GT: Knicks at Nets. 11/30/2021 7:30 pm EST - TNT

[GTR11]

Kenny would've made Cam best looking rookie without a doubt. He loves grooming talent like him. There's nothing stopping him from being Din 2.0, he actually looks better. Din had questionable decision making with shot selection and making plays at first, still you could tell he would be starter at some point. Cam should be developed as CJ prototype, very similar games imo.

[DarkXaero]

I see that the irrational hate for Nash here continues to be overboard. Guess it's time to check out from RealGM Nets forum again.

What specific criticisms do you have a problem with.

I dont see any irrational hate, and several examples of botched coaching in very clear circumstances

Most of what I read here is over the top, inaccurate, knee jerk criticism. And you're the main culprit of it. I don't have any problems with valid criticism but fans keep unnecessarily bitching about the same thing over and over again, no matter what, it just becomes annoying af to see.

[Prokorov]

I see that the irrational hate for Nash here continues to be overboard. Guess it's time to check out from RealGM Nets forum again.

What specific criticisms do you have a problem with.

I dont see any irrational hate, and several examples of botched coaching in very clear circumstances

Most of what I read here is over the top, inaccurate, knee jerk criticism. And you're the main culprit of it. I don't have any problems with valid criticism but fans keep unnecessarily bitching about the same thing over and over again, no matter what, it just becomes annoying af to see.

I am very open to the idea criticisms of nash in this thread are emotional, knee jerk, or over the top. including any post ive made.

It is hard to really discuss any of that thought if you dont point out which posts exactly you have issue with. most here point to some very basic, very poor decisions. my post had a bulleted list and should be easy to pick any/multiple things out.

Were all emotional time to time in game threads. and we all have bias'. in this one particular, more then maybe any game this year, nash was particualrly bad and almost cost us a game

[ecuhus1981]

Well, guess what?! I think you're BOTH right!

It's annoying to hear about it constantly, and yet Nash's coaching limitations are objective truth. I've said before, I'm numb to Nash's in-game coaching at this point. It has a deleterious effect on my favorite team, and there's nothing he can do to make Sean or Kevin turn their back on him, so we're stuck. I've reconciled that.

I will say this: outside of actual game management, he's been great. And, I believe his in-game coaching improved last season, from willfully ignorant last November to actually quite good in the postseason. He treats the regular season as a lab test, and IMO sticks with bad decisions solely for the purpose of giving them a fair enough sample size to dismiss.

He's been better this November than last, which tells me he's accumulating enough data to avoid so many obvious errors in judgment. Hopefully, by next postseason, he'll be even better.

[Paradise]

Kevin and James are rolling over in their OKC grave watching the Thunder tonight.

Oh my lord. Holy ****.

[ecuhus1981]

Kevin and James are rolling over in their OKC grave watching the Thunder tonight.

Oh my lord. Holy ****.

Thanks to a pair of losses to Houston, Oklahoma City are the new tank commanders of the league. They are so blatantly going after ping pong balls.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't get it though, the criticisms of Nash are valid. What do you want us to do, ignore it?

When Nash makes good adjustments, I point that stuff out all the time, so its not like i'm being unfair. But overall he's pretty below average as an X and Os guy and his situational awareness causes the team to suffer. Everytime we've gone up against a well coached team with legit talent we've been beaten badly. We barely scraped by the Knicks who have a good coach as well.

It's fair to point these things out. We have title aspirations and my patience for Nash learning on the job is razor thin.

[MrDollarBills]

Kenny would've made Cam best looking rookie without a doubt. He loves grooming talent like him. There's nothing stopping him from being Din 2.0, he actually looks better. Din had questionable decision making with shot selection and making plays at first, still you could tell he would be starter at some point. Cam should be developed as CJ prototype, very similar games imo.

I dunno, i think Cam and Spencer have different play styles.

[gigantes]

You take take Kyrie in a heartbeat. What happens in the post season is the game gets decided by the stars, mostly due to teams learning every play you have, the inevitable fatigue that sets in, plus the game slowing down. The team with stars that can create their own shots has the edge, and we would have 3 of the best (Iam making an assumption Harden returns to his full capabilities - he will barring injury). I don't care how great a coach the other team has, a healthy big 3 would be our best option for dealing with a team like the Warriors. Outscore them, our defense is better this year anyways.

Kyrie has also consistently outplayed curry in the finals and been prone to hit enormous shots

Well, they faced each other in, what... two finals total? That's not a very conclusive sample size AFAIK.

I'm no Shemp fan, but he's not only been playing at an MVP-level this season, he's also been crushing it on D, amazingly. At least, that's what the numbers, articles, footage and advanced stats say. Even the advanced stats specifically designed to filter out how a team's overall style helps a player upon XYZ.

Point is-- if Curry's a measurably-better shooter than Kyrie, and a vastly better defender at this point (because Kai's defense chronically sucks), you basically have to make the argument that Kai's a much better passer and team leader in order to consider things something of a wash. I just don't see that.

There's also the fact that Klay-T's coming back very soon, which gives the Dubs -yet another- gear.

Yeah, the Nets will hopefully smooth out a lot of issues as the season goes on, but as of this moment, I see the Dubs as the decisive favorites in the West, and the odds-on against anyone the East can muster up.

That said, when the Bucks have their big three healthy, they are downright -smashing- people with that trio. Nets vs Bucks vs MIA is going to be interesting...

[gigantes]

From what I've seen so far, I definately think we need to make a move for a Center. If Kyrie won't play maybe flip him for a Myles Turner type big that could be available. We won't get equal value, but at least we'll get SOMETHING to help us make a run this season.
A McGee type signing that can give us some length and activity to maximize Harden's offensive skills.

If it somehow worked, I'd trade Kyrie to bring back Fro.

"Here Cleveland, you can have him back!"

[GTR11]

Kenny would've made Cam best looking rookie without a doubt. He loves grooming talent like him. There's nothing stopping him from being Din 2.0, he actually looks better. Din had questionable decision making with shot selection and making plays at first, still you could tell he would be starter at some point. Cam should be developed as CJ prototype, very similar games imo.

I dunno, i think Cam and Spencer have different play styles.

They do now, when Din came over he had no style to speak of. Cam trying to emulate his game to KD, I'm not sure that's the best option. I don't think many can.

[GTR11]

From what I've seen so far, I definately think we need to make a move for a Center. If Kyrie won't play maybe flip him for a Myles Turner type big that could be available. We won't get equal value, but at least we'll get SOMETHING to help us make a run this season.
A McGee type signing that can give us some length and activity to maximize Harden's offensive skills.

If it somehow worked, I'd trade Kyrie to bring back Fro.

"Here Cleveland, you can have him back!"

I'm pretty sure I've seen report saying Cleveland, Boston, both LA teams, GSW and Craptors not interested in Kyrie.

Me and guys have poll going, we really interested to find out who made calls to Marks. I got duh nix, I can't think of any other team that will take a chance. 3 of my friends have Heat, though they really wonder about a lot of things.

[Prokorov]

Well, they faced each other in, what... two finals total? That's not a very conclusive sample size AFAIK.

13 games over 3 finals. thats as large a sample of finals head-to-head as you will find. And he drastically outplayed him. Like nuclear 35 points on 68 TS% type bag beatins that comeback series. If kyrie is healthy the first series, i dont think GSW wins that one.

I'm no Shemp fan, but he's not only been playing at an MVP-level this season, he's also been crushing it on D, amazingly. At least, that's what the numbers, articles, footage and advanced stats say. Even the advanced stats specifically designed to filter out how a team's overall style helps a player upon XYZ.

Curry playing MVP level doesnt matter in this context... he WAS the mvp the year kyrie outplayed him badly in the finals. and defensively curry is benefitting from the rules. kyrie would have a similar uptick. i also dont think kyrie has chronically stunk on D, i think career wise he has been average with a few well above average seasons.

Point is-- if Curry's a measurably-better shooter than Kyrie, and a vastly better defender at this point (because Kai's defense chronically sucks), you basically have to make the argument that Kai's a much better passer and team leader in order to consider things something of a wash. I just don't see that.

I dont think he is that much better of a shooter. i mean kyrie just dropped 50/40/90 himself on huge volume. Curry the better three point shooter, but again kyrie is at 40%+ himself on 8+ attempts. and kyrie is better mid range and at the rim. there are 2 guys curry isnt MUCH better then. and thats kyrie and kd.

Yeah, the Nets will hopefully smooth out a lot of issues as the season goes on, but as of this moment, I see the Dubs as the decisive favorites in the West, and the odds-on against anyone the East can muster up.

With Kyrie, GSW cant beat us. they wouldnt make it 6 games

That said, when the Bucks have their big three healthy, they are downright -smashing- people with that trio. Nets vs Bucks vs MIA is going to be interesting...

the bucks are trash and cant win in the playoffs. last year was an outlier as they faced 4 straight injured teams. we saw what nets/bucks looks like with us having 2 guys. it wasnt competitive. with 3 its a sweep. Im not sure they make it out of the first round given how deep the east is. they are regular season pretenders

miami scares me.

[Prokorov]

From what I've seen so far, I definately think we need to make a move for a Center. If Kyrie won't play maybe flip him for a Myles Turner type big that could be available. We won't get equal value, but at least we'll get SOMETHING to help us make a run this season.
A McGee type signing that can give us some length and activity to maximize Harden's offensive skills.

If it somehow worked, I'd trade Kyrie to bring back Fro.

"Here Cleveland, you can have him back!"

I'm pretty sure I've seen report saying Cleveland, Boston, both LA teams, GSW and Craptors not interested in Kyrie.

Me and guys have poll going, we really interested to find out who made calls to Marks. I got duh nix, I can't think of any other team that will take a chance. 3 of my friends have Heat, though they really wonder about a lot of things.

id guess teams making calls were miami and Dallas

[Prokorov]

Kenny would've made Cam best looking rookie without a doubt. He loves grooming talent like him. There's nothing stopping him from being Din 2.0, he actually looks better. Din had questionable decision making with shot selection and making plays at first, still you could tell he would be starter at some point. Cam should be developed as CJ prototype, very similar games imo.

I dunno, i think Cam and Spencer have different play styles.

Cam is a jumpshooter. dinwiddie gets to the cup. i dont love the comparison. i think nick young or marshon brooks or kyle anderson are closer in style.

[HardenGoat]

When you add Kyrie it allows us to have 2 stars on the floor at all times in the post season. That changes the dynamic completely from a gravitational sense. Facing the Warriors that is what you need, Curry will have to sit, Klay and the other shooters benefit from his gravity. Klay is most effective when he has a bonafide star on the floor, or when he was spoiled having both Durant and Curry out there. We would have the edge simply from a talent level due to this. Nash couldn't screw it up. Not having Irving hurts us the most, but if Harden returns to MVP form we should still beat them, meaning Harden is fully clicking and thus our players are scoring based on his own gravity and passing ability. He would be more dangerous with a lob threat though. Durant gives us the biggest weapon in the league, that's bigger than Curry. Our defense is looking legit, no worries there.

[TheNetsFan]

If it somehow worked, I'd trade Kyrie to bring back Fro.

"Here Cleveland, you can have him back!"

I'm pretty sure I've seen report saying Cleveland, Boston, both LA teams, GSW and Craptors not interested in Kyrie.

Me and guys have poll going, we really interested to find out who made calls to Marks. I got duh nix, I can't think of any other team that will take a chance. 3 of my friends have Heat, though they really wonder about a lot of things.

id guess teams making calls were miami and Dallas

NOLA

[gigantes]

Well, they faced each other in, what... two finals total? That's not a very conclusive sample size AFAIK.

13 games over 3 finals. thats as large a sample of finals head-to-head as you will find.

Yeap, see my point now?

For example, do you also remember when Kyrie took the lead and stated repeatedly (like an MVP): "I will take this Celts team to the next round?" ...And then **** the bed hard for, what... three games in a row? And that was with a super-stacked Boston team, even with Haywood missing IIRC.

My point is-- the real "finals" that matter come down to a team outperforming their opponent under stressful, plyoff conditions, meaning loser goes home. Kyrie's been slightly-average across his career, AFAIK.

Curry playing MVP level doesnt matter in this context... he WAS the mvp the year kyrie outplayed him badly in the finals. and defensively curry is benefitting from the rules. kyrie would have a similar uptick. i also dont think kyrie has chronically stunk on D, i think career wise he has been average with a few well above average seasons.

Tell it to the advanced stats, metrics, and talking heads, Proky.