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Fallout_3 wrote:If it was only about the star we get, would you prefer Jaylen Brown, Ingram or Scottie Barnes?
3pt_chucker wrote:I think nothing will happen until it's really close to training camp and the Nets find out if KD will show up (he can sit out or go the imaginary injury route).
It's obvious by now is that the best team the Nets can have next season is the one that currently exist with KD. Until they know for sure KD won't be willing to run it back, it doesn't make sense to rush a trade.
If KD sits out, then I think the Nets would look at which team gave them the best offer over the summer and try to finalize a deal.
So everything right now is just canvassing the league and seeing which teams truly wants to negotiate and what can potentially be on the table. Celtics making this offer last weekend(July16th) show offers will continually come in. I'm sure another offer(s) is coming now that the Brown info was leaked.
MGrand15 wrote:It blows my mind that some people still trust Kyrie to stay healthy and committed to the team.
I've seen some people say 'it's a contract year - he HAS to stay committed' or they think he has something to prove. No. He doesn't think that way at all.
Fallout_3 wrote:If it was only about the star we get, would you prefer Jaylen Brown, Ingram or Scottie Barnes?
MGrand15 wrote:Fallout_3 wrote:If it was only about the star we get, would you prefer Jaylen Brown, Ingram or Scottie Barnes?
Barnes is the worst now but he has to be 1. He'd give us time to properly rebuild and if he turns into a star, he's under contract for like 8 years. If you include RFA where we can match anything.
Brown is 2. I think he's been held back a bit in Boston in the shadow of Tatum and/or playing with shoot-first guards.
Ingram is 3. He's a good player but IDK - he always gave me the vibe that he doesn't effect winning much.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
MrDollarBills wrote:3pt_chucker wrote:I think nothing will happen until it's really close to training camp and the Nets find out if KD will show up (he can sit out or go the imaginary injury route).
It's obvious by now is that the best team the Nets can have next season is the one that currently exist with KD. Until they know for sure KD won't be willing to run it back, it doesn't make sense to rush a trade.
If KD sits out, then I think the Nets would look at which team gave them the best offer over the summer and try to finalize a deal.
So everything right now is just canvassing the league and seeing which teams truly wants to negotiate and what can potentially be on the table. Celtics making this offer last weekend(July16th) show offers will continually come in. I'm sure another offer(s) is coming now that the Brown info was leaked.
If KD sits out, our leverage is kaput
Get rid of him now. I thought that he would have come to his senses but he still wants out. We aren't going to win with him not being fully committed.
3pt_chucker wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:3pt_chucker wrote:I think nothing will happen until it's really close to training camp and the Nets find out if KD will show up (he can sit out or go the imaginary injury route).
It's obvious by now is that the best team the Nets can have next season is the one that currently exist with KD. Until they know for sure KD won't be willing to run it back, it doesn't make sense to rush a trade.
If KD sits out, then I think the Nets would look at which team gave them the best offer over the summer and try to finalize a deal.
So everything right now is just canvassing the league and seeing which teams truly wants to negotiate and what can potentially be on the table. Celtics making this offer last weekend(July16th) show offers will continually come in. I'm sure another offer(s) is coming now that the Brown info was leaked.
If KD sits out, our leverage is kaput
Get rid of him now. I thought that he would have come to his senses but he still wants out. We aren't going to win with him not being fully committed.
I disagree. In recent history AD and Harden made a huge mess of things and both NO and HOU still got major hauls. Even Philly and Simmons to a lesser extent. If KD holds out the Nets can still hold onto him until they get the right deal that makes sense. The Nets just have to stay strong since he's still under 4 yrs contract AND his peak window is closing.
Things can change(from KD's perspective) The season is still months away. Winning is the great magical perfume of any stinky situation.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
vincecarter4pres wrote:3pt_chucker wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
If KD sits out, our leverage is kaput
Get rid of him now. I thought that he would have come to his senses but he still wants out. We aren't going to win with him not being fully committed.
I disagree. In recent history AD and Harden made a huge mess of things and both NO and HOU still got major hauls. Even Philly and Simmons to a lesser extent. If KD holds out the Nets can still hold onto him until they get the right deal that makes sense. The Nets just have to stay strong since he's still under 4 yrs contract AND his peak window is closing.
Things can change(from KD's perspective) The season is still months away. Winning is the great magical perfume of any stinky situation.
I personally, just really want KD traded. Forget all my emotional fan stuff, I just think there's no way this team can truly contend with the stink of **** on it from this situation and from KD and all his bitchassness and Kyrie's hair brained garbage either, let alone what a huge question mark Simmons is.
So what you're left with, is a once again underperforming, aging roster with some holes, chemistry issues and **** coaching, so an unenjoyable experience for a 2nd round at best exit, season of tumultuous turmoil and ball stopping twatting.
Trade these clowns now, before any risk of injury or tanking.
3pt_chucker wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:3pt_chucker wrote:I think nothing will happen until it's really close to training camp and the Nets find out if KD will show up (he can sit out or go the imaginary injury route).
It's obvious by now is that the best team the Nets can have next season is the one that currently exist with KD. Until they know for sure KD won't be willing to run it back, it doesn't make sense to rush a trade.
If KD sits out, then I think the Nets would look at which team gave them the best offer over the summer and try to finalize a deal.
So everything right now is just canvassing the league and seeing which teams truly wants to negotiate and what can potentially be on the table. Celtics making this offer last weekend(July16th) show offers will continually come in. I'm sure another offer(s) is coming now that the Brown info was leaked.
If KD sits out, our leverage is kaput
Get rid of him now. I thought that he would have come to his senses but he still wants out. We aren't going to win with him not being fully committed.
I disagree. In recent history AD and Harden made a huge mess of things and both NO and HOU still got major hauls. Even Philly and Simmons to a lesser extent. If KD holds out the Nets can still hold onto him until they get the right deal that makes sense. The Nets just have to stay strong since he's still under 4 yrs contract AND his peak window is closing.
Things can change(from KD's perspective) The season is still months away. Winning is the great magical perfume of any stinky situation.
Papi_swav wrote:I'm not trading KD unless WE get what WE want. Boston screwed and owned enough teams with their trades , it's time to pay up now, can't always have it their way. They expect us to just take Brown , White and a 1st and they get to keep all of their depth? No way. We need Brown, Smart, Williams and all of their 1sts, not this year but next year and years after that for when KD breaks down, and throw in Pritchard while you're at it or White either or.. If not then keep KD, we have ALL the leverage here. KD is under contract so if Boston really wants him they're going to have to come better than that.
This would definitely be a nice haul for our future and our team right now especially with Kyrie and Simmons here. Great combo of offense and defense. We should still be a contender with this team IMO. KD is still great but he only has so much left in the tank and nothing left in the head so Boston can have him if they want IDC, he's going to collapse if they don't win it next year.
MagicBagley18 wrote:3pt_chucker wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
If KD sits out, our leverage is kaput
Get rid of him now. I thought that he would have come to his senses but he still wants out. We aren't going to win with him not being fully committed.
I disagree. In recent history AD and Harden made a huge mess of things and both NO and HOU still got major hauls. Even Philly and Simmons to a lesser extent. If KD holds out the Nets can still hold onto him until they get the right deal that makes sense. The Nets just have to stay strong since he's still under 4 yrs contract AND his peak window is closing.
Things can change(from KD's perspective) The season is still months away. Winning is the great magical perfume of any stinky situation.
I agree with your 2nd point about winning can fix all of this and still am not convinced the nets will actually trade Durant and that he won’t say he wants to stay but the 2 examples you used are rare. For AD the lakers were under tremendous pressure from lebron to get him no matter the cost to maximize lebrons win now window. He was also like 25 years old just entering his prime with his best years ahead of him.
The pelicans were also able to leverage the lakers to a tiny degree by saying we would trade him to Boston (or elsewhere) who was perceived to have better assets at that time (even though AD never wanted to go there they still played it up that ainge didn’t care and would risk it to try and keep kyrie at that time ironically )
Harden was a rental and Durant especially and kyrie to a much lesser degree again put real pressure on the nets to acquire harden by any means necessary.
sogood wrote:Papi_swav wrote:I'm not trading KD unless WE get what WE want. Boston screwed and owned enough teams with their trades , it's time to pay up now, can't always have it their way. They expect us to just take Brown , White and a 1st and they get to keep all of their depth? No way. We need Brown, Smart, Williams and all of their 1sts, not this year but next year and years after that for when KD breaks down, and throw in Pritchard while you're at it or White either or.. If not then keep KD, we have ALL the leverage here. KD is under contract so if Boston really wants him they're going to have to come better than that.
This would definitely be a nice haul for our future and our team right now especially with Kyrie and Simmons here. Great combo of offense and defense. We should still be a contender with this team IMO. KD is still great but he only has so much left in the tank and nothing left in the head so Boston can have him if they want IDC, he's going to collapse if they don't win it next year.
lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.
3pt_chucker wrote:MagicBagley18 wrote:3pt_chucker wrote:
I disagree. In recent history AD and Harden made a huge mess of things and both NO and HOU still got major hauls. Even Philly and Simmons to a lesser extent. If KD holds out the Nets can still hold onto him until they get the right deal that makes sense. The Nets just have to stay strong since he's still under 4 yrs contract AND his peak window is closing.
Things can change(from KD's perspective) The season is still months away. Winning is the great magical perfume of any stinky situation.
I agree with your 2nd point about winning can fix all of this and still am not convinced the nets will actually trade Durant and that he won’t say he wants to stay but the 2 examples you used are rare. For AD the lakers were under tremendous pressure from lebron to get him no matter the cost to maximize lebrons win now window. He was also like 25 years old just entering his prime with his best years ahead of him.
The pelicans were also able to leverage the lakers to a tiny degree by saying we would trade him to Boston (or elsewhere) who was perceived to have better assets at that time (even though AD never wanted to go there they still played it up that ainge didn’t care and would risk it to try and keep kyrie at that time ironically )
Harden was a rental and Durant especially and kyrie to a much lesser degree again put real pressure on the nets to acquire harden by any means necessary.
Isn't this current situation rare as well? KD is still a top 3-5 player in the NBA, with 4yrs left in a situation of his choosing and wants out. This rarely happens in the NBA.
Yes, LeBron being older is the main reason the AD trade happened. AD made it known that he was going to sign with the Lakers no matter what, so no one was buying the Ainge angle. Lakers bid against themselves because they didn't want to waste a prime LBJ season.
The Nets were interested in getting Harden before the season even started but got pressured into making a deal because Kyrie went AWOL, Dinwiddie got hurt early in the season and the team was under-performing(especially Levert who was having trouble finding his footing). While KD obviously pushed for Harden, Marks felt like they needed that 3rd star as insurance for when things go sideways(Kyrie and/or injuries). Also Philly was a legit threat as well, since the Nets needed to beat out the Ben Simmons based package.(Remember there were many talking head who felt that was the better package)
So as I mentioned, things can change quickly in the NBA and all it takes is for the Pelicans/Toronto/PHX/another team to underperform or any myriad of scenarios to play out, to convince a front office that they really do need a game changer in KD.
MGrand15 wrote:It blows my mind that some people still trust Kyrie to stay healthy and committed to the team.
I've seen some people say 'it's a contract year - he HAS to stay committed' or they think he has something to prove. No. He doesn't think that way at all.
This guy was coming off a disaster year in Boston. He should've been desperate to repair his reputation and prove he's a winner. Year 1 with us - he was a problem towards the coaches and the front office. Then fought against medical advice for as long he could. Ended up injured.
Year 2 he had his buddy Kevin Durant and we were contenders. He should've been 100% motivated. He still left the team mid-season. Didn't stay in contact with the team. Then ended the year injured.
Year 3 he had Kevin Durant and James Harden. We were overwhelming favorites to win the chip. After last year, he should've been 1000% focused on a chip. What more motivation could you ask for? Nope. We had the anti-vax stuff that derailed our team. He made no effort to stay in touch with the team while he was away. Drove away James Harden.
Guys like Kyrie just won't get it together. Teams might keep the BS behind the scenes instead of leaking it. We've tried - and even still - the stuff that has come out is just ridiculous. There's absolutely no part of Kyrie that thinks he needs to EARN his next contract. He thinks he's a truly elite player that will get it regardless. He doesn't think he's made any mistakes - he just thinks he's misunderstood or above everyone else.
Fallout_3 wrote:If it was only about the star we get, would you prefer Jaylen Brown, Ingram or Scottie Barnes?
Fallout_3 wrote:If it was only about the star we get, would you prefer Jaylen Brown, Ingram or Scottie Barnes?
sogood wrote:Papi_swav wrote:I'm not trading KD unless WE get what WE want. Boston screwed and owned enough teams with their trades , it's time to pay up now, can't always have it their way. They expect us to just take Brown , White and a 1st and they get to keep all of their depth? No way. We need Brown, Smart, Williams and all of their 1sts, not this year but next year and years after that for when KD breaks down, and throw in Pritchard while you're at it or White either or.. If not then keep KD, we have ALL the leverage here. KD is under contract so if Boston really wants him they're going to have to come better than that.
This would definitely be a nice haul for our future and our team right now especially with Kyrie and Simmons here. Great combo of offense and defense. We should still be a contender with this team IMO. KD is still great but he only has so much left in the tank and nothing left in the head so Boston can have him if they want IDC, he's going to collapse if they don't win it next year.
lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.
Fallout_3 wrote:If it was only about the star we get, would you prefer Jaylen Brown, Ingram or Scottie Barnes?
Hello Brooklyn wrote:sogood wrote:Papi_swav wrote:I'm not trading KD unless WE get what WE want. Boston screwed and owned enough teams with their trades , it's time to pay up now, can't always have it their way. They expect us to just take Brown , White and a 1st and they get to keep all of their depth? No way. We need Brown, Smart, Williams and all of their 1sts, not this year but next year and years after that for when KD breaks down, and throw in Pritchard while you're at it or White either or.. If not then keep KD, we have ALL the leverage here. KD is under contract so if Boston really wants him they're going to have to come better than that.
This would definitely be a nice haul for our future and our team right now especially with Kyrie and Simmons here. Great combo of offense and defense. We should still be a contender with this team IMO. KD is still great but he only has so much left in the tank and nothing left in the head so Boston can have him if they want IDC, he's going to collapse if they don't win it next year.
lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.
Here again you pop in with your nonsensical delusion.
Prime MJ would be worth 5x that.