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Post#101 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:35 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:How has Landry "regessed since coming here"?

I wasn't attempting to make a controversial statement here. Oh well, here I go:

Shamet's Offensive Rating went from 115 to 113, his Defensive Rating went from 113 to 118, his win shares per 48 went from great bench piece (.096) to Mendoza line (.063), a bunch of different advanced statistics clearly indicate him regressing. I don't give a flip that he raised his 3-point accuracy by 1%, it's still not elite by any means.

We need to take a cold, hard look at the roster, and see who's able to continue with us, help us contend, and who's taking up space. We have the ability to add a half dozen ring chasing vets if we so choose, but we can't do it if our bleeding hearts are tied to underperforming roster cloggers.

Thanks for your services, Landry. I was not thrilled that we traded Bey for you (a gut reaction that has borne out true), but I was excited to see how excited YOU were for a fresh start here. You came into the league an extremely efficient 3&D combo guard, and somehow you've never been able to recapture the form you showed in the first 40 or so games of your career. Maybe you'll blossom into an unicorn hybrid Ray Allen / Gary Payton that you showed flashes of before. I'm willing to assume the opportunity cost that you won't, and there are a slew of more productive, cheap guards in the FA market who better fit our immediate needs. Not to mention, Cordinier *might* already be as good as you, and we've promised him a roster spot. So, take care, we'll do our best to send you to a good home for a TPE and a future 1st.


team based impact stats are not relevent for a 20 mpg role player on a team that had huge turnover during the year and had guys in and out during a covid shortened season in which he changed teams.

Is shamet having a worse dRTG with the Nets, a bottom 5 team in dRTG then with the clippers, a team that was loaded with stud defenders, surprising?

Landry was outstanding for us, especially after his early slump
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Post#102 » by ecuhus1981 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:24 pm

Stop making excuses for him. All 30 teams dealt with COVID protocols, lots of NBA players suffered from this pandemic and still produced better than Landry.

If you know anything about sample sizes and advanced statistics, you know that Offensive and Defensive ratings control and correct for such things as overall team efficiency. Shamet was an objectively worse defender, regardless of how we played as a team. Get Neto, get Green and let's shore up our leaky guard rotation.
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Post#103 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:30 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:Stop making excuses for him. All 30 teams dealt with COVID protocols, lots of NBA players suffered from this pandemic and still produced better than Landry.


I'm not talking about COVID protocols. im talking about actually having COVID. many of those who had it, struggled to get back to form (Tatum for instance).

If you know anything about sample sizes and advanced statistics, you know that Offensive and Defensive ratings control and correct for such things as overall team efficiency. Shamet was an objectively worse defender, regardless of how we played as a team. Get Neto, get Green and let's shore up our leaky guard rotation.


Shamet was one of our better defenders this year. playing in and out of the lineup with a consistently changing team makes it tough to consistently post impact numbers. Not to mention, on a team that won outscoring people

Shamet was great for us this year, a huge plus, and improved from last year with the clippers. It would be a big loss if he was moved.

Also, Saddiq bey is an enormous scrub... who we wouldnt even have drafted. the idea he would help us is also absurd. worse on both ends then shamet. He is like otto porter... a 3 & D guy without the D and who is lazy AF
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Re: Steve Nash is not fit to coach in the NBA 

Post#104 » by ecuhus1981 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:12 pm

Well there you have it, your shoot-the-moon strategy of rapid fire awful takes has worked wonders yet again. I concede. Good day sir.
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Post#105 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:19 pm

Boston just poached Ime Udoka from us. I'm happy for him, not happy for the Nets.
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Re: Steve Nash is not fit to coach in the NBA 

Post#106 » by Shark » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:39 pm

Was fully expecting to lose at least one of our bench coaches, but losing one to a division rival hurts a lot.
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Post#107 » by GYK » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:45 pm

Completely disagree.
While I don’t think any of our stars are bad people or even teammates, they are certainly big personalities and he managed that circus better than anyone not named Phil Jackson.
Also guided by MDA his offense was amazing. Clearly a MDA philosophy clone it works pretty well. Multiple players found success. Players that were done or useless elsewhere were great in their role here.
Defensively we struggled. Rebounding as well. His defensive philosophy might work though. Considering how the Bucks offense looks going forward we will know for sure. We made two teams struggle offensively while being a known bad defensive team.

Steve/MDA could never be GM’s(pick roster parts) but they clearly know basketball very well. Speaking of which the off season is about getting as many two way wings/playable bigs we can get. We may question why they weren’t on the team or brought in. But how many good wings/bigs are just sitting home? Guards skills are just higher. You have a higher chance of finding decent bargain bin guards than anything else. Anywho Nash suffered from ingredients more than cooking skills. He shut down a great offense(while conceding we’re not gonna stop their best most dominant catalyst player). His GM inclination for team building maybe as crappy as MDA. But the ideas he present are just as great.
With that said he might not be great in certain situations. He’s not someone who panics he’s actually pretty reluctant to call timeouts or make philosophy changes. Someone who fully believes if we continuously run the course and only the course the returns net wins. Reason he never used our best rebounder and potential Giannis stopper, because those problems were not going get opponents the win(tho I argue if we rebounded well we would have been the best net rating in the league). He’s pretty great drawing up plays and identifying mismatches. Offensively always pointing out something useful to players. Probably could’ve used more box and 1 defense with our players but again he’s all about seeing the philosophy all the way through.

I really don’t think Nash is problem. Especially for the team he has. I can’t say who would’ve have done better. We just would’ve saw more DJ from any other coach(which may or may not have been positive).
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Post#108 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:37 am

Nash has been excellent at handling personalities. I think that's a great point. I however, maintain his biggest flaw is how slow he is to adjust. Our game 7 offensive strategy should have been our strategy from well into the middle of the series. Lopez should have been a liability for the Bucks and we bailed them out with a lot of stupid basketball.

His calmness is a great attribute but he cannot watch teams go on 20-3 runs and expect guys to play their way out of it. He did that way too much.
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Post#109 » by Gooner » Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:03 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Nash has been excellent at handling personalities. I think that's a great point. I however, maintain his biggest flaw is how slow he is to adjust. Our game 7 offensive strategy should have been our strategy from well into the middle of the series. Lopez should have been a liability for the Bucks and we bailed them out with a lot of stupid basketball.

His calmness is a great attribute but he cannot watch teams go on 20-3 runs and expect guys to play their way out of it. He did that way too much.


Nash is a good PR guy, that's all he is.
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Post#110 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:17 pm

GYK wrote:Completely disagree.
While I don’t think any of our stars are bad people or even teammates, they are certainly big personalities and he managed that circus better than anyone not named Phil Jackson.
Also guided by MDA his offense was amazing. Clearly a MDA philosophy clone it works pretty well. Multiple players found success. Players that were done or useless elsewhere were great in their role here.
Defensively we struggled. Rebounding as well. His defensive philosophy might work though. Considering how the Bucks offense looks going forward we will know for sure. We made two teams struggle offensively while being a known bad defensive team.

Steve/MDA could never be GM’s(pick roster parts) but they clearly know basketball very well. Speaking of which the off season is about getting as many two way wings/playable bigs we can get. We may question why they weren’t on the team or brought in. But how many good wings/bigs are just sitting home? Guards skills are just higher. You have a higher chance of finding decent bargain bin guards than anything else. Anywho Nash suffered from ingredients more than cooking skills. He shut down a great offense(while conceding we’re not gonna stop their best most dominant catalyst player). His GM inclination for team building maybe as crappy as MDA. But the ideas he present are just as great.
With that said he might not be great in certain situations. He’s not someone who panics he’s actually pretty reluctant to call timeouts or make philosophy changes. Someone who fully believes if we continuously run the course and only the course the returns net wins. Reason he never used our best rebounder and potential Giannis stopper, because those problems were not going get opponents the win(tho I argue if we rebounded well we would have been the best net rating in the league). He’s pretty great drawing up plays and identifying mismatches. Offensively always pointing out something useful to players. Probably could’ve used more box and 1 defense with our players but again he’s all about seeing the philosophy all the way through.

I really don’t think Nash is problem. Especially for the team he has. I can’t say who would’ve have done better. We just would’ve saw more DJ from any other coach(which may or may not have been positive).


Nash was and is an awful coach... and not only is he a problem, he is an enormous problem. He just cost us a title or at least a trip to the finals. Our offense was not good. It was just 3 stars abusing people. with real coaching, we would have been 10-15% better offensively, had more blowout wins, and been able to rest guys more in the 4th.

also, no one came here who was useless elsewhere and turned into something great, other then maybe blake who was clearly costing in detroit with 0 dunks in 2 years.

we lost at least 12 RS and 3 playoffs games on coaching

We wont win a title with steve nash as coach
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Post#111 » by GYK » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:28 pm

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GYK wrote:Completely disagree.
While I don’t think any of our stars are bad people or even teammates, they are certainly big personalities and he managed that circus better than anyone not named Phil Jackson.
Also guided by MDA his offense was amazing. Clearly a MDA philosophy clone it works pretty well. Multiple players found success. Players that were done or useless elsewhere were great in their role here.
Defensively we struggled. Rebounding as well. His defensive philosophy might work though. Considering how the Bucks offense looks going forward we will know for sure. We made two teams struggle offensively while being a known bad defensive team.

Steve/MDA could never be GM’s(pick roster parts) but they clearly know basketball very well. Speaking of which the off season is about getting as many two way wings/playable bigs we can get. We may question why they weren’t on the team or brought in. But how many good wings/bigs are just sitting home? Guards skills are just higher. You have a higher chance of finding decent bargain bin guards than anything else. Anywho Nash suffered from ingredients more than cooking skills. He shut down a great offense(while conceding we’re not gonna stop their best most dominant catalyst player). His GM inclination for team building maybe as crappy as MDA. But the ideas he present are just as great.
With that said he might not be great in certain situations. He’s not someone who panics he’s actually pretty reluctant to call timeouts or make philosophy changes. Someone who fully believes if we continuously run the course and only the course the returns net wins. Reason he never used our best rebounder and potential Giannis stopper, because those problems were not going get opponents the win(tho I argue if we rebounded well we would have been the best net rating in the league). He’s pretty great drawing up plays and identifying mismatches. Offensively always pointing out something useful to players. Probably could’ve used more box and 1 defense with our players but again he’s all about seeing the philosophy all the way through.

I really don’t think Nash is problem. Especially for the team he has. I can’t say who would’ve have done better. We just would’ve saw more DJ from any other coach(which may or may not have been positive).


Nash was and is an awful coach... and not only is he a problem, he is an enormous problem. He just cost us a title or at least a trip to the finals. Our offense was not good. It was just 3 stars abusing people. with real coaching, we would have been 10-15% better offensively, had more blowout wins, and been able to rest guys more in the 4th.

also, no one came here who was useless elsewhere and turned into something great, other then maybe blake who was clearly costing in detroit with 0 dunks in 2 years.

we lost at least 12 RS and 3 playoffs games on coaching

We wont win a title with steve nash as coach

How would quantify 10-15% better? The only reason we weren’t blowing out more teams in the RS is we didn’t have the rebounding personnel. His philosophy did lead to a top 10 opponent FG%, as in the 10th lowest. We certainly played good defense just giving up too much in rebounding. Pretty simple. Not enough playable bigs and wings to rebound well enough.

Mike wasn’t in the league, might not be in the league next season if not here.
Bruce played a style on offense literally never before seen and worked well on a team nobody relies on him. Disappears anytime he starts to get noticed by the defense.
Shamet actually played worse here than elsewhere.
Nic has always been but his hype is far greater here and would plummet elsewhere. He can’t participate in any big responsibilities such a rebounding or post defense.
Blake was terrible in Detroit and if his usage or had to take unassisted shots like he did there he would be back to trash.
Etc etc. if they leave they will be back to invalids. They weren’t good and could only start here because the mid season trade or maybe push up on a basement team.

Yea I don’t think you’re right. But you know it’s alright to have opinions. My opinion is that your greatly wrong. That we lost only due to health, only getting this far with two all time performances from Durant. Your opinion is despite health and roster limitations we blew it. Fair enough.
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Post#112 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:31 am

The Blazers passed on Becky Hammon. Yet here we are stuck with Steve Nash while our coaching staff gets poached. I would hire her immediately.
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Post#113 » by Born_Ready » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:53 am

MrDollarBills wrote:The Blazers passed on Becky Hammon. Yet here we are stuck with Steve Nash while our coaching staff gets poached. I would hire her immediately.


I have been pounding my fist on the table for Brooklyn to give her a shot. Not really sure how she is getting overlooked. She can coach. PeriodT.

I love that hire for Portland as well but wish it would have been Dantoni so he could get far away from Brooklyn as possible.
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Post#114 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:35 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:The Blazers passed on Becky Hammon. Yet here we are stuck with Steve Nash while our coaching staff gets poached. I would hire her immediately.


I have been pounding my fist on the table for Brooklyn to give her a shot. Not really sure how she is getting overlooked. She can coach. PeriodT.

I love that hire for Portland as well but wish it would have been Dantoni so he could get far away from Brooklyn as possible.


I'm happy for Billups who I have a lot of respect for...and as someone who put in the work on the sidelines before getting the job....but it sucks to see teams pass up on Hammon. I wish Marks poached her last summer from the Spurs.
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Post#115 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:54 pm

After seeing how Ty Lue has performed its almost criminal how Marks passed on him.

Why the insistence on Nash? Nash could have earned his way like Billups did.
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Post#116 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:46 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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MrDollarBills wrote:The Blazers passed on Becky Hammon. Yet here we are stuck with Steve Nash while our coaching staff gets poached. I would hire her immediately.


I have been pounding my fist on the table for Brooklyn to give her a shot. Not really sure how she is getting overlooked. She can coach. PeriodT.

I love that hire for Portland as well but wish it would have been Dantoni so he could get far away from Brooklyn as possible.


I'm happy for Billups who I have a lot of respect for...and as someone who put in the work on the sidelines before getting the job....but it sucks to see teams pass up on Hammon. I wish Marks poached her last summer from the Spurs.


at the same time, im glad she hasnt been poached,... keeps that option open for when nash is inevitably fired
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Post#117 » by Prokorov » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:47 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:After seeing how Ty Lue has performed its almost criminal how Marks passed on him.

Why the insistence on Nash? Nash could have earned his way like Billups did.


old white guys taking care of their old white guy friends.

passed on a dozen better, more qualified black men and 2 women. didnt even consider most of that group and demoted a more qualified black coach already acting as head coach

d-bag move by marks.
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Post#118 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:30 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
Born_Ready wrote:
I have been pounding my fist on the table for Brooklyn to give her a shot. Not really sure how she is getting overlooked. She can coach. PeriodT.

I love that hire for Portland as well but wish it would have been Dantoni so he could get far away from Brooklyn as possible.


I'm happy for Billups who I have a lot of respect for...and as someone who put in the work on the sidelines before getting the job....but it sucks to see teams pass up on Hammon. I wish Marks poached her last summer from the Spurs.


at the same time, im glad she hasnt been poached,... keeps that option open for when nash is inevitably fired


The clock is ticking. Someone is going to hire her, and they will reap the benefits of her being under Pop's tutelage.

Meanwhile, we are all but certain to head into another season of the Nash and D'Antoni **** show
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Post#119 » by Stone » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:21 am

Do we know with any degree of certainty on whether or not Kyrie and KD had any input of the decision to hire Nash?

Or was this strictly a Marks decision?

What concerned me about the Nash hiring from the beginning was how random it seemed. Nash had no experiance and was not on anyones radar as far as I know. On top of that he did not project the winning is everything or Mamba mentality. Yeah he is a two time MVP and comes across as a nice guy, but as my Father used to say "You could fill Yankee Stadium with nice guys". Alluding to needing qualified people.
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Post#120 » by Shark » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:31 am

Sucks that it looks like we're going to be stuck with MDA being the "offensive" mind behind Nash.

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