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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#121 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:49 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Unless a deal for a third star like KAT or Bradley Beal emerges, LeVert is not being traded.


I think both KAT and Beal are awful fits. im not sure id take them for free because of how bad the fit is. we need more guys who are either stars defensively or who dont need the ball to impact the game. especially with KD back.

If we can get a covington type for levert we should 100% do it. if only to mitigate the injury risk.


Covington would be a solid fit at SF, we can slide Harris next to Kyrie in the backcourt.

Let's see what happens though. I have a feeling the Nets are going to roll with Kyrie/Harris/Prince/KD/Allen next fall with Dinwiddie/LeVert leading the bench. Prince is a good one on one defender and when his only job on offense is to space the floor he excels. I don't see us making any significant trades tbh, I think the depth that we can march out there next year could trump the pursuit of a third star.
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#122 » by Prokorov » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:03 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Unless a deal for a third star like KAT or Bradley Beal emerges, LeVert is not being traded.


I think both KAT and Beal are awful fits. im not sure id take them for free because of how bad the fit is. we need more guys who are either stars defensively or who dont need the ball to impact the game. especially with KD back.

If we can get a covington type for levert we should 100% do it. if only to mitigate the injury risk.


Covington would be a solid fit at SF, we can slide Harris next to Kyrie in the backcourt.

Let's see what happens though. I have a feeling the Nets are going to roll with Kyrie/Harris/Prince/KD/Allen next fall with Dinwiddie/LeVert leading the bench. Prince is a good one on one defender and when his only job on offense is to space the floor he excels. I don't see us making any significant trades tbh, I think the depth that we can march out there next year could trump the pursuit of a third star.


i dont think covington is a third star. i think we have a 2-3 year window for a title and that we should try and maximize that. I'm not saying go all in but turning Levert into a more reliable player from a shooting and health perspective makes sense. Kyrie is already injury prone himself. would suck to lose some games because we needed to reply on pinson or musa off the bench cause levert is out for 25 games again or something.

Plus, we really need more wing defenders. we can draft the next levert with the philly pick
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#123 » by NetsJets » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:34 pm

We already have Temple and Prince as 3 and D players. We don’t need more 3 and D guys. We need guys that can actually score the basketball and create and that’s what makes LeVert valuable to this team.
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#124 » by Papi_swav » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:48 pm

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I think both KAT and Beal are awful fits. im not sure id take them for free because of how bad the fit is. we need more guys who are either stars defensively or who dont need the ball to impact the game. especially with KD back.

If we can get a covington type for levert we should 100% do it. if only to mitigate the injury risk.


Covington would be a solid fit at SF, we can slide Harris next to Kyrie in the backcourt.

Let's see what happens though. I have a feeling the Nets are going to roll with Kyrie/Harris/Prince/KD/Allen next fall with Dinwiddie/LeVert leading the bench. Prince is a good one on one defender and when his only job on offense is to space the floor he excels. I don't see us making any significant trades tbh, I think the depth that we can march out there next year could trump the pursuit of a third star.


i dont think covington is a third star. i think we have a 2-3 year window for a title and that we should try and maximize that. I'm not saying go all in but turning Levert into a more reliable player from a shooting and health perspective makes sense. Kyrie is already injury prone himself. would suck to lose some games because we needed to reply on pinson or musa off the bench cause levert is out for 25 games again or something.

Plus, we really need more wing defenders. we can draft the next levert with the philly pick

Dang you really think we only have a 2-3 year window Prok? Kyrie is still only 27 and KD is 31, Din, Levert and Allen is still young. I pray that KD has the longevity LeBron has.
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#125 » by Papi_swav » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:55 pm

NetsJets wrote:We already have Temple and Prince as 3 and D players. We don’t need more 3 and D guys. We need guys that can actually score the basketball and create and that’s what makes LeVert valuable to this team.

Disagree. There is only one ball and we have multiple ball handlers and shot creators, (KD, Kyrie, Din, Levert), the ball will be in those guys hands most of the time. We don't have enough 3&D guys that are consistent. You need as much 3&D guys as you can to play next to our 2 top offensive stars in Kyrie and KD. Those guys will have all the attention on them so you need a knockdown shooter next to them, which is why Joe is soooo important. But Joe is not that great defensively even though he's not a liability.

We need a top notch defender to defend wing guys like Kawhi, PG, Harden, Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Klay, Doncic, Booker etc. The first name that pops in my mind is Covington. I believe wings are still the key to winning a chip. Even though KD will play the 4, he is our wing offensively. I do think we need a 3rd string PG that can score and create, a guy like Napier or similar.
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#126 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:14 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Covington would be a solid fit at SF, we can slide Harris next to Kyrie in the backcourt.

Let's see what happens though. I have a feeling the Nets are going to roll with Kyrie/Harris/Prince/KD/Allen next fall with Dinwiddie/LeVert leading the bench. Prince is a good one on one defender and when his only job on offense is to space the floor he excels. I don't see us making any significant trades tbh, I think the depth that we can march out there next year could trump the pursuit of a third star.


i dont think covington is a third star. i think we have a 2-3 year window for a title and that we should try and maximize that. I'm not saying go all in but turning Levert into a more reliable player from a shooting and health perspective makes sense. Kyrie is already injury prone himself. would suck to lose some games because we needed to reply on pinson or musa off the bench cause levert is out for 25 games again or something.

Plus, we really need more wing defenders. we can draft the next levert with the philly pick

Dang you really think we only have a 2-3 year window Prok? Kyrie is still only 27 and KD is 31, Din, Levert and Allen is still young. I pray that KD has the longevity LeBron has.

Unless you’re a GOAT candidate (like MJ or LBJ), the tides and evolution of the NBA usually limit a team’s peak to 2-3 years and 3-7 year prime.

KD is an ATG but he’s not at LeBron’s level.

The only way I see our title window being longer is if we somehow end up drafting someone who slid in the draft and they end up being a monster from the start.
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Post#127 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:19 pm

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NetsJets wrote:We already have Temple and Prince as 3 and D players. We don’t need more 3 and D guys. We need guys that can actually score the basketball and create and that’s what makes LeVert valuable to this team.

Disagree. There is only one ball and we have multiple ball handlers and shot creators, (KD, Kyrie, Din, Levert), the ball will be in those guys hands most of the time. We don't have enough 3&D guys that are consistent. You need as much 3&D guys as you can to play next to our 2 top offensive stars in Kyrie and KD. Those guys will have all the attention on them so you need a knockdown shooter next to them, which is why Joe is soooo important. But Joe is not that great defensively even though he's not a liability.

We need a top notch defender to defend wing guys like Kawhi, PG, Harden, Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Klay, Doncic, Booker etc. The first name that pops in my mind is Covington. I believe wings are still the key to winning a chip. Even though KD will play the 4, he is our wing offensively. I do think we need a 3rd string PG that can score and create, a guy like Napier or similar.

Exactly.

This is why I’ve been preaching for 2 seasons now about the need for Levert to improve his shooting in order to reach all star level. He has improved a bit but he needs to become much better/more effective in order for him to be an offensive star. I love Levert but if he doesn’t become a more consistent shooter, his overall on-court effectiveness is rather limited.
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#128 » by NetsJets » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:43 pm

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NetsJets wrote:We already have Temple and Prince as 3 and D players. We don’t need more 3 and D guys. We need guys that can actually score the basketball and create and that’s what makes LeVert valuable to this team.

Disagree. There is only one ball and we have multiple ball handlers and shot creators, (KD, Kyrie, Din, Levert), the ball will be in those guys hands most of the time. We don't have enough 3&D guys that are consistent. You need as much 3&D guys as you can to play next to our 2 top offensive stars in Kyrie and KD. Those guys will have all the attention on them so you need a knockdown shooter next to them, which is why Joe is soooo important. But Joe is not that great defensively even though he's not a liability.

We need a top notch defender to defend wing guys like Kawhi, PG, Harden, Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Klay, Doncic, Booker etc. The first name that pops in my mind is Covington. I believe wings are still the key to winning a chip. Even though KD will play the 4, he is our wing offensively. I do think we need a 3rd string PG that can score and create, a guy like Napier or similar.

Prince, Temple, KD, Levert even Dinwiddie will guard those players.
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Post#129 » by Prokorov » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:46 pm

NetsJets wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
NetsJets wrote:We already have Temple and Prince as 3 and D players. We don’t need more 3 and D guys. We need guys that can actually score the basketball and create and that’s what makes LeVert valuable to this team.

Disagree. There is only one ball and we have multiple ball handlers and shot creators, (KD, Kyrie, Din, Levert), the ball will be in those guys hands most of the time. We don't have enough 3&D guys that are consistent. You need as much 3&D guys as you can to play next to our 2 top offensive stars in Kyrie and KD. Those guys will have all the attention on them so you need a knockdown shooter next to them, which is why Joe is soooo important. But Joe is not that great defensively even though he's not a liability.

We need a top notch defender to defend wing guys like Kawhi, PG, Harden, Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Klay, Doncic, Booker etc. The first name that pops in my mind is Covington. I believe wings are still the key to winning a chip. Even though KD will play the 4, he is our wing offensively. I do think we need a 3rd string PG that can score and create, a guy like Napier or similar.

Prince, Temple, KD, Levert even Dinwiddie will guard those players.


Temple is solid.
Dinwiddie is too but he needs to be on the opponents pick and roll guard/ball handler
Prince is average, and has alot of lapses
Levert is our worst defender
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Post#130 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:35 pm

Prokorov wrote:
NetsJets wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Disagree. There is only one ball and we have multiple ball handlers and shot creators, (KD, Kyrie, Din, Levert), the ball will be in those guys hands most of the time. We don't have enough 3&D guys that are consistent. You need as much 3&D guys as you can to play next to our 2 top offensive stars in Kyrie and KD. Those guys will have all the attention on them so you need a knockdown shooter next to them, which is why Joe is soooo important. But Joe is not that great defensively even though he's not a liability.

We need a top notch defender to defend wing guys like Kawhi, PG, Harden, Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Klay, Doncic, Booker etc. The first name that pops in my mind is Covington. I believe wings are still the key to winning a chip. Even though KD will play the 4, he is our wing offensively. I do think we need a 3rd string PG that can score and create, a guy like Napier or similar.

Prince, Temple, KD, Levert even Dinwiddie will guard those players.


Temple is solid.
Dinwiddie is too but he needs to be on the opponents pick and roll guard/ball handler
Prince is average, and has alot of lapses
Levert is our worst defender


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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#131 » by NetsJets » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:51 pm

Prokorov wrote:
NetsJets wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Disagree. There is only one ball and we have multiple ball handlers and shot creators, (KD, Kyrie, Din, Levert), the ball will be in those guys hands most of the time. We don't have enough 3&D guys that are consistent. You need as much 3&D guys as you can to play next to our 2 top offensive stars in Kyrie and KD. Those guys will have all the attention on them so you need a knockdown shooter next to them, which is why Joe is soooo important. But Joe is not that great defensively even though he's not a liability.

We need a top notch defender to defend wing guys like Kawhi, PG, Harden, Lebron, Jimmy Butler, Klay, Doncic, Booker etc. The first name that pops in my mind is Covington. I believe wings are still the key to winning a chip. Even though KD will play the 4, he is our wing offensively. I do think we need a 3rd string PG that can score and create, a guy like Napier or similar.

Prince, Temple, KD, Levert even Dinwiddie will guard those players.


Temple is solid.
Dinwiddie is too but he needs to be on the opponents pick and roll guard/ball handler
Prince is average, and has alot of lapses
Levert is our worst defender

The point is that they’re going to guard these top players at times during the game. Throw in Harris, Chandler and Kurucs as well. I think we are fine defensively on the wings imo.
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Post#132 » by Prokorov » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:17 am

NetsJets wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
NetsJets wrote:Prince, Temple, KD, Levert even Dinwiddie will guard those players.


Temple is solid.
Dinwiddie is too but he needs to be on the opponents pick and roll guard/ball handler
Prince is average, and has alot of lapses
Levert is our worst defender

The point is that they’re going to guard these top players at times during the game. Throw in Harris, Chandler and Kurucs as well. I think we are fine defensively on the wings imo.


our #1 weakness as a team is defense on the wings.... joe is at best average same with prince. Levert is a really poor defender. Its basically temple. losing nwaba hurt and im still not sure why we didnt bring shumpert back when nwaba went down.

we need a bulldog on this team
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Re: GT: Nets vs. Hawks 1/12/20 6PM EST: Kyrie Returns 

Post#133 » by Papi_swav » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:36 am

NetsJets wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
NetsJets wrote:Prince, Temple, KD, Levert even Dinwiddie will guard those players.


Temple is solid.
Dinwiddie is too but he needs to be on the opponents pick and roll guard/ball handler
Prince is average, and has alot of lapses
Levert is our worst defender

The point is that they’re going to guard these top players at times during the game. Throw in Harris, Chandler and Kurucs as well. I think we are fine defensively on the wings imo.

I don't think we're fine defensively at all on the wings. Like Prok said we need a bulldog, Nwaba was that guy but...

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