GT: Nets @ Hawks 12/10- 7:30......... It's 5:00 PM, Do you know where Kyrie Irving is?

[gigantes]

I wouldn't mind a 1-on-1 swap w/ Simmons as well.

Not me, Simmons isn't a good fit here with Harden as the PG and he's a non shooter

I would ship Kyrie in a 3 team deal with us, POR and PHIL

I think we can use him the way we use Johnson. His D will be invaluable in the playoffs, just don't expect much on the offensive side.

Problems as I see it:

- Playing like James Johnson, and even as an elite defender, still seems like underwhelming value for a max player.

- His meltdown last playoffs, and the way he and his human parasite of an agent handled all this, bodes poorly to me. This is like the opposite of a Jimmy Butler situation, in which a headstrong guy's drive and passion only needed to be channeled to the right scenario. Simmons is a lot more like Kyrie to me, in which case he has an enormous opinion of himself, and isn't willing to make the effort unless everything is already just the way he wants it. Actually, maybe that's even unfair to Kai, because it looks like Simmons isn't nearly as hard-working or tough-minded as Kyrie has been on the game court and practice court.

- Simmons almost certainly still thinks of himself as a point-forward and someone who the offense should flow through, when various analyses and metrics have that in real dispute. How then does he coexist with a more talented PG? Or how does a team work with him as the de-facto PG? These are some immediate, pressing questions as I see it.

So to me there are some real issues with the guy, and whoever trades for him is still going to have to crack some codes, many of them probably right inside Simmons' head. Assuming it's a contender or near-contender, that is. Arguably he's best-suited to a GM who needs to make a move for his own welfare, or to take a pretty big gamble, or to boost up a lower-echelon team.

[GTR11]

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[HardenGoat]

Simmons clashed with Butler who I consider a very team oriented non dominant player. Imagine him trying to take over the offense with Harden on the floor. He would be asked to be a cutter and finisher similar to what Bembry does. Bembry though can at least shoot some. Simmons would be useless at the end of games or when we bring Claxton out which means we would have to revamp that overlap. He would also compete for touches from Durant. He literally needs a team built around him perfectly to work.

[NetsJets]

Good win but it’s concerning that this team is too reliant on KD. If this was last years Harden’s then this wouldn’t be a concern. He’s still good but he’s taken a step back. This is why Kyrie not being around hurts right now.

[NetsWorld]

Simmons clashed with Butler who I consider a very team oriented non dominant player. Imagine him trying to take over the offense with Harden on the floor. He would be asked to be a cutter and finisher similar to what Bembry does. Bembry though can at least shoot some. Simmons would be useless at the end of games or when we bring Claxton out which means we would have to revamp that overlap. He would also compete for touches from Durant. He literally needs a team built around him perfectly to work.

Simmons would anchor our defense to top 2. He is ridiculously good on that side of the floor and can get points in the paint for us. We would try and play him as a big and he might be able to help with pick and roll with Harden. He would get us to the 60 win mark.

[Prokorov]

I wouldn't mind a 1-on-1 swap w/ Simmons as well.

Not me, Simmons isn't a good fit here with Harden as the PG and he's a non shooter

I would ship Kyrie in a 3 team deal with us, POR and PHIL

I think we can use him the way we use Johnson. His D will be invaluable in the playoffs, just don't expect much on the offensive side.

A team having offensive issues doesnt need the most negative offensive player, whose has had catasrophic playoff meltdowns as the solution. even last post season, defense wasnt an issue.

MDB had it right, if kyrie is dealt for simmons, it needs to be a 3-team trade with simmons going elsewhere

[Prokorov]

Not me, Simmons isn't a good fit here with Harden as the PG and he's a non shooter

I would ship Kyrie in a 3 team deal with us, POR and PHIL

I think we can use him the way we use Johnson. His D will be invaluable in the playoffs, just don't expect much on the offensive side.

I'd rather have CJ McCollum

McCollum has a collapsed lung and his efficiency this year has gone in the toilet.

[Prokorov]

Great fun back and forth game. When Claxton came in thats when we took over. He's just so disruptive on defense. Another solid team effort, everyone contributed. LOL how funny it is to see TLC stinkin it up for the Hawks lmaooo glad hes not here no more. Dude missed all his shots and some easy layups

I wonder how Clax would've impacted our last game against the Warriors, as he certainly can stay in front of Curry.

if were gonna switch everything, Claxton is key. he can stay with any PG. LMA on curry aint gonna get it done.

[JoseRizal]

This last game with the Hawks definitely underscores the value of having defenders in the team. We already have a closer in KD, and a facilitator in Harden. If only we can upgrade the position that Johnson is occupying, then we'll be golden. I'm pretty comfortable having Clax closing games, just needs to be replaced by LMA in FT situations.

[BigO]

If I'm Philly, I'd do everything I can to make sure trading Simmons does not make any any of the top teams in the East better. Kyrie coming back here, or McCollum coming to the Nets or even Simmons coming to the Nets, all but guarantees, at minimum, a trip to the Finals.

[ecuhus1981]

If I'm Philly, I'd do everything I can to make sure trading Simmons does not make any any of the top teams in the East better. Kyrie coming back here, or McCollum coming to the Nets or even Simmons coming to the Nets, all but guarantees, at minimum, a trip to the Finals.

Philly fans seem to think that Simmons would solve all of Brooklyn's defensive woes, and would make us a lock to win it all. Not true.

Ben's value is partially unlocked through primary ball handling duties, something he would not see here. He's frustrated now, I don't think he'd be happier with Draymond-level usage in Brooklyn. Also, our defense is actually not the problem it was last season, it has carried us to multiple wins so far this season. We need offensive efficiency, specifically shot creation, paint finishing and 3-point accuracy. That doesn't fit the Simmons description.

[Prokorov]

If I'm Philly, I'd do everything I can to make sure trading Simmons does not make any any of the top teams in the East better. Kyrie coming back here, or McCollum coming to the Nets or even Simmons coming to the Nets, all but guarantees, at minimum, a trip to the Finals.

Philly fans seem to think that Simmons would solve all of Brooklyn's defensive woes, and would make us a lock to win it all. Not true.

Ben's value is partially unlocked through primary ball handling duties, something he would not see here. He's frustrated now, I don't think he'd be happier with Draymond-level usage in Brooklyn. Also, our defense is actually not the problem it was last season, it has carried us to multiple wins so far this season. We need offensive efficiency, specifically shot creation, paint finishing and 3-point accuracy. That doesn't fit the Simmons description.

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

[ecuhus1981]

If I'm Philly, I'd do everything I can to make sure trading Simmons does not make any any of the top teams in the East better. Kyrie coming back here, or McCollum coming to the Nets or even Simmons coming to the Nets, all but guarantees, at minimum, a trip to the Finals.

Philly fans seem to think that Simmons would solve all of Brooklyn's defensive woes, and would make us a lock to win it all. Not true.

Ben's value is partially unlocked through primary ball handling duties, something he would not see here. He's frustrated now, I don't think he'd be happier with Draymond-level usage in Brooklyn. Also, our defense is actually not the problem it was last season, it has carried us to multiple wins so far this season. We need offensive efficiency, specifically shot creation, paint finishing and 3-point accuracy. That doesn't fit the Simmons description.

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

[Suwanee]

Philly fans seem to think that Simmons would solve all of Brooklyn's defensive woes, and would make us a lock to win it all. Not true.

Ben's value is partially unlocked through primary ball handling duties, something he would not see here. He's frustrated now, I don't think he'd be happier with Draymond-level usage in Brooklyn. Also, our defense is actually not the problem it was last season, it has carried us to multiple wins so far this season. We need offensive efficiency, specifically shot creation, paint finishing and 3-point accuracy. That doesn't fit the Simmons description.

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

Well, let’s not get carried away here. I mean, 6th overall is nice and all. But let’s not sound like we’re 1st overall on defense and can’t shore up our defense anymore.

But latest news is Philly is going to require vaccination to play indoor sports too. So this is a moot point now.

[8David24]

Philly fans seem to think that Simmons would solve all of Brooklyn's defensive woes, and would make us a lock to win it all. Not true.

Ben's value is partially unlocked through primary ball handling duties, something he would not see here. He's frustrated now, I don't think he'd be happier with Draymond-level usage in Brooklyn. Also, our defense is actually not the problem it was last season, it has carried us to multiple wins so far this season. We need offensive bet365 efficiency, specifically shot creation, paint finishing and 3-point accuracy. That doesn't fit the Simmons description.

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

Trade Irving for package of 2-3 good / defensive players and Nets are just fine.

Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level, I dont agree. I think that Simmons in Nets make Nets super great team... but will see. still hoping that Irving will play for the nets..

[NetsWorld]

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

Trade Irving for package of 2-3 good / defensive players and Nets are just fine.

Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level, I dont agree. I think that Simmons in Nets make Nets super great team... but will see. still hoping that Irving will play for the nets..

The narrative is Kyrie coming back. I highly doubt these main steam outlets are leaking this only to look like fools. Irving will be back eventually and if you pay close attention from how this narrative formed, you will know it isn’t accidental. My prediction is this was all to play people into creating media hype and buzz to generate views and money. Now that it’s over, I believe he will get the vaccine.

[Prokorov]

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

Trade Irving for package of 2-3 good / defensive players and Nets are just fine.

Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level, I dont agree. I think that Simmons in Nets make Nets super great team... but will see. still hoping that Irving will play for the nets..

Again, our defense is outstanding. ranked 6th but closer to 1st/2nd as alot of the points we give up are due to points allowed of turnovers, which isnt really defense.

We need offense. We need someone who can shoot threes AND get buckets AND create offense for others.

Kyrie obviously does that. if you trade him for multiple guys you need a poor mans kyrie and an elite finishing big.

something like Garland + Allen

[Prokorov]

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

Well, let’s not get carried away here. I mean, 6th overall is nice and all. But let’s not sound like we’re 1st overall on defense and can’t shore up our defense anymore.

But latest news is Philly is going to require vaccination to play indoor sports too. So this is a moot point now.

We are dead last in points allowed off turnovers. if we improved to 16th (middle of the pack) in points allowed of turnovers our Drtg goes to 2nd in the league.

Our D has been outstanding.

[HardenGoat]

One thing that will happen is our defense will get even better. We are notoriously bad in the third quarters. Sloppy and porous. When the games get more meaningful that will get cleaned up. I have no doubt when the playoffs start we will be elite. When Kyrie comes back I can see us using Harris to get a long defensive 3-D player as well. Mills has proven he is a clutch shooter and better defender in his own right.

[TheNetsFan]

What defensive woes exactly do the nets have?

6th in overall defens (pts allowed per 100)
1st in 3PT% allowed
2nd in FG% allowed
8th in steals

Our issues are on the offensive end. swapping Kyrie for Simmons doesnt help that, it might make it worse. Meanwhile, Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level. Kyrie/Embiid is scary and they have the role guys around them.

We don't have defensive woes, that's precisely my point, friend.

Folks that express that we need Ben because he'll shore up our defense, are simply proving that they haven't watched us this season.

Trade Irving for package of 2-3 good / defensive players and Nets are just fine.

Kyrie on Philly may take them to a nuclear level, I dont agree. I think that Simmons in Nets make Nets super great team... but will see. still hoping that Irving will play for the nets..

It's not that simple. If you trade Kyrie for 2-3 good players, you also have to cut or trade 1-2 current Nets to make roster space. That needs to factor into the equation.