What's up with Levert?

[Prokorov]

This is pure speculation but I do feel this is confidence -yips related. It's not only Levert but it effected Rodi as well. Could the big names we acquired be effecting their play? Last year we had DeAngelo running things. Could they have felt more at ease in that environment? Do they feel inferior and afraid they don't measure up playing along side these top 20 NBA players? Because along with the big names comes more scrutiny.

do yips effect how hard you play? he is walking around on D

[Stone]

This is pure speculation but I do feel this is confidence -yips related. It's not only Levert but it effected Rodi as well. Could the big names we acquired be effecting their play? Last year we had DeAngelo running things. Could they have felt more at ease in that environment? Do they feel inferior and afraid they don't measure up playing along side these top 20 NBA players? Because along with the big names comes more scrutiny.

do yips effect how hard you play? he is walking around on D

It might ....How else do you explain it? He's pro he has to know better and the coaches guiding him have to be pointing this stuff out on the tapes.

[Prokorov]

This is pure speculation but I do feel this is confidence -yips related. It's not only Levert but it effected Rodi as well. Could the big names we acquired be effecting their play? Last year we had DeAngelo running things. Could they have felt more at ease in that environment? Do they feel inferior and afraid they don't measure up playing along side these top 20 NBA players? Because along with the big names comes more scrutiny.

do yips effect how hard you play? he is walking around on D

It might ....How else do you explain it? He's pro he has to know better and the coaches guiding him have to be pointing this stuff out on the tapes.

I think he just isnt the player we thought he was and injuries have beat him down and he isnt in the shape he once was.

[MGrand15]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

[ecuhus1981]

I've been impressed with Caris of late, for sure. The jury is still out, as to whether he and Spencer are good fits around KD & KI.

But, if they continue to play this well until the end of the season, it's kind of tough to justify trading them for a non-All-Star. Even if they aren't ideal complements.

[MrDollarBills]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

That is some excellent production and the fact that he has become a reliable 3 point shooter is a huge plus.

It all depends on if Kyrie/KD/DJ want him around long term though. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective...I don't see that working out. I would trade him while his value is high

[Claud]

I've been impressed with Caris of late, for sure. The jury is still out, as to whether he and Spencer are good fits around KD & KI.

But, if they continue to play this well until the end of the season, it's kind of tough to justify trading them for a non-All-Star. Even if they aren't ideal complements.

I think we keep LeVert(higher ceiling) and package Dinwiddie/Fro/picks/filler for another star player.

[Prokorov]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

Yeah, he looks great. The threes are really encouraging. I think the one thing that will take him to the next level will be if he goes back to being a passer on drives. a couple year ago on drives he would always look to find allen for a layup/dunk as first option, then go up otherwise. now he seems intent on just trying to score... which isnt all that bad other than he isnt a great finisher. his assist rate/assists tell the same story.

-less passes into the second row
-more passes to Allen/DJ on drives
-Keep doing everything your doing

and he should be good to go. Vaughn making it clear he is 1a to dinwiddie could help too. seems that was an issue with kenny

[MrDollarBills]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

Yeah, he looks great. The threes are really encouraging. I think the one thing that will take him to the next level will be if he goes back to being a passer on drives. a couple year ago on drives he would always look to find allen for a layup/dunk as first option, then go up otherwise. now he seems intent on just trying to score... which isnt all that bad other than he isnt a great finisher. his assist rate/assists tell the same story.

-less passes into the second row
-more passes to Allen/DJ on drives
-Keep doing everything your doing

and he should be good to go. Vaughn making it clear he is 1a to dinwiddie could help too. seems that was an issue with kenny

I don't get how these guys didn't understand the pecking order. Kyrie gets the ball, the other guard plays off of him.

I dunno, it just seems silly to me. There wasn't an issue last year with DLo/Spencer/Caris

[MGrand15]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

Yeah, he looks great. The threes are really encouraging. I think the one thing that will take him to the next level will be if he goes back to being a passer on drives. a couple year ago on drives he would always look to find allen for a layup/dunk as first option, then go up otherwise. now he seems intent on just trying to score... which isnt all that bad other than he isnt a great finisher. his assist rate/assists tell the same story.

-less passes into the second row
-more passes to Allen/DJ on drives
-Keep doing everything your doing

and he should be good to go. Vaughn making it clear he is 1a to dinwiddie could help too. seems that was an issue with kenny

Yeah for sure. If he can find the balance between passing and scoring, he's a different player. He seems to be turning a corner there too though which is encouraging. He's had a bunch of 5+ assist games recently. The problem with LeVert has always been consistency. He needs to keep it up. Dude has higher highs and lower lows than any player I've ever seen.

[Prokorov]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

Yeah, he looks great. The threes are really encouraging. I think the one thing that will take him to the next level will be if he goes back to being a passer on drives. a couple year ago on drives he would always look to find allen for a layup/dunk as first option, then go up otherwise. now he seems intent on just trying to score... which isnt all that bad other than he isnt a great finisher. his assist rate/assists tell the same story.

-less passes into the second row
-more passes to Allen/DJ on drives
-Keep doing everything your doing

and he should be good to go. Vaughn making it clear he is 1a to dinwiddie could help too. seems that was an issue with kenny

I don't get how these guys didn't understand the pecking order. Kyrie gets the ball, the other guard plays off of him.

I dunno, it just seems silly to me. There wasn't an issue last year with DLo/Spencer/Caris

i dont think its with regards to kyrie... i think it is with regards to levert/dinwiddie

[Prokorov]

This thread was completely on point at the time but he's REALLY turned it around since then. He's flashing some real all star talent. Easily the best stretch of his career. While we can't ignore his lows (and how long they tend to last), I think his play recently is showing that he has a higher ceiling than I expected. And I've been high on Caris since day 1. He's getting to the rim. Killing it from midrange + floaters. Basically all of his 3s are pull up 3s. That's not easy at all. His passing and decision making have been more what we expected recently.

Stats since becoming a starter - 15 games:
32.8 MPG, 24.2 PTS, 5.4 APG, 4.7 RPG - 45%/41.7%/78.7% - 2.7 3PM - 56.1 TS% - NET RTG +7.8

1 legendary game versus Boston. 1 super efficient triple double vs San Antonio. Really impressive stuff. His confidence is sky high.

Yeah, he looks great. The threes are really encouraging. I think the one thing that will take him to the next level will be if he goes back to being a passer on drives. a couple year ago on drives he would always look to find allen for a layup/dunk as first option, then go up otherwise. now he seems intent on just trying to score... which isnt all that bad other than he isnt a great finisher. his assist rate/assists tell the same story.

-less passes into the second row
-more passes to Allen/DJ on drives
-Keep doing everything your doing

and he should be good to go. Vaughn making it clear he is 1a to dinwiddie could help too. seems that was an issue with kenny

Yeah for sure. If he can find the balance between passing and scoring, he's a different player. He seems to be turning a corner there too though which is encouraging. He's had a bunch of 5+ assist games recently. The problem with LeVert has always been consistency. He needs to keep it up. Dude has higher highs and lower lows than any player I've ever seen.

i think the consistency (other than injuries playing a role) comes from him having below avg athleticism for a scoring guard. you look at other 1/2 option 15-20+ ppg scorers and all of the good ones are good to elite finishers who play above the rim. the difference between leverts good and bad games is typically making or missing all his shots 3 feet and in

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, he looks great. The threes are really encouraging. I think the one thing that will take him to the next level will be if he goes back to being a passer on drives. a couple year ago on drives he would always look to find allen for a layup/dunk as first option, then go up otherwise. now he seems intent on just trying to score... which isnt all that bad other than he isnt a great finisher. his assist rate/assists tell the same story.

-less passes into the second row
-more passes to Allen/DJ on drives
-Keep doing everything your doing

and he should be good to go. Vaughn making it clear he is 1a to dinwiddie could help too. seems that was an issue with kenny

I don't get how these guys didn't understand the pecking order. Kyrie gets the ball, the other guard plays off of him.

I dunno, it just seems silly to me. There wasn't an issue last year with DLo/Spencer/Caris

i dont think its with regards to kyrie... i think it is with regards to levert/dinwiddie

Then Spencer is going to have a rough time next season because Durant is going to command the ball more than both of them. Will he want his role explained to him like he's a 5 year old then as well?

Smh. Honestly Spencer has lost me too with this bull ****. He stabbed Kenny in the back.

[Prokorov]

I don't get how these guys didn't understand the pecking order. Kyrie gets the ball, the other guard plays off of him.

I dunno, it just seems silly to me. There wasn't an issue last year with DLo/Spencer/Caris

i dont think its with regards to kyrie... i think it is with regards to levert/dinwiddie

Then Spencer is going to have a rough time next season because Durant is going to command the ball more than both of them. Will he want his role explained to him like he's a 5 year old then as well?

Smh. Honestly Spencer has lost me too with this bull ****. He stabbed Kenny in the back.

I dont think Spencer has any issue being 6th man... being 3rd fiddle to KD/Kyrie.

I think he is probably really confused, in the absence of Kyrie/KD what his role is. is it him or levert who is the alpha? Given that he has produced better numbers, and that the team has won more with him as lead dog than levert (both this year and last year) i dont think its really out of bounds to question it.... or at least be like "whats the deal"

i dont really know how it all went down, how long it was brewing, what other players felt, etc so its hard to say dinwiddie was right or wrong.

im kennys biggest defender, initially i was PISSED. but it seems like it really wasnt working and while it looks like dinwiddie/Jordan were the ones with the biggest beefs, it seems like several players were upset with him and not defining roles.

Dinwiddie has kind of been the heart of this team if you bridge the past 2 seasons. him and D-Lo last year and him this year. its hard for me to trash him without knowing more. not to say he defintely was in the right but we dont know

[NetsJets]

Injuries are always derailing him. He’ll have a nice stretch then BAM, gets hurt. Comes back plays okayish at first then plays terrible then turns it around and plays amazing, the cycle continues.

[MrDollarBills]

LeVert continues to pour in the production. Can we get a full season of this next year?

[gigantes]

i think the consistency (other than injuries playing a role) comes from him having below avg athleticism for a scoring guard. you look at other 1/2 option 15-20+ ppg scorers and all of the good ones are good to elite finishers who play above the rim. the difference between leverts good and bad games is typically making or missing all his shots 3 feet and in

Wow, I've never heard that said about LeVert before.

No opinion here yet, just... processing.