The Official Andrea Bargnani Thread

[MrDollarBills]

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

You are literally bitching just to bitch, it is a low risk MINIMUM signing to see if this guy can stretch the floor for us in spot minutes. You bitch about Thad, bitch about D-Will getting kicked out of here, bitch bitch bitch. The Nets need shooting in any way possible without compromising the cap space. Psycho T is not a shooter. Vet min signings do not **** up cap space. The guy will either hit shots when he gets minutes, or he will sit. Big deal. You act like they brought him in here to play 36 mins a night

Billy King, to his credit, has done his best to dig this team out of the mess he and the Russians have made and frankly, I think he's doing a decent job with the limited resources that he has.

Calm down, seriously.

He's not really spacing the court. He's a 30% 3 point shooter over the last 4 years and the number of 3's he's taken each of the last 4 years has decreased. He took under 2 3 point fied goal attempts/game.

It's a 2 year contract. It commits some more salary to the books in 2016-17 and another roster spot. It's not a one year minimum contract.

I said we took a step back on the court from letting Deron going, but said I'm okay with it as we're saving money going forward.

It seems to me that you're narrative has changed with every move this offseason.

When we resigned Thad it was about fielding the best team possible as better teams attract better free agents.

When we cut ties with Deron it was it's okay if we take a step back on the court as we need high energy, good locker room players to build upon. That that is more important than merely wins/losses which contradicts what you said after resigning Thad.

We sign Bargs who has a reputation as poor locker room guy, is a low effort player. Now the narrative is his shooting - which he really isn't all that good at trumps his poor attitude/work ethic things you were preaching after we cut ties with Thad.

You calm down dude, you've been bitching about everything. It is a low risk, low cost signing to see if he can provide some spacing. If he can, great, if he can't, whatever. And if his attitude doesn't vibe in, he will be waived, he is not some guy we're paying 14 mil per to who cost a 1st rounder, and you're acting like it and its just silly. Who gives a ****, seriously? We don't have any options to spend money on a better player. It's worth a look, if he isn't buying in Hollins will ream him and he'll be gone. Stop it

also

1)my support of the Thad resigning was about compiling as much depth and retaining talent as possible to stay afloat. I have never said we have to retain Thad to attract free agents, I have said numerous times I don't think we are attracting ANYONE. Strawman argument #1: fail.

2)Cutting ties with Deron is not a step back, it gets a cancer off of this team, it gets us under the tax, and it helps to free up 39-40+ or more in cap space next summer which will feature a cap increase that will make that number even bigger. If Bargs comes in and causes problems/gives bad effort he will not play and he will be waived. You are jumping off of a bridge over a vet minimum signing dude, calm the **** down

3) Unless you are goddamn blind, we need to add another shooter, the only guys that can space the floor are Joe, Bojan(and that is streaky at best) and Wayne. That's not enough. We don't know if Boatright can even make the team but if he does then that could be another one, but we can't rest our laurels on that. So, bring the guy in, see if he buys into the culture, and see if he can help the 2nd unit. If he can't...oh well, see you later.

1.4 mil or whatever the vet min number is is a drop in the bucket. Who gives a ****. Our cap # will be straight.

[NyCeEvO]

on the signing itself, its pretty harmless so long as its on a minimum. mind you Lopez and Bargnani doesn't exactly strike fear into opposing teams either, seems rather poor defensively

Except Thad Young is the starting PF, not Bargs. Lopez and Bargs would rarely play together.

If they're ever on the court at the same time, it would be because Bargs would be playing well (by some miracle) while Thad and the 3 other bigs are getting a breather.

[MrDollarBills]

You can either stay fixated on the good or the bad....or be realistic with the current market of stretch fours. We all would prefer someone much better but the last remaining stretch four is....Josh Smith. From February-April, Bargnani averaged 16.2 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists. Shot 36% from 3 and had a 53.3 TS%.

It's for the vet minimum and there is no guarantee he gets minutes if Corey Jefferson or Cliff Alexander outplays him. If he does earn his minutes, we get a decent stretch four capable of explosive scoring off the bench with similar efficiency to Mirza.

I honestly can't imagine he turned down more money from the Kings to be a 11th or 12th man getting 10 minutes a game. There must have been some kind of incentive to sign with the nets. I can only imagine it was significant minutes, or else it doesn't make any sense.

Possibly the fact that he stays in New York is another factor but still..

You have zero comprehension about how Lionel Hollins operates. None of that matters. If he can't space the floor, if he doesn't hustle on defense, he will be cussed out and nailed to the bench. No one cares about any of that ****

[MrDollarBills]

on the signing itself, its pretty harmless so long as its on a minimum. mind you Lopez and Bargnani doesn't exactly strike fear into opposing teams either, seems rather poor defensively

Except Thad Young is the starting PF, not Bargs. Lopez and Bargs would rarely play together.

If they're ever on the court at the same time, it would be because Bargs would be playing well (by some miracle) while Thad and the 3 other bigs are getting a breather.

The stupidity being spewed in this thread from fans outside of our forum is astounding. They actually think we brought him in here to start...at least have a clue about the team you're trying to talk about before hitting the submit button

[kerry kittles]

You are literally bitching just to bitch, it is a low risk MINIMUM signing to see if this guy can stretch the floor for us in spot minutes. You bitch about Thad, bitch about D-Will getting kicked out of here, bitch bitch bitch. The Nets need shooting in any way possible without compromising the cap space. Psycho T is not a shooter. Vet min signings do not **** up cap space. The guy will either hit shots when he gets minutes, or he will sit. Big deal. You act like they brought him in here to play 36 mins a night

Billy King, to his credit, has done his best to dig this team out of the mess he and the Russians have made and frankly, I think he's doing a decent job with the limited resources that he has.

Calm down, seriously.

He's not really spacing the court. He's a 30% 3 point shooter over the last 4 years and the number of 3's he's taken each of the last 4 years has decreased. He took under 2 3 point fied goal attempts/game.

It's a 2 year contract. It commits some more salary to the books in 2016-17 and another roster spot. It's not a one year minimum contract.

I said we took a step back on the court from letting Deron going, but said I'm okay with it as we're saving money going forward.

It seems to me that you're narrative has changed with every move this offseason.

When we resigned Thad it was about fielding the best team possible as better teams attract better free agents.

When we cut ties with Deron it was it's okay if we take a step back on the court as we need high energy, good locker room players to build upon. That that is more important than merely wins/losses which contradicts what you said after resigning Thad.

We sign Bargs who has a reputation as poor locker room guy, is a low effort player. Now the narrative is his shooting - which he really isn't all that good at trumps his poor attitude/work ethic things you were preaching after we cut ties with Thad.

You calm down dude, you've been bitching about everything. It is a low risk, low cost signing to see if he can provide some spacing. If he can, great, if he can't, whatever. And if his attitude doesn't vibe in, he will be waived, he is not some guy we're paying 14 mil per to who cost a 1st rounder, and you're acting like it and its just silly. Who gives a ****, seriously? We don't have any options to spend money on a better player. It's worth a look, if he isn't buying in Hollins will ream him and he'll be gone. Stop it

also

1)my support of the Thad resigning was about compiling as much depth and retaining talent as possible to stay afloat. I have never said we have to retain Thad to attract free agents, I have said numerous times I don't think we are attracting ANYONE. Strawman argument #1: fail.

2)Cutting ties with Deron is not a step back, it gets a cancer off of this team, it gets us under the tax, and it helps to free up 39-40+ or more in cap space next summer which will feature a cap increase that will make that number even bigger. If Bargs comes in and causes problems/gives bad effort he will not play and he will be waived. You are jumping off of a bridge over a vet minimum signing dude, calm the **** down

3) Unless you are goddamn blind, we need to add another shooter, the only guys that can space the floor are Joe, Bojan(and that is streaky at best) and Wayne. That's not enough. We don't know if Boatright can even make the team but if he does then that could be another one, but we can't rest our laurels on that. So, bring the guy in, see if he buys into the culture, and see if he can help the 2nd unit. If he can't...oh well, see you later.

1.4 mil or whatever the vet min number is is a drop in the bucket. Who gives a ****. Our cap # will be straight.

Re #3. I'll repeat myself "He's not really spacing the court. He's a 30% 3 point shooter over the last 4 years and the number of 3's he's taken each of the last 4 years has decreased. He took under 2 3 point fied goal attempts/game"

Re #2. I've said all along I support waiving/stretching for the cap space it creates next summer.

If we waive Bargs we will have that dead salary on the books for 2016-17 meaning we can give less to FA's. Don't agree with a 2nd year for Bargs. Do we have to love every thing we do because we're Nets fans?

1. He's a low effort player
2. Doesn't have a good work ethic
3. As stats support he makes his team worse
4. He's taken less 3 over the year and hasn't hit them at a good clip over the last 4 years.
5. He's the worst rebounding 7 footer in NBA history.
6. He's the worst help defender in the league.

It takes away a spot from a young, hungry guy and we have his salary on the books for next season. That's why I don't love it.

My position has remained pretty consistent this entire offseason. It's a bridge season - treat it as such. Take fliers on young guys with strong work ethics. Don't take on salary past 2016-17. That's why I don't like this move. Where's my complaints on Larkin, TRob signings? Those are the types of players I'd like to see us give the vet min to or slightly more not Bargnani.

[Paradise]

I don't which is worse. Heated in depth discussion over Bargnani or fans thinking adding Bargnani in a third string role will make us miss the playoffs.

[kerry kittles]

I don't which is worse. Heated in depth discussion over Bargnani or fans thinking adding Bargnani in a third string role will make us miss the playoffs.

Quote one post that says he will make us miss the playoffs.

[Net Sentence]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

How many ways do you have to dodge, weave around stats to make this post. Let's start with #3. You used Mirza's career 3pt% but not Bargs? Cherrypick much? Bargs is a career 35.6% 3pt shooter and has hit 3x as many 3s. If you want to talk about how they have played recently, Bargnani shot 36.6% from 3 LAST YEAR. Mirza shot 32.1%. Unlike Mirza, Bargnani can hit a shot from inside the 3 point line.

You actually use last years stats for rebounding though. Comparing rebounding numbers between these two guys is a tallest midget argument. If you are putting either one of these guys out there for rebounding or defense then you are probably going to lose. I can retort with Barnani blocking twice as many shots but like I said, no one wins arguing these moot points.

Here is the best way to compare these guys though: Mirza is going to make 5.5 mil this season. Bargnani is going to make the veteran minimum. Both of these guys are jokes as players outside of their shooting prowess. Everyone can accept that except a few delusional Mirza fans who think he is some kind of difference making player. Mirza's career is based off of 1 season of success, the other two were awful. He should be lucky to have Bargnani's level of success in the NBA.

I will enjoy ripping Bargnani much in the same fashion I enjoyed Johan Petro's time as a Net. No one is going to mistake Bargnani for Paul Milsap or Kevin Love.

[kerry kittles]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

How many ways do you have to dodge, weave around stats to make this post. Let's start with #3. You used Mirza's career 3pt% but not Bargs? Cherrypick much? Bargs is a career 35.6% 3pt shooter and has hit 3x as many 3s. If you want to talk about how they have played recently, Bargnani shot 36.6% from 3 LAST YEAR. Mirza shot 32.1%. Unlike Mirza, Bargnani can hit a shot from inside the 3 point line.

You actually use last years stats for rebounding though. Comparing rebounding numbers between these two guys is a tallest midget argument. If you are putting either one of these guys out there for rebounding or defense then you are probably going to lose. I can retort with Barnani blocking twice as many shots but like I said, no one wins arguing these moot points.

Here is the best way to compare these guys though: Mirza is going to make 5.5 mil this season. Bargnani is going to make the veteran minimum. Both of these guys are jokes as players outside of their shooting prowess. Everyone can accept that except a few delusional Mirza fans who think he is some kind of difference making player. Mirza's career is based off of 1 season of success, the other two were awful. He should be lucky to have Bargnani's level of success in the NBA.

I will enjoy ripping Bargnani much in the same fashion I enjoyed Johan Petro's time as a Net. No one is going to mistake Bargnani for Paul Milsap or Kevin Love.

I'm not cherry picking Bargs 3 point stats. His career 3 point shooting % is weighted by the fact that we was a good 3 point shooter early in his career. He shot over 40% in his 3rd season on good volume. We can't reasonably expect that again. Over the lasts 4 years he hasn't been a good 3 point shooters and his attempts have decreased. Looking at just last year's numbers is too small a sample size - he made just 15 3's. Look at the 3 year before that.

[Trader_Joe]

Interesting did bit from NI in his latest article....Bargs approached the Nets in the 11th hour according to a source. He was the one asking to come here! So this absurd notion he came here because of a promise of PT is ridiculous. Plus Hollins makes the decisions on the court...not King.

As for the signing...I like it. We need to take on reclamation projects like this like we did with Blatche and Green. He's the only stretch big we have.

As for the can't shoot because of four year sample...
A. Why not look at last year when he was 45%/36%
B. Mirza was worse shooting and got 5x the money
C. Defenses still aren't going to leave him open regardless

I swear some people will complain no matter what. How about we see how he does?
If he doesn't work out he cost us about $300k more than the roster hold would have. That's not exactly going to make or break anything.

[Net Sentence]

F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/620367766915158016[/tweet]

1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

Who would you have signed for the minimum then who still is on the market?

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

Withey or Hansbrough.

Net's were in the market for a stretch big. Preferably a 7 footer since they have a log jam at PF. I would have been happy with Pero Antic and he barely hit 30% on 3pters. Villanueva resigned in Dallas and Gooden is likely out of our price range. If he was willing to sign for the minimum he would just have stayed in Washington.

We did the right thing with Willie Reed over Withey, Aldrich and Nansbrough. Reed has much better lateral range then Aldridge, and much better strength then Withey. There was no need to add another redundant player who doesnt give the Nets a different option at center.

People act like we are paying Bargnani 10 mil a year.

[kerry kittles]

Interesting did bit from NI in his latest article....Bargs approached the Nets in the 11th hour according to a source. He was the one asking to come here! So this absurd notion he came here because of a promise of PT is ridiculous. Plus Hollins makes the decisions on the court...not King.

As for the signing...I like it. We need to take on reclamation projects like this like we did with Blatche and Green. He's the only stretch big we have.

As for the can't shoot because of four year sample...
A. Why not look at last year when he was 45%/36%
B. Mirza was worse shooting and got 5x the money
C. Defenses still aren't going to leave him open regardless

I swear some people will complain no matter what. How about we see how he does?
If he doesn't work out he cost us about $300k more than the roster hold would have. That's not exactly going to make or break anything.

TJ weren't you on here making the argument that we shouldn't expect Thad to shoot the 3 ball like he did with us because he's proven to be not that good of a 3 point shooter? That's its too small of a sample. Thad Young took more 3's this year with the Nets and played the same number of games as Bargs. That's why I think it's myopic just look at last year's numbers when he hit just 15 3's. Hasn't proven to be a good 3 point shooter over the past few years.

[Net Sentence]

Im glad most people are knocking this. Toronto paid the #1 overall pick for him to be their franchise player. The Knicks paid a first rounder for him to be a starter. We paid the minimum you can for a player to be a 10-14 min game player. Cost and context needs to be taken into account.

As bad as Bargnani is, he still better then the guy he is replacing (Mirza). The Suns paid Mirza 5.5 million to shoot sub 40% from the field with no defense or rebounds. At least Bargnani can shoot a somewhat respectable FG% and is a fraction of the cost.

At worst he is replacable since he is getting the veteran minimum.

In order for the Nets to get their best players on the floor they needed 3pt shooting from a frontcourt player. Unlike the Knicks were, the Nets 2nd unit is stocked with high end defenders and athletes: RHJ, Markel, T Rob. We needed a player like Bargnani to balance that unit.

Mirza was firing up bricks last season, and honestly he never was a reliable floor spacer. If you can get this guy to play a few mins a nice to space the floor for the 2nd unit, at a fraction of the cost, what's the big problem?

Seriously, some of these posts in the thread are nauseating, you have idiots from outside the fanbase coming in here acting like we picked this bum up to start and play 36 mins a night, and others just bitching and whining about every move King has done this summer.

It sucks that Cory Jefferson is going to get cut. I wish we could retain him but unless he outplays Alexander he will have to find a new job. It sucks because I like him, and think that he can continue to develop if he keeps working hard but as of right now Alexander has some legit tools to be a rotational NBA player. We also needed floor spacing without compromising our cap and also going back into lux tax territory

The right moves have been made all summer long. Stop it

Right.

Some people have it in their head that King cant make any successful moves. They want to further their narrative instead of analyzing things for what they are. Since the Boston trade, King has done a great job of accumulating talent despite his hands being tied with the limited assets he had. I know much of that is because of his own doing but if I can acknowledge his past failures why cant people acknowledge his recent successes. Plumlee was the 22nd pick. Bogs was the 31st pick. Markel was the 44th pick. RHJ was the 23rd pick. He got Thad for KG's corpse. He got Marcus Thornton for Terry and Reggie. He got Jack and Karasev for Thornton. He got Thomas Robinson to take the minimum on a make good contract. He got rid of DWill to free up 39 mil in cap space for next offseason. He's doing great over the last two seasons and rebuilt this team about as best you can with what he had to work with.

[Trader_Joe]

Interesting did bit from NI in his latest article....Bargs approached the Nets in the 11th hour according to a source. He was the one asking to come here! So this absurd notion he came here because of a promise of PT is ridiculous. Plus Hollins makes the decisions on the court...not King.

As for the signing...I like it. We need to take on reclamation projects like this like we did with Blatche and Green. He's the only stretch big we have.

As for the can't shoot because of four year sample...
A. Why not look at last year when he was 45%/36%
B. Mirza was worse shooting and got 5x the money
C. Defenses still aren't going to leave him open regardless

I swear some people will complain no matter what. How about we see how he does?
If he doesn't work out he cost us about $300k more than the roster hold would have. That's not exactly going to make or break anything.

TJ weren't you on here making the argument that we shouldn't expect Thad to shoot the 3 ball like he did with us because he's proven to be not that good of a 3 point shooter? That's its too small of a sample. Thad Young took more 3's this year with the Nets and played the same number of games as Bargs. That's why I think it's myopic just look at last year's numbers when he hit just 15 3's. Hasn't proven to be a good 3 point shooter over the past few years.

But he has in the past and teams will still respect his shot on the perimeter (rightly or wrongly) and thus stretch the floor.

[NyCeEvO]

Bargs is a negative on the court. I would roll the dice with one of our younger players instead of rolling with Bargs as there would be great upside. On a vet min I'd look at Withey or Hansbrough instead of Bargs. I also would've pursued Cole Aldrich more aggressively who just signed a vet min contract a couple days ago.

This is also a two year deal if Bargs opts in next year. I don't know why we gave him a 2nd year. It adds some salary to the books next year and gives up a roster spot.

You are literally bitching just to bitch, it is a low risk MINIMUM signing to see if this guy can stretch the floor for us in spot minutes. You bitch about Thad, bitch about D-Will getting kicked out of here, bitch bitch bitch. The Nets need shooting in any way possible without compromising the cap space. Psycho T is not a shooter. Vet min signings do not **** up cap space. The guy will either hit shots when he gets minutes, or he will sit. Big deal. You act like they brought him in here to play 36 mins a night

Billy King, to his credit, has done his best to dig this team out of the mess he and the Russians have made and frankly, I think he's doing a decent job with the limited resources that he has.

Calm down, seriously.

He's not really spacing the court. He's a 30% 3 point shooter over the last 4 years and the number of 3's he's taken each of the last 4 years has decreased. He took under 2 3 point fied goal attempts/game.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with MDB on this one.

People are complaining about Bargs because of his failed history as the Raps #1 overall pick and expected #1/#2 option and as a near 30mpg player on the Knicks. His role on the Nets won't be anything close to that. The only reason why he'd even be in the rotation consistently is because he happened to play better than other guys, not because he has earned that right.

Hell, aside from Jarrett Jack being a coach's favorite (and every coach has at least one), if there's one thing I like about Hollins it's that he won't play you if you suck. He doesn't care about the name on the back of the jersey. He's benched Lopez and D-Will. He does not care who you are. If you're terrible, you're going to the bench.


Regarding the spacing issue, you and others are actually wrong about this.

Bargs is a career 30% 3pt shooter.

Dare I bring up the idea that Bogs actually knows he's not a good 3pt shooter too hence the reason why he shot the fewest 3PA per 36min of his career last season and had a respectable percentage? It's not like he went out there and was constantly jacking up 3s. The dude took the fewest threes of his career even when you equalize minutes played per game and he knocked them down at a decent rate when he took them.

So he had a career low 3PA rate but he had a career high in % of FGA from 10-16ft and 16ft <3pt line. He increased the number of midrange and long distance jumpers to the degree that 10-16ft shots comprised 20.2% of his total shots and the 16ft <3pt line jumpers made up another 33% of his shots. 53% of Bargs FGAs came between 10ft and the 3pt line.

Guess what his FG% was for those ranges?

10-16ft: 45.2%
16<3pt: 44.5%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bargnan01.html

Out of 79 NBA players who attempted at least 2.0 FGpg from the 15-19ft range, he was 20th in FG% (1.4FG/3.2FGA) (45.2%) which was actually better than Melo (2.2FG/5.1FGA, 43.6%) and everyone knows how good Melo is as a mid-range shooter.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/shooting/?sort=15-19%20ft.%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=15-19%20ft.%20FGA*G*2.0

Out of the 261 players who attempted at least 1.0 FGpg from 20-24ft range, he was 8th in FG% (0.9FG/1.9FGA) at 48.1% which was markedly better than Melo (1.4FG/3.3FGA) at 424% (38th in that ranking). Even Steph Curry had a lower FG% (1.6FG/3.6FGA, 44.1 FG%, 23rd in the league) in that range than Bargs.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/shooting/?sort=20-24%20ft.%20FG%20PCT&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=20-24%20ft.%20FGA*G*1.0

The point is not to say Bargs is better than Melo or Steph Curry lol. Both of those guys are stars, clear cut #1 options and receive way more defensive attention than Bargs does.

However, the point is to prove that as a non-#1 option playing over 25mpg, Bargs was a good volume shooter from mid-range out to the 3pt line extended and he was more selective with his 3pt shot (which makes sense since he wasn't asked to be the #1 option like the Raptors).

Bargs role on this team will be a stretch 5/4 for 10-15mpg.

If we need help defense from the 5 for a time (guess what?), Bargs won't be in.
(His post man defense is actually pretty underrated and people who are more interested in basketball analysis and less interested in making themselves feel better about their lives by trying to make fun of bad NBA players will actually admit that.)

He'd only be in when Hollins believes having scoring from the mid-range area would beneficial for a few minutes.

It's a 2 year contract. It commits some more salary to the books in 2016-17 and another roster spot. It's not a one year minimum contract.

It's a 2 year veteran minimum contract with a player option in the 2nd year. The key word is minimum.

Are you really complaining about $1.4mil out of a $90mil salary cap next year? And you're acting like that is untradeable and unwaive-able.

I mean seriously, you're making much out of nothing.

We sign Bargs who has a reputation as poor locker room guy, is a low effort player. Now the narrative is his shooting - which he really isn't all that good at trumps his poor attitude/work ethic things you were preaching after we cut ties with Thad.

Players aren't going to Bogs for veteran leadership and quotes of the day. He's a vet min player who could easily be waived like every other vet min contract in the history of the NBA.

He's not playing major minutes unless 3-4 of our big men go down with season-ending injuries.
He's not Deron Williams who verbally said that he and his family didn't like being in the city.

You're sipping the Kool-Aid for hating on Bargs because it's so easy to do that.

No one is expecting him to be a world beater. We all know his flaws. In some areas, they're quite severe. However, that's what role players are.

Flawed players who are probably good at 1 or 2 things and if they're restricted from doing anything they're not good at, they can provide a positive spark. That's all we're looking at with him, nothing more.

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Interesting did bit from NI in his latest article....Bargs approached the Nets in the 11th hour according to a source. He was the one asking to come here! So this absurd notion he came here because of a promise of PT is ridiculous. Plus Hollins makes the decisions on the court...not King.

As for the signing...I like it. We need to take on reclamation projects like this like we did with Blatche and Green. He's the only stretch big we have.

As for the can't shoot because of four year sample...
A. Why not look at last year when he was 45%/36%
B. Mirza was worse shooting and got 5x the money
C. Defenses still aren't going to leave him open regardless

I swear some people will complain no matter what. How about we see how he does?
If he doesn't work out he cost us about $300k more than the roster hold would have. That's not exactly going to make or break anything.

TJ weren't you on here making the argument that we shouldn't expect Thad to shoot the 3 ball like he did with us because he's proven to be not that good of a 3 point shooter? That's its too small of a sample. Thad Young took more 3's this year with the Nets and played the same number of games as Bargs. That's why I think it's myopic just look at last year's numbers when he hit just 15 3's. Hasn't proven to be a good 3 point shooter over the past few years.

But he has in the past and teams will still respect his shot on the perimeter (rightly or wrongly) and thus stretch the floor.

The last time Bargs shot the 3 ball at a good clip on good volume was 2011-12. In 2012-13 Jack shot over 40% from 3 on good volume. You seem to expect Bargs to bounce back to what he shot in 2011-12, but not Jack? Their career 3 point shooting %'s are similar.

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Re #3. I'll repeat myself "He's not really spacing the court. He's a 30% 3 point shooter over the last 4 years and the number of 3's he's taken each of the last 4 years has decreased. He took under 2 3 point fied goal attempts/game"

That's call intelligence. It might be a foreign concept for you for some reason but if what you are doing isnt working then maybe it's time to move in a little closer to make a higher % shot.

People like 3pter just for the sake of analytics. When you miss shots, especially 3 pointers, it tends to lead to fast break points. Give me the guy like Jack who hits half of his long two's and forces the opponent to take the ball out of the basket. We get to set our defense when that happens.

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TJ weren't you on here making the argument that we shouldn't expect Thad to shoot the 3 ball like he did with us because he's proven to be not that good of a 3 point shooter? That's its too small of a sample. Thad Young took more 3's this year with the Nets and played the same number of games as Bargs. That's why I think it's myopic just look at last year's numbers when he hit just 15 3's. Hasn't proven to be a good 3 point shooter over the past few years.

But he has in the past and teams will still respect his shot on the perimeter (rightly or wrongly) and thus stretch the floor.

The last time Bargs shot the 3 ball at a good clip on good volume was 2011-12. In 2012-13 Jack shot over 40% from 3 on good volume. You seem to expect Bargs to bounce back to what he shot in 2011-12, but not Jack? Their career 3 point shooting %'s are similar.

No, I do think Jack can return to the norm. I didn't think he would last season and thought he needed to stop shooting 3s last year as it simply wasn't his year.

But again the point is.. defenses will probably still cover him on the perimeter and thus he "stretches" the floor. Whether he makes his 3s at a respectable clip is TBD.

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on the signing itself, its pretty harmless so long as its on a minimum. mind you Lopez and Bargnani doesn't exactly strike fear into opposing teams either, seems rather poor defensively

Except Thad Young is the starting PF, not Bargs. Lopez and Bargs would rarely play together.

If they're ever on the court at the same time, it would be because Bargs would be playing well (by some miracle) while Thad and the 3 other bigs are getting a breather.

The stupidity being spewed in this thread from fans outside of our forum is astounding. They actually think we brought him in here to start...at least have a clue about the team you're trying to talk about before hitting the submit button

But here's the thing. I completely understand it.

Bargs is an extremely easy target because he failed big time as a Raptors #1/#2 option. They gave him a big contract. Therefore, just about every Canadian hates him and makes fun of him.

Bargs was pretty bad as a Knick because he 1) missed plenty of time and 2) the Knicks bought into the hype and figured that if he was a 3rd-4th option, he'd be able to contribute. Because he still didn't succeed in that role, he gets dumped on by everyone. They gave up their remaining pick swap rights to acquire him (since they already dealt agreed to a pick swap with the 2016 pick in an earlier trade.)

Now, he's on the Nets where he'll barely play. He'll only be brought in for a few minutes per game to stretch the floor and give Lopez a breather. We're paying him a vet min contract.

People want to ignore all of that because they want to find a reason to laugh at Bargs and laugh at another failure.

It doesn't matter that it's a vet min contract and he won't play that much unless he somehow ends up being a positive force. It's just the principle that we've signed him that makes a 5+ page thread with way more comments from fans from other teams than any other vet min signing (save David West on the Spurs).

If this seriously is what makes people laugh, go ahead and enjoy a good knee-slapper. At worst, he's cut and we go with the other 5 bigs on the team. At best, he actually plays decent in his 10mpg and he ends up having the last laugh.

It's a move with 0 risk and average reward. But people want to see it as a high risk, no reward situation so they can laugh and that's exactly what they're doing. Whatever floats their boat I guess.

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F3lon, Mirza is not worse than Bargs, come on now.

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1. Bargs is the worse help defender in the league. Ask Raptors fans, ask Knicks. As much as we may complain about Mirza Bargs is worse in this regard.

2. Bargs TRB% was below 10% last year and is for his career. Mirza has never been below 10%.

3. Mirza is a better 3 point shooter. He's a career 36% 3 point shooter. Bargs has shot 30.1% over the past 4 years. Mirza takes more 3's and makes more 3's.

How many ways do you have to dodge, weave around stats to make this post. Let's start with #3. You used Mirza's career 3pt% but not Bargs? Cherrypick much? Bargs is a career 35.6% 3pt shooter and has hit 3x as many 3s. If you want to talk about how they have played recently, Bargnani shot 36.6% from 3 LAST YEAR. Mirza shot 32.1%. Unlike Mirza, Bargnani can hit a shot from inside the 3 point line.

You actually use last years stats for rebounding though. Comparing rebounding numbers between these two guys is a tallest midget argument. If you are putting either one of these guys out there for rebounding or defense then you are probably going to lose. I can retort with Barnani blocking twice as many shots but like I said, no one wins arguing these moot points.

Here is the best way to compare these guys though: Mirza is going to make 5.5 mil this season. Bargnani is going to make the veteran minimum. Both of these guys are jokes as players outside of their shooting prowess. Everyone can accept that except a few delusional Mirza fans who think he is some kind of difference making player. Mirza's career is based off of 1 season of success, the other two were awful. He should be lucky to have Bargnani's level of success in the NBA.

I will enjoy ripping Bargnani much in the same fashion I enjoyed Johan Petro's time as a Net. No one is going to mistake Bargnani for Paul Milsap or Kevin Love.

I'm not cherry picking Bargs 3 point stats. His career 3 point shooting % is weighted by the fact that we was a good 3 point shooter early in his career. He shot over 40% in his 3rd season on good volume. We can't reasonably expect that again. Over the lasts 4 years he hasn't been a good 3 point shooters and his attempts have decreased. Looking at just last year's numbers is too small a sample size - he made just 15 3's. Look at the 3 year before that.

I see a guy who made an adjustment in shot selection last year. I dont expect him to be a 20 point scorer like he was early in his career. I want the guy he showed he was last year, someone smart enough to realize what a good shot is and what a bad shot is. I dont punish a guy for improving his shot selection, I actually encourage it. Maybe Phil Jackson got through to him in his zen like ways and made him a smarter player.