter. You cited a 9 game sample where Levert is shooting slightly better. How about the last 10 game + sample from Dinwiddie?
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Post#74 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Dec 3, 2019 11:17 pm

Levert will bring back little trade value right now because of his injuries.

I would consider trading him next off season for an all star. Let's say Brad Beal for Levert, Allen, picks. Would be pretty good value and make sense for the Wiz.

Other than that, I don't see any trades making sense. This team is missing its biggest piece and will look 10x better once hes back.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#75 » by gigantes » Tue Dec 3, 2019 11:19 pm

clo12345 wrote:Again I disagree and Levert is NOT a better shooter. You cited a 9 game sample where Levert is shooting slightly better. How about the last 10 game + sample from Dinwiddie?

Yes, I was citing their current season averages, such as they are.

Or in career long-range shooting, Caris is at 33% versus 32% for Spencer.

Also, as a young player finishing his third year, 3pt shooting was arguably the biggest knock against LeVert in the offseason, and the numbers seem to suggest that that's something he worked hard on this past summer.

Meanwhile, listening to DWidd recently, I seem to recall him actually saying something like "yeah, I could probably stand to work on my long range shooting." A recent article was also talking about Kenny still encouraging him to drive more and shoot the three less.

So yeah, maybe there's another reality out there in which Spencer appears to be the better long range shooter, but I don't have access to the dimensional portal at the moment.
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Post#76 » by clo12345 » Yesterday 12:18 am

gigantes wrote:
clo12345 wrote:Again I disagree and Levert is NOT a better shooter. You cited a 9 game sample where Levert is shooting slightly better. How about the last 10 game + sample from Dinwiddie?

Yes, I was citing their current season averages, such as they are.

Or in career long-range shooting, Caris is at 33% versus 32% for Spencer.

Also, as a young player finishing his third year, 3pt shooting was arguably the biggest knock against LeVert in the offseason, and the numbers seem to suggest that that's something he worked hard on this past summer.

Meanwhile, listening to DWidd recently, I seem to recall him actually saying something like "yeah, I could probably stand to work on my long range shooting." A recent article was also talking about Kenny still encouraging him to drive more and shoot the three less.

So yeah, maybe there's another reality out there in which Spencer appears to be the better long range shooter, but I don't have access to the dimensional portal at the moment.

True Shooting % in 18-19
Levert .509
Dinwiddie .580

True Shooting % in 19-20
Levert .491
Dinwiddie .561

Field Goal % from 25-29ft. in 18-19

Levert .306
Dinwiddie .361

Field Goal % from 25-29ft. in 19-20

Levert .28
Dinwiddie .342

Or is that too advanced for you?
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#77 » by Prokorov » Yesterday 2:33 am

gigantes wrote:
Prokorov wrote:there is no way levert is a better defender than dinwiddie. A big part of why we have been better defensively is levert is out and temple is in

i wouldnt trade levert because the position we would need to fill is the position he already plays and a 1-for-1 likely doesnt bring us back anyone better unless its someone in their walk year

clo12345 wrote:Disagree, and I don't think its close. Dinwiddie has the ability to create his own shot and is a great long distance shooter, something Levert can't do. And while he does have defensive lapses he's much better fighting through screens and get more blocks. Plus hes long and stronger

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?

From the advanced PM stats I've seen, Caris is the significantly more effective defender. Now sure, you may point out that PM is inherently flawed, but the point of the advanced models is to ameliorate such shortcomings, such as via the RAPTOR stat.

Maybe DWidd looks better in the eye test, but the advanced numbers don't seem to bear it out.

Also, au contraire, LeVert is in fact a really good (and growing) shot creator, and a significantly better 3pt shooter this season (36% on 4attempts) vs. Spencer (32% on 6). DWidd has been higher usage of course, but that's countered by Caris probably taking his shots more naturally within the flow of the game, which DWidd still struggles mightily with in his 6th year in the league.

And like I was talking about, LeVert is the guy with likely the higher upside and the lower present value. Trading him now seems like an awful idea unless you somehow get a honey of a deal... which seems pretty uncertain right now.


offensively you can argue levert is better.

you can also argue dinwiddie is average or worse defensively. but levert is between bad and awful defensively. dinwiddie is clearly better
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#78 » by MrDollarBills » Yesterday 2:43 am

I would prefer to maintain maximum depth as long as the team can feasibly afford to.

Irving, Dinwiddie, LeVert
Harris, Temple
Durant, Prince
Allen, Jordan, Claxton

this is a loaded squad and doesn't include who we can nab for the exception next summer. I'm not trading any of the players listed above.
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Post#79 » by gigantes » Yesterday 5:13 am

clo12345 wrote:
gigantes wrote:
clo12345 wrote:Again I disagree and Levert is NOT a better shooter. You cited a 9 game sample where Levert is shooting slightly better. How about the last 10 game + sample from Dinwiddie?

Yes, I was citing their current season averages, such as they are.

Or in career long-range shooting, Caris is at 33% versus 32% for Spencer.

Also, as a young player finishing his third year, 3pt shooting was arguably the biggest knock against LeVert in the offseason, and the numbers seem to suggest that that's something he worked hard on this past summer.

Meanwhile, listening to DWidd recently, I seem to recall him actually saying something like "yeah, I could probably stand to work on my long range shooting." A recent article was also talking about Kenny still encouraging him to drive more and shoot the three less.

So yeah, maybe there's another reality out there in which Spencer appears to be the better long range shooter, but I don't have access to the dimensional portal at the moment.

True Shooting % in 18-19
Levert .509
Dinwiddie .580

True Shooting % in 19-20
Levert .491
Dinwiddie .561

Field Goal % from 25-29ft. in 18-19

Levert .306
Dinwiddie .361

Field Goal % from 25-29ft. in 19-20

Levert .28
Dinwiddie .342

Or is that too advanced for you?

Ah, so the "the data is too advanced for me to comprehend, ey?" And yet in terms of shooting disparity, I thought from the start we were discussing 3pt shooting, no? You know, the way I specifically mentioned in my first comment...?

Or is quoting & adding on a bunch of stats nobody was talking about in the first place somehow relevant here?

Regardless-- I do gotta give you bonus points for coming up with "I DISAGREE" in response to the various, point-by-point arguments I made above. Like, +10 +10 +10 psychokinesis points for you, my friend!

In any case, cheers and good luck to you, matey, and I wouldn't wait up for a reply again, in future.
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Re: What are some trade ideas you’d entertain? 

Post#80 » by clo12345 » Yesterday 6:18 am

Cheers brother meant no disrespect, I was going beyond the raw 3% is all. Id rather trust the guy with a greater FT% and who can launch it a couple feet from the 3 point line to shoot the ball.

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