GT: Nets @ Timberwolves 1/23/22 8:00pm (YES Network)

[Prokorov]

In essence, Sixers will have no choice but to accept getting f'd in the tail if they want Harden that bad. Nets easily win that trade.

Not really.

The Nets would very likely work with Harden and his agent to get James to Philly and request reasonable value. The Nets got where they are by being Agent/Star friendly. They wont change that when they have finally become a destination for stars.

Simmons + 1 of (Thbule, Maxey) + 1 of (Korkmaz/Milton) and some light draft compensation sure to miss the top 20 sounds about right. It allows Philly to retrain Harris, avoid the gymnastics to clear cap, and give up about what they would need to if they tried to dump all that salary anyhow.

[Prokorov]

Agreed, never understood why people, Non-Net fans, think Nets have no leverage here. They absolutely do and if Nets don't win and need to trade Harden, 270 million dollars will be a lot of money Harden won't refuse and anywhere he goes, a lot of assets need to be surrendered.

It is less about leverage and more about risk and variables.

If Philly makes a sign-and-trade for us they get harden, for 5 years dealing/relying on 1 team.

If Philly tries to clear the cap, they need to make 3-4 trades with 5-8 teams, relying on up to 8 teams to get it all to work and then have to hope that in all the time Harden doesn't have a change of heart. They also have to get commitments from under the cap teams like the spurs/magic in order to make it work, and convince those teams their value is bigger then trying to sign Ayton or Bridges or Beal.

If Harden wants to go to Philly, it makes the most sense for the Nets/Sixers/Harden to work together. That Means the Nets accomodate with the Sign and trade and Philly gives up real value.

if i came to it, i doubt nets would grind philyl and i doubt morey would be cheap with what he is sending out.

I'd set the baseline of that deal something like:

Simmons
Thybule or Milton
Curry or Kormaz
Heavy protected 1st OR pick Swap

That's certainly reasonable. I doubt Philly will say no to a Simmons/Milton/Kormaz/Pretected 1st package. But essentially that's still Simmons + fillers.

We started this back and forth because you said Simmons + fillers for Harden was idiotic. Now you're proposing it yourself. It isn't that idiotic now, is it?
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2159742&start=100#p96342945

Milton and Korkmaz doesnt get it done.

it wold need to be Curry and Milton or Korkmaz and Thybule.

the Nets would need 1 from the pool of (Thybule/Maxey/Curry) and 1 from the pool of (Korkmaz, Milton, Niang).

Odds are it turns into a 4 or 5 team trade once the teams agree on what value they will send out, as they shop for pieces that fit. For example:

-Nets dont like Simmons fit, they engage Atlanta and Take John Collins with Simmons going to the Hawks
-Philly wants to leverage the deal to also dump harris, They adds 1sts and send Harris to a 4th team
-Nets want to take advantage of all the outgoing salary, take back role guys from that 4th team

OR

-Nets want to take advantage of all the outgoing salary, take a 1 year salary dump from a 5th team with a pick attached.

Odds are in the end it looks something like:

Nets: John Collins, Thybule, Pick from Atlanta, Terrance Ross
Philly: Harden
Hawks: Simmons, 2nds
Orlando: Harris, 76ers pick, Milton, Jalen Johnson

or whatever

[TheNetsFan]

It is less about leverage and more about risk and variables.

If Philly makes a sign-and-trade for us they get harden, for 5 years dealing/relying on 1 team.

If Philly tries to clear the cap, they need to make 3-4 trades with 5-8 teams, relying on up to 8 teams to get it all to work and then have to hope that in all the time Harden doesn't have a change of heart. They also have to get commitments from under the cap teams like the spurs/magic in order to make it work, and convince those teams their value is bigger then trying to sign Ayton or Bridges or Beal.

If Harden wants to go to Philly, it makes the most sense for the Nets/Sixers/Harden to work together. That Means the Nets accomodate with the Sign and trade and Philly gives up real value.

if i came to it, i doubt nets would grind philyl and i doubt morey would be cheap with what he is sending out.

I'd set the baseline of that deal something like:

Simmons
Thybule or Milton
Curry or Kormaz
Heavy protected 1st OR pick Swap

That's certainly reasonable. I doubt Philly will say no to a Simmons/Milton/Kormaz/Pretected 1st package. But essentially that's still Simmons + fillers.

We started this back and forth because you said Simmons + fillers for Harden was idiotic. Now you're proposing it yourself. It isn't that idiotic now, is it?
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2159742&start=100#p96342945

Milton and Korkmaz doesnt get it done.

it wold need to be Curry and Milton or Korkmaz and Thybule.

the Nets would need 1 from the pool of (Thybule/Maxey/Curry) and 1 from the pool of (Korkmaz, Milton, Niang).

Odds are it turns into a 4 or 5 team trade once the teams agree on what value they will send out, as they shop for pieces that fit. For example:

-Nets dont like Simmons fit, they engage Atlanta and Take John Collins with Simmons going to the Hawks
-Philly wants to leverage the deal to also dump harris, They adds 1sts and send Harris to a 4th team
-Nets want to take advantage of all the outgoing salary, take back role guys from that 4th team

OR

-Nets want to take advantage of all the outgoing salary, take a 1 year salary dump from a 5th team with a pick attached.

Odds are in the end it looks something like:

Nets: John Collins, Thybule, Pick from Atlanta, Terrance Ross
Philly: Harden
Hawks: Simmons, 2nds
Orlando: Harris, 76ers pick, Milton, Jalen Johnson

or whatever

Who runs point when Kyrie is hurt or resting? Our biggest issue is a lack of ball handlers when Harden or Kyrie are not in the game, and this takes Harden completely out of the equation. That's why I always insist that Maxey needs to be part of any deal that sends Harden to Philly. If Morey is willing to give up on Harden because he insists on keeping Maxey, then you tell Harden & his agent that we made an honest effort, but Morey is too unreasonable so sign here.