Realistic options to move deron williams?

[thefloydian]

Nowitzki may be getting old but is it possible to trade for him? Isn't he in a similar situation Pierce was in his final year. Nowitzki is a better shooter than KG and we can shift KG to the back up 5 next season behind Lopez.

[JKiddtoVC]

If the Raptors can trade Bargnani AND get a first round pick out of it, the Nets could find a way to trade Deron. Enough said.

It won't be a good package, but getting him out of here is the smartest thing for both sides.

[Wonderllama]

We gotta face facts. Deron is THE worst contract in the league. There's still three more years of this... right? Nets would need to package a first round pick or two just get people's interest... which of course they don't have

[Lamak]

If the Raptors can trade Bargnani AND get a first round pick out of it, the Nets could find a way to trade Deron. Enough said.

It won't be a good package, but getting him out of here is the smartest thing for both sides.

But we don't have any picks. And even our assets like Bogdanovic, is he even coming over this summer or resigning overseas?

[HotrodBeaubois]

Dallas will give you Calderon / Wright / Ellington / Pick for Deron after we use our cap space

[mtcan]

We gotta face facts. Deron is THE worst contract in the league. There's still three more years of this... right? Nets would need to package a first round pick or two just get people's interest... which of course they don't have

Bargnani was traded with 2 years left on a contract worth 23 million total. Whoever takes Deron Williams will be taking on 3 years and 60 million. Apples and oranges.

However...perhaps Detroit is willing to deal Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith for Deron, Mason Plumlee and the rights to that Euro they got stashed away.

[Prokorov]

We gotta face facts. Deron is THE worst contract in the league. There's still three more years of this... right? Nets would need to package a first round pick or two just get people's interest... which of course they don't have

He also has a 15% trade kicker, so he is owed closer to 70M for the team that trades for him

[Prokorov]

Dallas will give you Calderon / Wright / Ellington / Pick for Deron after we use our cap space

where do i sign?

[Prokorov]

We gotta face facts. Deron is THE worst contract in the league. There's still three more years of this... right? Nets would need to package a first round pick or two just get people's interest... which of course they don't have

Bargnani was traded with 2 years left on a contract worth 23 million total. Whoever takes Deron Williams will be taking on 3 years and 60 million. Apples and oranges.

However...perhaps Detroit is willing to deal Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith for Deron, Mason Plumlee and the rights to that Euro they got stashed away.

it makes no sense for the nets to include plumlee or bogdanovic. the nets dont needto trade deron williams.

we can dump him for 10 cents on the dollar, but we arent paying to move him

[mtcan]

We gotta face facts. Deron is THE worst contract in the league. There's still three more years of this... right? Nets would need to package a first round pick or two just get people's interest... which of course they don't have

Bargnani was traded with 2 years left on a contract worth 23 million total. Whoever takes Deron Williams will be taking on 3 years and 60 million. Apples and oranges.

However...perhaps Detroit is willing to deal Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith for Deron, Mason Plumlee and the rights to that Euro they got stashed away.

it makes no sense for the nets to include plumlee or bogdanovic. the nets dont needto trade deron williams.

we can dump him for 10 cents on the dollar, but we arent paying to move him

It depends on how desperate Billy King is. The problem is that if you need to dump him...it's not going to be easy to find a taker for 60 million in salary for someone who is underachieving for the salary he makes and has had a history of injuries. But it's still a financial burden rather than a lack of talent that would complicate most deals. You absolutely will have to deal a young player or two in order for any team to take on DWill. Once again...I don't know why a story like this is circulating...but if BK is keen on moving DWill...it's probably because of his cap killing contract.

[Prokorov]

It depends on how desperate Billy King is. The problem is that if you need to dump him...it's not going to be easy to find a taker for 60 million in salary for someone who is underachieving for the salary he makes and has had a history of injuries.

But we dont need to dump him, which was my point. We would obvlousily like to move him, but we dont need to mvoe him. If we traded williams and took back $0 in salary we would still be over the cap the next 2 seasons. so it doesnt help us from a cap standpoint to trade him. and in 2016, even with williams, we have over 30+ million in cap room.

so again, the need to dump him isnt there. i could understand if trading him would take us from over the cap to under the cap, but it doesnt do that.

The nets would love to dump him to anyone who wants to take the chance he can play like a top 12 point gaurd again, they would give him away. there is zero chance they pay someone to take him, cause as mentioned, there is 0 benefit in that.

[mtcan]

It depends on how desperate Billy King is. The problem is that if you need to dump him...it's not going to be easy to find a taker for 60 million in salary for someone who is underachieving for the salary he makes and has had a history of injuries.

But we dont need to dump him, which was my point. We would obvlousily like to move him, but we dont need to mvoe him. If we traded williams and took back $0 in salary we would still be over the cap the next 2 seasons. so it doesnt help us from a cap standpoint to trade him. and in 2016, even with williams, we have over 30+ million in cap room.

so again, the need to dump him isnt there. i could understand if trading him would take us from over the cap to under the cap, but it doesnt do that.

The nets would love to dump him to anyone who wants to take the chance he can play like a top 12 point gaurd again, they would give him away. there is zero chance they pay someone to take him, cause as mentioned, there is 0 benefit in that.

I'm not making the story up...which seems to suggest that Deron wants out as badly as the organization wants him out...unless I'm interpreting it wrong. It sure sounds like BK wants to deal DWill. Not saying that he absolutely needs to...no one needs to make a deal...but in order to move DWill out of town...it's going to take a lot more than DWill himself to get someone to bite.

[HotrodBeaubois]

People saying he has a 15% Trade kicker . If Deron wants out then he would waive his trade kicker especially if it meant going to a team like Dallas instead of a lottery team

[Prokorov]

I'm not making the story up...which seems to suggest that Deron wants out as badly as the organization wants him out...unless I'm interpreting it wrong. It sure sounds like BK wants to deal DWill. Not saying that he absolutely needs to...no one needs to make a deal...but in order to move DWill out of town...it's going to take a lot more than DWill himself to get someone to bite.

Wanting him out and needing him out are 2 entirely different things. im someone offered the nets 3 bad contracts for williams, they would take it. but there is simply zero chance the nets pay someone to take dwill off their hands. it simply doesnt benefit them in any way, shape, or form while stripping them of assets.

[slicedbread2]

If the Raptors can trade Bargnani AND get a first round pick out of it, the Nets could find a way to trade Deron. Enough said.

It won't be a good package, but getting him out of here is the smartest thing for both sides.

As a Raptors fan, I can attest to this statement. I don't know what the Knicks were smoking, but Dolan gonna Dolan. All he had to do was wait for the Raptors to amnesty Barney as there was no way Masai was going to bring him back after the **** he said about the team in Italy. Then again this is the same team that gave up 2 seconds for Camby so nothing surprises me.

As far as D-Will, the best thing they can do is do a cut your losses type of deal and any team taking him on would probably demand that D-Will waive the trade kicker as the team receiving him would have to pay him more. If he's willing to do this and by the recent reports of both parties wanting a split is true, I think he will agree. There's one team that comes to mind and that's the Kings. As weird as it may sound, I think Williams having guys like Gay and especially Cousins who's a top 5 big could make things a lot easier on Williams since he's proven to be someone who's more of a complimentary piece than a centrepiece. The Sloan issues should have been a red flag for the Nets, but King went ahead anyway when all he had to do was let D-Will opt out and sign him outright.

My idea would be like this and I proposed it a few times(you could do it in the off-season too depending on D-Will's results from ankle surgery):

Brooklyn: Willie Green(non-guaranteed), Jared Dudley(ETO in 2015-16 for 4.25 million), Jason Richardson, Landry Fields, Carl Landry
LA Clippers: Jason Thompson
Toronto: Travis Outlaw
Philadelphia: Jason Terry(buyout)
Sacramento: Deron Williams

A huge risk on the Kings part, but I think an environment with less pressure and more of an opportunity to be a complimentary piece with Gay and Cousins taking over while IT being the super sixth man helps a lot plus the development of their young guys in the pick and McClemore.

For the Nets, you save 15 million in cap space for 2016-17 plus they'd be under the cap in 2015-16 and would be way under the luxury tax and could fill their roster with stopgaps. Landry's deal sucks, but the last year is 15-16 million less than D-Will. Plus getting expiring deals and one smaller contract never hurts if you choose to go in a cost cutting spree.

I think this would be an optimal trade, but I think Billy King has to go since this team has reached it's ceiling and I feel that they should just cut their losses with D-Will and let Livingston run the show.

Thoughts?

[Starbury2CptJax]

Just tossing several ideas out there:

Williams to Atlanta, Teague and Horford to the Nets. Hawks would also keep all the Nets picks unprotected. Re-unite Deron with his buddies in ATL and comfort them with unprotected picks. Nets gets speed, size in the frontcourt and more incentive not to overpay Blatche and Pierce to help avoid the repeater tax

Williams and Plumlee to Dallas, Calderon, Ellis, Ellington to the Nets. Send him home. Sending Plumlee as a sacrifice for Dallas taking a risk on Deron. Calderon is still as pure a point guard on offense and Ellis fits into the small-ball theme and would take pressure off Livingston when Liv is forced to create offense, you just live with Ellis going one on one, not a solid solution but financial flexibility and young legs are key to this team going anywhere before 2016.

Williams to Detroit, Jennings and Smith to Nets. This is probably the most radical of possible trades. Jennings and Smith obviously have alpha-dog insecurity complexes. However, if SVG doesn't value Monroe and let's him walk then he may not be quick to ship out Smith although having Williams allows Detroit to focus on clearing out trash while not worrying about hitting the salary floor.

Williams to Houston with likely cap filler involved. Asik and Lin to Nets. Rockets probably wouldn't do this unless they get a great throw in sweetener since they lose financial flexibility with this deal. I think if Nets did this trade they are either banking on moving Lopez since they would have a great stopgap in Asik and both Asik and Lin are expiring contracts now.

Williams to Bucks. Delfino, Ilyasova, Mayo to the Nets. Basically a straight salary dump as all three contracts are basically expiring in 2015. Hope for Ilyasova to give you something or that Mayo gets a brain transplant.

Williams to Minnesota. Rubio, Shved, Barea, Budinger to Nets. A more glorified salary dump. Barea, Shved, and Budinger have two seasons to prove they are worthy to stick past 2015. Rubio obviously fills the PG duties and he can facilitate just as well and bring it on defense. It would be up to Kidd to coach his jumper up but this would allow Lopez and Johnson to be #1 and #2 on the shot chart with our own Rondo. Minnesota might bite hoping that a semi-healthy Williams will help catapult the Wolves into the playoffs and then entice Love to stay.

Williams and Plumlee to New Orleans. Holiday and Anderson to New Orleans. Highly doubt NO would bite on this but what seems more likely is Williams for Evans+Rivers+Holiday or Gordon+Holiday, one of those nearly as horrible contracts has to come back for NOP to bite in my opinion.

Williams to OKC, Westbrook and Perkins to Nets. Only reason OKC does this is that Williams has much better court vision and can be a reliable spot up threat for Durant and it allows OKC to save money which is their mantra, being cost-efficient. Perkins already being benched for Adams and I doubt OKC would want to use the amnesty and pay Perk to go away and then not get that money back in on court production from another player they pay to replace his roster spot.

Williams to Toronto. Amir, Fields, Hayes, Hansbourough to Nets. I wanted to say Salmons because I think that is the only way Uriji deals. But if they got Amir back then they would clear so much money off the books with this deal and basically negate needing to bring back Blatche, Anderson, and possibly KG and Amir definitely would be here for the long term.

[Prokorov]

Thoughts?

its too complicated. why are the sixers and raptors involved?

just deal williams right to the kings and take any/all contracts they want to send our way

[Prokorov]

Just tossing several ideas out there:

Williams to Atlanta, Teague and Horford to the Nets. Hawks would also keep all the Nets picks unprotected. Re-unite Deron with his buddies in ATL and comfort them with unprotected picks. Nets gets speed, size in the frontcourt and more incentive not to overpay Blatche and Pierce to help avoid the repeater tax

Is this serious?

The hawks trade 2 SIGNIFICANTLY better players, who are young for williams? no chance.

Williams and Plumlee to Dallas, Calderon, Ellis, Ellington to the Nets. Send him home. Sending Plumlee as a sacrifice for Dallas taking a risk on Deron. Calderon is still as pure a point guard on offense and Ellis fits into the small-ball theme and would take pressure off Livingston when Liv is forced to create offense, you just live with Ellis going one on one, not a solid solution but financial flexibility and young legs are key to this team going anywhere before 2016.

No. i dont entertain any trade that involved trading plumlee. I'd deal dwill for calderon straight up or plus filler though.

Williams to Detroit, Jennings and Smith to Nets. This is probably the most radical of possible trades. Jennings and Smith obviously have alpha-dog insecurity complexes. However, if SVG doesn't value Monroe and let's him walk then he may not be quick to ship out Smith although having Williams allows Detroit to focus on clearing out trash while not worrying about hitting the salary floor.

mentioned a ton and only trade that i think actually works

Williams to Houston with likely cap filler involved. Asik and Lin to Nets. Rockets probably wouldn't do this unless they get a great throw in sweetener since they lose financial flexibility with this deal. I think if Nets did this trade they are either banking on moving Lopez since they would have a great stopgap in Asik and both Asik and Lin are expiring contracts now.

No chance. rockets dont want dwill. they already pulled that deal once. nets wouldnt give a sweetner cause they would likely let one or both players walk at the end of the year.

Williams to Bucks. Delfino, Ilyasova, Mayo to the Nets. Basically a straight salary dump as all three contracts are basically expiring in 2015. Hope for Ilyasova to give you something or that Mayo gets a brain transplant.

no chance the bucks would do this. they get worse and get a worse contract.

Williams to Minnesota. Rubio, Shved, Barea, Budinger to Nets. A more glorified salary dump. Barea, Shved, and Budinger have two seasons to prove they are worthy to stick past 2015. Rubio obviously fills the PG duties and he can facilitate just as well and bring it on defense. It would be up to Kidd to coach his jumper up but this would allow Lopez and Johnson to be #1 and #2 on the shot chart with our own Rondo. Minnesota might bite hoping that a semi-healthy Williams will help catapult the Wolves into the playoffs and then entice Love to stay.

again, minnesota gets worse and gets a terrible contract. they arent in win now mode and it just makes it more likely that love bolts.

Williams and Plumlee to New Orleans. Holiday and Anderson to New Orleans. Highly doubt NO would bite on this but what seems more likely is Williams for Evans+Rivers+Holiday or Gordon+Holiday, one of those nearly as horrible contracts has to come back for NOP to bite in my opinion.

No chance. any deal with plumlee is a no go.

Williams to OKC, Westbrook and Perkins to Nets. Only reason OKC does this is that Williams has much better court vision and can be a reliable spot up threat for Durant and it allows OKC to save money which is their mantra, being cost-efficient. Perkins already being benched for Adams and I doubt OKC would want to use the amnesty and pay Perk to go away and then not get that money back in on court production from another player they pay to replace his roster spot.

this is the most unrealistic of all. OKC isnt trading a top 12 player for deron williams. williams is nowhere close to as good as westbrook, and that almost gaurantees that durant doesnt come back

Williams to Toronto. Amir, Fields, Hayes, Hansbourough to Nets. I wanted to say Salmons because I think that is the only way Uriji deals. But if they got Amir back then they would clear so much money off the books with this deal and basically negate needing to bring back Blatche, Anderson, and possibly KG and Amir definitely would be here for the long term.

Why would they trade for dwill when they can sign lowry to half of what he makes when lowry made him his bitch and is the better younger player and heart of their team?

i know its tough to find stuff that works, but most of those arent even close

[Paradise]

Here is some fun Deron stats:

55 games in 2011 - 119 Shooting Fouls Drawn
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78 games last season - 118 Shooting Fouls Drawn.
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64 games this season - 69 Shooting Fouls Drawn.

That's his second lowest since 2005.

6 seasons in Utah Overall: 796 Shooting Fouls Drawn

4 seasons in NJ/NY Overall: 333 Shooting Fouls Drawn.

PGA (Points Generated By Assists)

2011-12: 1,114
2012-13: 1,356
2013-14: 930

That's his lowest PGA since his 2005 rookie season.

We aren't getting anything good in return for him besides another bad contract and a low risk high reward prospect.


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[DarkXaero]

Here is some fun Deron stats:

55 games in 2011 - 119 Shooting Fouls Drawn
_
78 games last season - 118 Shooting Fouls Drawn.
_
64 games this season - 69 Shooting Fouls Drawn.

That's his second lowest since 2005.

6 seasons in Utah Overall: 796 Shooting Fouls Drawn

4 seasons in NJ/NY Overall: 333 Shooting Fouls Drawn.

PGA (Points Generated By Assists)

2011-12: 1,114
2012-13: 1,356
2013-14: 930

That's his lowest PGA since his 2005 rookie season.

We aren't getting anything good in return for him besides another bad contract and a low risk high reward prospect.


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Not trying to be a homer or anything, but he shared ball handling duties with 3 other ball handlers, so it's not exactly surprising to see that dip in numbers. This is why I think it might be a good idea to let Livingston go, considering what it would cost us. As a starter, I felt that he handled the ball way too much, and didn't do that great of a job. We need more of a player who is willing to play off ball at that SG spot.

Thabo Sefolosha is a free agent this summer I think, who would be a good option there. A good defender who can shoot the 3, and can play off the ball perfectly. Also a decent rebounder. I would take him over Livingston.