GT: Bulls vs Bed Stuy - Sunday, 03/08/20 | 3:00pm EST | Jacque Vaughn era begins...

[MGrand15]

I’m rooting for Vaughn because he’s the coach of my team and also these pro Kenny fans are annoying.

F out of here with this. Pro Kenny fans.

He helped build this organization for 4 years. Helped turn G League cast offs and 2nd rounders into legit rotation players. Rebuilt the careers of veterans who were DONE in the NBA. Developed all of our young players. Helped us overachieve to the point where superstars were willing to sign with us. Brought us to the playoffs. He built this culture after we were at Rock bottom with no picks.

And we repay him by dumping him randomly with 20 games left before the playoffs in a season full of injuries. No one cares about Vaughn but we did Kenny dirty. That's a fact. Whether it was players or ownership or the front office. The Nets messed up.

If it's mutual (which by all indications it was), then we didn't do him dirty. It means that he didn't want to continue as Nets HC either. Just calm down, and look at it from what we know for sure, rather than falling for narratives by random reporters or league fans.

I was against the narratives when SAS was saying baseless stuff like we didn't believe in Kenny Atkinson 2 weeks ago. Clearly he has sources. BTW this is the guy saying Kyrie was causing trouble in tbe organization early in the year. Dismissing them as narratives is just naive at this point.

There's no universe where Kenny happily quits with 20 games left in the season.

Marks had a full press conference and gave us absolutely nothing. I'm not here talking about random reporters. What about the media members we know for sure have sources with the Nets? Zero. Nothing. If Kenny REALLY didn't want to continue, that says a lot about our players and organization honestly.

[MrDollarBills]

F out of here with this. Pro Kenny fans.

He helped build this organization for 4 years. Helped turn G League cast offs and 2nd rounders into legit rotation players. Rebuilt the careers of veterans who were DONE in the NBA. Developed all of our young players. Helped us overachieve to the point where superstars were willing to sign with us. Brought us to the playoffs. He built this culture after we were at Rock bottom with no picks.

And we repay him by dumping him randomly with 20 games left before the playoffs in a season full of injuries. No one cares about Vaughn but we did Kenny dirty. That's a fact. Whether it was players or ownership or the front office. The Nets messed up.

If it's mutual (which by all indications it was), then we didn't do him dirty. It means that he didn't want to continue as Nets HC either. Just calm down, and look at it from what we know for sure, rather than falling for narratives by random reporters or league fans.

I was against the narratives when SAS was saying baseless stuff like we didn't believe in Kenny Atkinson 2 weeks ago. Clearly he has sources. BTW this is the guy saying Kyrie was causing trouble in tbe organization early in the year. Dismissing them as narratives is just naive at this point.

There's no universe where Kenny happily quits with 20 games left in the season.

Marks had a full press conference and gave us absolutely nothing. I'm not here talking about random reporters. What about the media members we know for sure have sources with the Nets? Zero. Nothing. If Kenny REALLY didn't want to continue, that says a lot about our players and organization honestly.

Yeah trying to spin Kenny's alleged mutual agreement to quit as some kind of positive as baffling. That's not a good look when a coach who is highly regarded by his peers just gives up on a situation. Says to me things aren't right behind the scenes.

Stephen A randomly said Irving was causing problems early on. Then days before Kenny "quit", he stated that the Nets and Kenny were on shaky ground.

Something is up.

[Prokorov]

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So the inmates run the asylum in Brooklyn.

DeAndre is one of the players who pushed to get Kenny fired. It's obvious.

I don't want to hear **** about culture anymore.

And Marks better ship Jarrett Allen out of here on draft night. This sends a horrible message

im fine with your opinion and your reaction. but can you not say "inmates". i know it was a tweet someone else said and you are just kind of repeating it. but in trumps america specifically we cant be labelelling a team of mostly blacks as inmates

[Prokorov]

But let’s be honest DeAndre Jordan>>Jarrett Allen. Does that mean that Allen can’t improve? No. But as of 3/8/2020 Jordan is the better player.

im Allen's biggest supporter. i think he is still better than jordan. but DJ has played well, especially of late. kenny's firing or not you could aruge its a good move. the Nic Claxton over Allen stuff is nonsense but a case can be made DJ played himself into a starter.

If it was something like "Kyrie/KD want pinsons to start" and he pops up in the lineup thats different

[Prokorov]

This is why we’re a bad team.

I think everyone here knows this except Porky. He claims I only say we suck when we lose and we're great when we win which total BS. We just suck. And I was actually the first one to say this on this board, at that time everybody gave me crap for it.

We dont suck. the cavs suck. the knicks suck. were an ok team. a few games under .500 despite tons of crippling injuries.

[GTR11]

But let’s be honest DeAndre Jordan>>Jarrett Allen. Does that mean that Allen can’t improve? No. But as of 3/8/2020 Jordan is the better player.

im Allen's biggest supporter. i think he is still better than jordan. but DJ has played well, especially of late. kenny's firing or not you could aruge its a good move. the Nic Claxton over Allen stuff is nonsense but a case can be made DJ played himself into a starter.

If it was something like "Kyrie/KD want pinsons to start" and he pops up in the lineup thats different

Well we will test that theory of yours next year when Allen will be playing on another team. I wonder how long it'll take them before they'll call him soft again.

[Prokorov]

We’ve had issues with turnovers all season. The same rotations for the most part, same offense and defense.

Not 29 turnovers bad. We never played Din/Levert 37 minutes. Vaughn is just trying to continue what Kenny is doing. He didn't use no zone at all, that's Kennys go to.

And also, having the same offense defense and rotations isn't a problem for u? THis is a new coach , he should be trying new things. He's just trying to do what Kenny been doing, instead of using his own ideas and plays. No post ups, no mid range shots, no creative plays.. that's a issue there too.

Those arent just kenny's coching styles thans an organizational philosiphy and trend of modern basketball.

no matter who coaches here your not going to see post ups and unless its your stars you wont see mid range shots

[Prokorov]

Caris is cooking again.

Also, maybe I'm wearing those rose colored glasses, but I don't get the major beef with Jarrett Allen? He's putting up basically 11/10/2/2 on great efficiency as a mobile rim protector in 25mpg in his 3rd season at 21 years of age. It feels like that Vince Carter syndrome, where people hate VC cause he didn't become Jordan... Like just because you think Allen should and could become the next Alonzo Mourning doesn't mean he's trash cause he's a Tyson Chandler clone in his 3rd season off the 22nd pick smfh...

I haven’t been able to tune in to watch these last 40 games as much as I watched the first 20.

But based on what I saw when I was able to watch regularly, Allen was clearly better than DJ. DJ’s occasional good assist does not make up for his cement feet on anything other than finishing alley-oops.

Allen provides better defense.

The only thing I was frustrated about was my belief that Allen has the ability to do so much more on offense but either he wasn’t assertive enough or the coaching staff was holding him back/restricting him, or some mix of the two. However, just before I started missing a bunch of games, I saw Allen being more aggressive. I was becoming happy with his progress.

Did he actually regress? If not, I don’t agree with the move.

The last 15 games DJ has played alot better and Allen hasnt been as good as you typically could rely on.

DJ has actually played some really solid defense

[MrDollarBills]

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So the inmates run the asylum in Brooklyn.

DeAndre is one of the players who pushed to get Kenny fired. It's obvious.

I don't want to hear **** about culture anymore.

And Marks better ship Jarrett Allen out of here on draft night. This sends a horrible message

im fine with your opinion and your reaction. but can you not say "inmates". i know it was a tweet someone else said and you are just kind of repeating it. but in trumps america specifically we cant be labelelling a team of mostly blacks as inmates

I meant it as in "inmates in an insane asylum" but point taken.

[Prokorov]

So the inmates run the asylum in Brooklyn.

DeAndre is one of the players who pushed to get Kenny fired. It's obvious.

I don't want to hear **** about culture anymore.

And Marks better ship Jarrett Allen out of here on draft night. This sends a horrible message

im fine with your opinion and your reaction. but can you not say "inmates". i know it was a tweet someone else said and you are just kind of repeating it. but in trumps america specifically we cant be labelelling a team of mostly blacks as inmates

I meant it as in "inmates in an insane asylum" but point taken.

i know you meant no harm. which is why i brought it up. i know your the last person to want that to come out wrong or be interpreted different

[Papi_swav]

Not 29 turnovers bad. We never played Din/Levert 37 minutes. Vaughn is just trying to continue what Kenny is doing. He didn't use no zone at all, that's Kennys go to.

And also, having the same offense defense and rotations isn't a problem for u? THis is a new coach , he should be trying new things. He's just trying to do what Kenny been doing, instead of using his own ideas and plays. No post ups, no mid range shots, no creative plays.. that's a issue there too.

Those arent just kenny's coching styles thans an organizational philosiphy and trend of modern basketball.

no matter who coaches here your not going to see post ups and unless its your stars you wont see mid range shots

Sure, instead of taking a WIDE OPEN 16 foot shot, rather just run into the lane and crash into 2 defenders, then complain when no fouls are called. Sounds good.

[Prokorov]

And also, having the same offense defense and rotations isn't a problem for u? THis is a new coach , he should be trying new things. He's just trying to do what Kenny been doing, instead of using his own ideas and plays. No post ups, no mid range shots, no creative plays.. that's a issue there too.

Those arent just kenny's coching styles thans an organizational philosiphy and trend of modern basketball.

no matter who coaches here your not going to see post ups and unless its your stars you wont see mid range shots

Sure, instead of taking a WIDE OPEN 16 foot shot, rather just run into the lane and crash into 2 defenders, then complain when no fouls are called. Sounds good.

mathmatically. yes.

There is a reason the majority of teams have gotten rid of post ups and mid range shots. and some to extreme degress and with huge success.

The only reason to take a mid range is it got late in the shot clock or you have an elite star who shoots 50-60% on step backs with a pump fake mixed in to draw fouls. and maybe a few outliers of guys who just suck so bad at the rim but are auto from midrange (Dlo)

[clo12345]

But let’s be honest DeAndre Jordan>>Jarrett Allen. Does that mean that Allen can’t improve? No. But as of 3/8/2020 Jordan is the better player.

im Allen's biggest supporter. i think he is still better than jordan. but DJ has played well, especially of late. kenny's firing or not you could aruge its a good move. the Nic Claxton over Allen stuff is nonsense but a case can be made DJ played himself into a starter.

If it was something like "Kyrie/KD want pinsons to start" and he pops up in the lineup thats different

The gap between them has closed but I also still prefer JA over DJ, mostly because of Allens blocking ability. DJ is a statue on defense

[TheNetsFan]

But let’s be honest DeAndre Jordan>>Jarrett Allen. Does that mean that Allen can’t improve? No. But as of 3/8/2020 Jordan is the better player.

im Allen's biggest supporter. i think he is still better than jordan. but DJ has played well, especially of late. kenny's firing or not you could aruge its a good move. the Nic Claxton over Allen stuff is nonsense but a case can be made DJ played himself into a starter.

If it was something like "Kyrie/KD want pinsons to start" and he pops up in the lineup thats different

The gap between them has closed but I also still prefer JA over DJ, mostly because of Allens blocking ability. DJ is a statue on defense

When assessing stuff like this, I always remember a HS coach that said if 2 players are roughly equal, I'm playing the younger guy. His point was that kid had more time to develop & pay higher dividends in the coming years. In a scenario like this, even if DJ has closed the gap & they're roughly equal, I'm either going matchup based (e.g. DJ against bulkier, offensive focused centers) or always going with the younger guy.