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Post#121 » by GYK » Mon Mar 1, 2021 3:39 am

MrDollarBills wrote:It must be a miracle that the Nets are #2 in the East while having the worst coach in the league at the helm with KD and Kyrie missing 80% of our games.

I mean he is obviously a offensive genius. I could be too hard on the defense but they are bad. We haven’t won a game on the back of our defense. I could not be seeing the forest through the trees because switching in the playoffs has been FAR FAR FAR more effective than the regular season yet that was determining which switches was viable or not(see last year Heat a slew of switchable players but they refused to let Dragic/Robinson/Herro/Kelly be targeted willingly while also having Bam still in paint protection range, because even tho switching becomes more important PS rim protection never becomes less important. The Celtics and Rockets, tho only first round it was good, shown how effective switching is.) Teams hunt more in the playoffs and we don’t seem to avoid that eventuality yet but walk right into it as if they won’t just stop adjust and isolate once they find their matchup.
Offensively he got it. But switching everything is wrong. There’s scenarios it’s made for in the PS but it does half of a playoff team work for them removing paint protection and giving them their ideal matchups.
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Post#122 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Mar 2, 2021 9:42 pm

Steve Nash is the Eastern Conference coach of the month
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Post#123 » by DarkXaero » Tue Mar 2, 2021 9:58 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Steve Nash is the Eastern Conference coach of the month
Well deserved. Joe was on Woj's podcast today and spoke very highly of Nash. As per Joe's words, "Nash is the epitome of what you want in emotional intelligence", and his leadership/optimism gravitated to the team over the course of the season. He said that Nash isn't afraid to delegate to his stacked coaching staff, and he has been the ultimate leader for the group. This is exactly why Marks chose him as the HC.
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Post#124 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 3, 2021 12:22 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:Steve Nash is the Eastern Conference coach of the month
Well deserved. Joe was on Woj's podcast today and spoke very highly of Nash. As per Joe's words, "Nash is the epitome of what you want in emotional intelligence", and his leadership/optimism gravitated to the team over the course of the season. He said that Nash isn't afraid to delegate to his stacked coaching staff, and he has been the ultimate leader for the group. This is exactly why Marks chose him as the HC.


Emotional intelligence is an undervalued quality in people in general, especially ones put in positions of leadership.
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Post#125 » by therealbig3 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 12:32 am

LMAO, apparently the worst coach of all time who couldn't coach a rec league and gets bailed out by the superstar talent on his team wins Eastern Conference coach of the month...not bad.

Surprised him and Claxton haven't been hired by Whole Foods yet. Somehow, they're clinging to their jobs by a thread.
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Post#126 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 3, 2021 12:35 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Steve Nash is the Eastern Conference coach of the month
Well deserved. Joe was on Woj's podcast today and spoke very highly of Nash. As per Joe's words, "Nash is the epitome of what you want in emotional intelligence", and his leadership/optimism gravitated to the team over the course of the season. He said that Nash isn't afraid to delegate to his stacked coaching staff, and he has been the ultimate leader for the group. This is exactly why Marks chose him as the HC.


Emotional intelligence is an undervalued quality in people in general, especially ones put in positions of leadership.


Yup. as a manager of egos he has been great. and with 3 stars thats more important so it cant just be brushed aside. as an in game coach thought... F-minus
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Post#127 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 3, 2021 12:37 am

therealbig3 wrote:LMAO, apparently the worst coach of all time who couldn't coach a rec league and gets bailed out by the superstar talent on his team wins Eastern Conference coach of the month...not bad.

Surprised him and Claxton haven't been hired by Whole Foods yet. Somehow, they're clinging to their jobs by a thread.


i mean its basically based on record. unless you think the writers who vote on this who still think we are in NJ actually are doing work to determine who coached better?

Admitted i was wrong on claxton. as ive admitted being wrong before. "worst coach of all-time" is hyperbole. i obviosly no nothing about coaching 50 years ago. i can comfortably say the worst nets coach in my lifetime (43 years). And im not being sarcastic when i say he makes mistakes you dont see in kids rec games.
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Post#128 » by therealbig3 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 2:01 am

Nah Nash puts Kidd and Avery to shame. There's a reason they're not head coaches anymore. Meanwhile, Nash is going to stick around as a head coach for a while imo. He's already an above average coach, with plenty of room to improve.
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Post#129 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 3, 2021 3:52 am

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therealbig3 wrote:LMAO, apparently the worst coach of all time who couldn't coach a rec league and gets bailed out by the superstar talent on his team wins Eastern Conference coach of the month...not bad.

Surprised him and Claxton haven't been hired by Whole Foods yet. Somehow, they're clinging to their jobs by a thread.


i mean its basically based on record. unless you think the writers who vote on this who still think we are in NJ actually are doing work to determine who coached better?

Admitted i was wrong on claxton. as ive admitted being wrong before. "worst coach of all-time" is hyperbole. i obviosly no nothing about coaching 50 years ago. i can comfortably say the worst nets coach in my lifetime (43 years). And im not being sarcastic when i say he makes mistakes you dont see in kids rec games.


We are #2 in the East and this is with volatility in the line up due to trades, covid, and injury. He deserves the credit. It's not like we've reached this level with the Big 3 playing every game.

You want to blame him for every time that we lose, but you don't give him credit for when we win.

This is a team effort. If the team loses, the players and coaches need to be held accountable. When we win, everyone plays their part. It just isn't all Steve Nash. We can dissect losses and find a lot of stink coming from our roster as well as the coaching decisions.

I honestly think that Nash being EC Coach of the month, and Harden being player of the month or whatever isn't a coincidence. These two guys are leading this team.
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Post#130 » by GYK » Wed Mar 3, 2021 9:41 am

Post Spencer trade and MLE defense determines everything you need to know about Nash. 2020 seven seconds/New MDA or the Warriors on steroids.
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Post#131 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:13 pm

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We are #2 in the East and this is with volatility in the line up due to trades, covid, and injury. He deserves the credit. It's not like we've reached this level with the Big 3 playing every game.


Lets take a step back. We were barely .500 (7-6) pre-harden. That was with Levert, Allen, and Prince. It required James Harden playing at player of the month levels and 30/10/10 stats this past 10 games to reach that 2 seed. and it is only a 2 seed because the easy is so weak (only 2 other teams over .500). We wouldnt be a top 4 seed in the west with this record. "only" having 1 or 2 of our stars available is not a handicap. There are only a few teams that have 1 guy as good as Kyrie or Harden, or KD. let alone 2 of them like we have had most nights.

You want to blame him for every time that we lose, but you don't give him credit for when we win.


Because we win in spite of him. It shouldnt take harden 30/10/10 triple double and heroball from kyrie to beat sub .500 teams or teams barely over .500 in OT. When we lose, its typically because we couldnt overcome his coaching.... like the spurs game, we nearly lost due to coaching, but we win inspite of nash being god awful the end of that game.

This is a team effort. If the team loses, the players and coaches need to be held accountable. When we win, everyone plays their part. It just isn't all Steve Nash. We can dissect losses and find a lot of stink coming from our roster as well as the coaching decisions.


It isnt that simple and its easy to see our players are playing outstanding. And anything about "the roster" is kind of nonsense at this point. DJ/Claxton/Green is at worst an average trio for 48 minutes at center and DJ despite the hate has been solid this year. We have the best backcourt in basketball with Kyrie/Harden and then have Tyler Johnson/Shamet backing that up. Shamet started slow but how many teams have a better shooter off their bench who is a positive on D. Harris is the best 3 point shooter in the league and Brown was an absolute steal as a defender/toughness guy who has shown he can play both SF and PF. then you have depth beyond that with TLC. We have the arguably the best starting lineup in the east/league WITHOUT durant and then some solid pieces off the bench.

I honestly think that Nash being EC Coach of the month, and Harden being player of the month or whatever isn't a coincidence. These two guys are leading this team.


Harden shouldered this team to 9-1. Nash did little to help us win those games and nearly cost us several. to think otherwise in my opinion is outrageous.
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Post#132 » by MGrand15 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:40 pm

Coaching really isn't a problem on this team. We have an elite group of assistant coaches. We have an elite offensive structure. It would be easy to get bogged down into gross iso-ball with stars - that hasn't happened at all. The team has stayed connected through a ton of changes and pressure. The defense has started to stabilize.

Not a fan of the minutes our stars play and you can always pick at small adjustments here and there (while of course ignoring all the good decisions) but I think coaching is more about the overall positives vs negative + philosophy. Nash has done a lot more good. Our approach is modern and has everyone on the team feeling like they have the confidence of the coaching staff.
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Post#133 » by Prokorov » Wed Mar 3, 2021 4:47 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Coaching really isn't a problem on this team. We have an elite group of assistant coaches. We have an elite offensive structure. It would be easy to get bogged down into gross iso-ball with stars - that hasn't happened at all. The team has stayed connected through a ton of changes and pressure. The defense has started to stabilize.

Not a fan of the minutes our stars play and you can always pick at small adjustments here and there (while of course ignoring all the good decisions) but I think coaching is more about the overall positives vs negative + philosophy. Nash has done a lot more good. Our approach is modern and has everyone on the team feeling like they have the confidence of the coaching staff.


i dont think he misses small adjustments.

I think he misses obvious, real time, fundamental adjustments and has issues with things that are basic and there is a clear only1 right way to do it. and that happens several times a game. Its glaring and it has cost us wins, and its not out of the question it costs us a title.
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Post#134 » by MGrand15 » Wed Mar 3, 2021 6:12 pm

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MGrand15 wrote:Coaching really isn't a problem on this team. We have an elite group of assistant coaches. We have an elite offensive structure. It would be easy to get bogged down into gross iso-ball with stars - that hasn't happened at all. The team has stayed connected through a ton of changes and pressure. The defense has started to stabilize.

Not a fan of the minutes our stars play and you can always pick at small adjustments here and there (while of course ignoring all the good decisions) but I think coaching is more about the overall positives vs negative + philosophy. Nash has done a lot more good. Our approach is modern and has everyone on the team feeling like they have the confidence of the coaching staff.


i dont think he misses small adjustments.

I think he misses obvious, real time, fundamental adjustments and has issues with things that are basic and there is a clear only1 right way to do it. and that happens several times a game. Its glaring and it has cost us wins, and its not out of the question it costs us a title.


Yeah, every fanbase says this stuff about their coach and adjustments. Easiest way to kill a coach you don't like. Complain about not scrapping the whole gameplan after a few plays.

Even if Nash missed it, MDA + Vaughn + Udoka are not missing it. If somehow they all miss it, our best players have high BBIQ - they won't miss it. This isn't some young, inexperienced group.

He's made some calls I disagree with but outside of the Wizard game, I don't think he's missed anything glaring.
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Post#135 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 3, 2021 6:36 pm

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We are #2 in the East and this is with volatility in the line up due to trades, covid, and injury. He deserves the credit. It's not like we've reached this level with the Big 3 playing every game.


Lets take a step back. We were barely .500 (7-6) pre-harden. That was with Levert, Allen, and Prince. It required James Harden playing at player of the month levels and 30/10/10 stats this past 10 games to reach that 2 seed. and it is only a 2 seed because the easy is so weak (only 2 other teams over .500). We wouldnt be a top 4 seed in the west with this record. "only" having 1 or 2 of our stars available is not a handicap. There are only a few teams that have 1 guy as good as Kyrie or Harden, or KD. let alone 2 of them like we have had most nights.

You want to blame him for every time that we lose, but you don't give him credit for when we win.


Because we win in spite of him. It shouldnt take harden 30/10/10 triple double and heroball from kyrie to beat sub .500 teams or teams barely over .500 in OT. When we lose, its typically because we couldnt overcome his coaching.... like the spurs game, we nearly lost due to coaching, but we win inspite of nash being god awful the end of that game.

This is a team effort. If the team loses, the players and coaches need to be held accountable. When we win, everyone plays their part. It just isn't all Steve Nash. We can dissect losses and find a lot of stink coming from our roster as well as the coaching decisions.


It isnt that simple and its easy to see our players are playing outstanding. And anything about "the roster" is kind of nonsense at this point. DJ/Claxton/Green is at worst an average trio for 48 minutes at center and DJ despite the hate has been solid this year. We have the best backcourt in basketball with Kyrie/Harden and then have Tyler Johnson/Shamet backing that up. Shamet started slow but how many teams have a better shooter off their bench who is a positive on D. Harris is the best 3 point shooter in the league and Brown was an absolute steal as a defender/toughness guy who has shown he can play both SF and PF. then you have depth beyond that with TLC. We have the arguably the best starting lineup in the east/league WITHOUT durant and then some solid pieces off the bench.

I honestly think that Nash being EC Coach of the month, and Harden being player of the month or whatever isn't a coincidence. These two guys are leading this team.


Harden shouldered this team to 9-1. Nash did little to help us win those games and nearly cost us several. to think otherwise in my opinion is outrageous.


Do you realize that you're saying that every time we win, Nash has nothing to do with it, and every time we lose it's completely his fault? How is this even remotely a rational position Prok?

It's not all or nothing, it never has been. We win as a team, lose as a team. It's always a mixture of what is happening on the floor and the sidelines. Has Nash f'd up in games this season? Absolutely. Is he 100% the reason why we lose games? Absolutely not.
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