Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[GTR11]

I believe Marks will wait for Beal to make up his decision. In addition it buys us a time to see what type of team we got. No one out there that available really strike me as 100 percent improvement.

[GTR11]

I think we got our teams set for the next year. Prince going to start at the four, Caris at the two and DJ well y'all know the rest.
My thing is, how real is this Pop to BK thing. Tsai been very quiet about direction he wants to go ( not that he talks about it much ). Will he support JV if Pop's transaction fails? To be frank, I don't like any coaches that been linked to us.

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[vincecarter4pres]

I think we got our teams set for the next year. Prince going to start at the four, Caris at the two and DJ well y'all know the rest.
My thing is, how real is this Pop to BK thing. Tsai been very quiet about direction he wants to go ( not that he talks about it much ). Will he support JV if Pop's transaction fails? To be frank, I don't like any coaches that been linked to us.

Highly doubt Prince starts.

If no changes are made it's likely:

Kyrie
Caris
Harris
KD
Fro or Jordan

And they probably also add a ring chasing high impact vet on minimum and if TJ isn't retained for the MLE, they land a guy like Millsap, Melo, Favors, Jeff Green etc. on the Taxpayer's MLE.

And there's a big chance there is either a blockbuster trade, a big trade; and if not, just a trade with a pick or prospect or 2 and Prince outgoing for a guy like Barnes, Norman Powell, Terrence Ross, etc., or a guy like Bates-Diop.

Maybe none of the core young guys like Caris, Dinwiddie or Allen is dealt, but it seems unlikely they don't make a move for a 3&D wing or tweener in some fashion using our spare parts.

[Prokorov]

I think we got our teams set for the next year. Prince going to start at the four, Caris at the two and DJ well y'all know the rest.
My thing is, how real is this Pop to BK thing. Tsai been very quiet about direction he wants to go ( not that he talks about it much ). Will he support JV if Pop's transaction fails? To be frank, I don't like any coaches that been linked to us.

Highly doubt Prince starts.

If no changes are made it's likely:

Kyrie
Caris
Harris
KD
Fro or Jordan

And they probably also add a ring chasing high impact vet on minimum and if TJ isn't retained for the MLE, they land a guy like Millsap, Melo, Favors, Jeff Green etc. on the Taxpayer's MLE.

And there's a big chance there is either a blockbuster trade, a big trade; and if not, just a trade with a pick or prospect or 2 and Prince outgoing for a guy like Barnes, Norman Powell, Terrence Ross, etc., or a guy like Bates-Diop.

Maybe none of the core young guys like Caris, Dinwiddie or Allen is dealt, but it seems unlikely they don't make a move for a 3&D wing or tweener in some fashion using our spare parts.

I cant see how lever starts...its just a bad mix. you would be taking the thing levert does best (on ball scoring) and highlighting what he struggles with most (defending wings). We already would have average defenders with Kyrie/Joe at G/W. Even if levert improved to be an average defender, we really need a stopper 2-way guy.

We also REALLY need an athlete on the floor. Kyrie is an elite athlete and DJ still has some of that left but in between 2-4 spots we would have average or below athletes.

Jrue makes so much sense. if not someone like covington.

[vincecarter4pres]

I think we got our teams set for the next year. Prince going to start at the four, Caris at the two and DJ well y'all know the rest.
My thing is, how real is this Pop to BK thing. Tsai been very quiet about direction he wants to go ( not that he talks about it much ). Will he support JV if Pop's transaction fails? To be frank, I don't like any coaches that been linked to us.

Highly doubt Prince starts.

If no changes are made it's likely:

Kyrie
Caris
Harris
KD
Fro or Jordan

And they probably also add a ring chasing high impact vet on minimum and if TJ isn't retained for the MLE, they land a guy like Millsap, Melo, Favors, Jeff Green etc. on the Taxpayer's MLE.

And there's a big chance there is either a blockbuster trade, a big trade; and if not, just a trade with a pick or prospect or 2 and Prince outgoing for a guy like Barnes, Norman Powell, Terrence Ross, etc., or a guy like Bates-Diop.

Maybe none of the core young guys like Caris, Dinwiddie or Allen is dealt, but it seems unlikely they don't make a move for a 3&D wing or tweener in some fashion using our spare parts.

I cant see how lever starts...its just a bad mix. you would be taking the thing levert does best (on ball scoring) and highlighting what he struggles with most (defending wings). We already would have average defenders with Kyrie/Joe at G/W. Even if levert improved to be an average defender, we really need a stopper 2-way guy.

We also REALLY need an athlete on the floor. Kyrie is an elite athlete and DJ still has some of that left but in between 2-4 spots we would have average or below athletes.

Jrue makes so much sense. if not someone like covington.

I mean I totally agree with you, but I'm just going off what Dinwiddie said on Twitter last week answering a fan's question about who would start next year, him or LeVert. He said LeVert, and in the fashion of that is the plan/word from the coaches and has been. It wasn't just like his personal opinion or him being a good teammate and pumping up Caris.

Now obviously so much can change between now and next season. New coaches, trades, signings, etc., and I'm sure some of these will happen.

But I'm just going off the current roster and staff.

If it were me and the roster didn't change besides losing TJ, I'm going:

Kyrie
Harris
TLC
KD
Allen

Bench:
Dinwiddie
Caris
Cheese
Prince
Rodi
Jordan

Or I'd put Dinwiddie at the starting 2 and bring Harris off the bench with Caris and Jordan as a 3 player unit as my first subs on most nights, with Allen and one of Kyrie, Dinwiddie and TLC getting a rest, then slowly 1 man switch at different stops of play depending on flow, opponent, hot hand, etc.

[DarkXaero]

I mean I totally agree with you, but I'm just going off what Dinwiddie said on Twitter last week answering a fan's question about who would start next year, him or LeVert. He said LeVert, and in the fashion of that is the plan/word from the coaches and has been. It wasn't just like his personal opinion or him being a good teammate and pumping up Caris.

Nah, that is his personal opinion, and he has been super supportive of Caris Levert as the "third star" of this Nets team. He has numerous tweets over a significant period of time saying as such, its not some team directive.

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This has been the case going back to last summer.

[vincecarter4pres]

I mean I totally agree with you, but I'm just going off what Dinwiddie said on Twitter last week answering a fan's question about who would start next year, him or LeVert. He said LeVert, and in the fashion of that is the plan/word from the coaches and has been. It wasn't just like his personal opinion or him being a good teammate and pumping up Caris.

Nah, that is his personal opinion, and he has been super supportive of Caris Levert as the "third star" of this Nets team. He has numerous tweets over a significant period of time saying as such, its not some team directive.

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This has been the case going back to last summer.

I'm not saying he isn't pumping Caris up because he's a good teammate. I'm not saying it isn't also his opinion. But there were a couple other recent Tweets where he pretty much outright said Caris was the starter, it has been the case and that's just how it is(implying that is a coaching/basketball decision and he is completely fine with it).

[ProspectPark]

Here’s how NBAdraft.net described Jrue Holiday before the draft:

Battled inconsistency with his shot all year and it threw the rest of his offensive game off balance … Defenses showed very little respect for his outside shot, daring him to shoot and taking away his driving lanes … His form is a big issue as it throws his stroke off and makes his release inconsistent … He shoots off the side of his head with the shooting elbow way out, as a result his shot is all over the place …He does not have the superb athleticism or strength like many other combo guards … Tends to waste dribbles on the perimeter, killing the flow of the offense because he can be a ball stopper at times …

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jrue-holiday/

Even with him only shooting when he’s wide open, he’s below average. Here are his 3pt percentages the last 5 years:

19-20 = 35.3%
18-19 = 32.5%
17-18 = 33.7%
16-17 = 35.6%
15-16 = 33.6%

On what planet is an undersized guard who can’t shoot but will want $30+ million a good fit for this team? Do we want to turn into the 76ers, where we start start maxing out role players?

If you think Jrue Holiday at $30+ million is a good fit, then we might as well bring Billy King back. That’s a trade Billy King and Elton Brand would love.

[ProspectPark]

I believe Marks will wait for Beal to make up his decision. In addition it buys us a time to see what type of team we got. No one out there that available really strike me as 100 percent improvement.

Bro, Beal has already made up his mind. What more do you need to hear from him that he does not want to leave Washington?

Even if he wanted out, there’s 20 teams that could offer more than we can. Beal just finished 2nd in scoring at 30 points per game. No one is trading him for LeVert and some role players.

Also don’t you think we have enough scoring between KD, Kyrie, and Harris? If anything, we should look to improve our defense. Adding more offense just becomes redundant after a certain point. Whatever Beal gives you on offense, he gives it back on the other end.

[vincecarter4pres]

Here’s how NBAdraft.net described Jrue Holiday before the draft:

Battled inconsistency with his shot all year and it threw the rest of his offensive game off balance … Defenses showed very little respect for his outside shot, daring him to shoot and taking away his driving lanes … His form is a big issue as it throws his stroke off and makes his release inconsistent … He shoots off the side of his head with the shooting elbow way out, as a result his shot is all over the place …He does not have the superb athleticism or strength like many other combo guards … Tends to waste dribbles on the perimeter, killing the flow of the offense because he can be a ball stopper at times …

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jrue-holiday/

Even with him only shooting when he’s wide open, he’s below average. Here are his 3pt percentages the last 5 years:

19-20 = 35.3%
18-19 = 32.5%
17-18 = 33.7%
16-17 = 35.6%
15-16 = 33.6%

On what planet is an undersized guard who can’t shoot but will want $30+ million a good fit for this team? Do we want to turn into the 76ers, where we start start maxing out role players?

If you think Jrue Holiday at $30+ million is a good fit, then we might as well bring Billy King back. That’s a trade Billy King and Elton Brand would love.

LOL @ using a scouting report from literally 12 to 13 years ago as evidence against a proven All Star level, athletic, All NBA defensive, 1-3 and sometimes 4 position guardable, successful on-ball, off-ball high IQ team player, with 2 or 3 seasons of full on prime left.

I don't think anyone has advertised him as a dead eye shooter, but in a 3rd to 7th option role, depending on lineup, he is a proven solid outside shooter and he's great in transition and offball cuts and then finishing.

He also has 7 years around 36 to 39%, which admittedly was mainly on lower attempts, but was also when he was shooting a lot more off ball and had the luxury of better shot selection.

I haven't heard he wants $30+ million either. Around what he's getting now, extended out to turn his 1+1 into a 3+1 would seem likely.

Jrue is the still prime Al Horford of guards, like when Horford inked that huge contract with Boston at 30 and a lot of people are like whoa, but then he was still excellent for those 3 seasons.

[DarkXaero]

I mean I totally agree with you, but I'm just going off what Dinwiddie said on Twitter last week answering a fan's question about who would start next year, him or LeVert. He said LeVert, and in the fashion of that is the plan/word from the coaches and has been. It wasn't just like his personal opinion or him being a good teammate and pumping up Caris.

Nah, that is his personal opinion, and he has been super supportive of Caris Levert as the "third star" of this Nets team. He has numerous tweets over a significant period of time saying as such, its not some team directive.

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This has been the case going back to last summer.

I'm not saying he isn't pumping Caris up because he's a good teammate. I'm not saying it isn't also his opinion. But there were a couple other recent Tweets where he pretty much outright said Caris was the starter, it has been the case and that's just how it is(implying that is a coaching/basketball decision and he is completely fine with it).

I don't think that's something that he would be privy to right now, especially with all the trade possibilities in the offseason. I'll be very surprised if we start next season with both Dinwiddie and Levert still on the team.

[DarkXaero]

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That's the first person from Spurs side (ex Spurs but still has connects for sure) commenting on Pop to BK rumors.

[DarkXaero]

Here’s how NBAdraft.net described Jrue Holiday before the draft:

Battled inconsistency with his shot all year and it threw the rest of his offensive game off balance … Defenses showed very little respect for his outside shot, daring him to shoot and taking away his driving lanes … His form is a big issue as it throws his stroke off and makes his release inconsistent … He shoots off the side of his head with the shooting elbow way out, as a result his shot is all over the place …He does not have the superb athleticism or strength like many other combo guards … Tends to waste dribbles on the perimeter, killing the flow of the offense because he can be a ball stopper at times …

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jrue-holiday/

Even with him only shooting when he’s wide open, he’s below average. Here are his 3pt percentages the last 5 years:

19-20 = 35.3%
18-19 = 32.5%
17-18 = 33.7%
16-17 = 35.6%
15-16 = 33.6%

On what planet is an undersized guard who can’t shoot but will want $30+ million a good fit for this team? Do we want to turn into the 76ers, where we start start maxing out role players?

If you think Jrue Holiday at $30+ million is a good fit, then we might as well bring Billy King back. That’s a trade Billy King and Elton Brand would love.

LOL @ using a scouting report from literally 12 to 13 years ago as evidence against a proven All Star level, athletic, All NBA defensive, 1-3 and sometimes 4 position guardable, successful on-ball, off-ball high IQ team player, with 2 or 3 seasons of full on prime left.

I don't think anyone has advertised him as a dead eye shooter, but in a 3rd to 7th option role, depending on lineup, he is a proven solid outside shooter and he's great in transition and offball cuts and then finishing.

He also has 7 years around 36 to 39%, which admittedly was mainly on lower attempts, but was also when he was shooting a lot more off ball and had the luxury of better shot selection.

I haven't heard he wants $30+ million either. Around what he's getting now, extended out to turn his 1+1 into a 3+1 would seem likely.

Jrue is the still prime Al Horford of guards, like when Horford inked that huge contract with Boston at 30 and a lot of people are like whoa, but then he was still excellent for those 3 seasons.

Also wanna point out that Jrue shot 36% on catch & shoot 3s, which isn't great by any means, but respectable. Jrue isn't a great shooter, and can definitely be a bit inconsistent but he's good enough offensively that teams aren't going to treat him like a scrub/weak link. It's the same thing with Dinwiddie to an extent, who shot a low % from 3 this year, but teams still didn't sag off him.

[ProspectPark]

Here’s how NBAdraft.net described Jrue Holiday before the draft:

Battled inconsistency with his shot all year and it threw the rest of his offensive game off balance … Defenses showed very little respect for his outside shot, daring him to shoot and taking away his driving lanes … His form is a big issue as it throws his stroke off and makes his release inconsistent … He shoots off the side of his head with the shooting elbow way out, as a result his shot is all over the place …He does not have the superb athleticism or strength like many other combo guards … Tends to waste dribbles on the perimeter, killing the flow of the offense because he can be a ball stopper at times …

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jrue-holiday/

Even with him only shooting when he’s wide open, he’s below average. Here are his 3pt percentages the last 5 years:

19-20 = 35.3%
18-19 = 32.5%
17-18 = 33.7%
16-17 = 35.6%
15-16 = 33.6%

On what planet is an undersized guard who can’t shoot but will want $30+ million a good fit for this team? Do we want to turn into the 76ers, where we start start maxing out role players?

If you think Jrue Holiday at $30+ million is a good fit, then we might as well bring Billy King back. That’s a trade Billy King and Elton Brand would love.

LOL @ using a scouting report from literally 12 to 13 years ago as evidence against a proven All Star level, athletic, All NBA defensive, 1-3 and sometimes 4 position guardable, successful on-ball, off-ball high IQ team player, with 2 or 3 seasons of full on prime left.

I don't think anyone has advertised him as a dead eye shooter, but in a 3rd to 7th option role, depending on lineup, he is a proven solid outside shooter and he's great in transition and offball cuts and then finishing.

He also has 7 years around 36 to 39%, which admittedly was mainly on lower attempts, but was also when he was shooting a lot more off ball and had the luxury of better shot selection.

I haven't heard he wants $30+ million either. Around what he's getting now, extended out to turn his 1+1 into a 3+1 would seem likely.

Jrue is the still prime Al Horford of guards, like when Horford inked that huge contract with Boston at 30 and a lot of people are like whoa, but then he was still excellent for those 3 seasons.

Unless you want to become Philly 2.0, you don’t pay $30+ million on a role player. You just said he might be the 7th option and yet you want to spend $30 million on him? Huh?

And no, Holiday has never been a good shooter. Teams routinely leave him open. He can’t even make simple free throws. 70% this year.

The whole league is laughing at the 6’ers right now for the Horford/Tobias contracts. You were someone who advocated we trade for both so I’m not sure it’s even worth discussing.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I believe Marks will wait for Beal to make up his decision. In addition it buys us a time to see what type of team we got. No one out there that available really strike me as 100 percent improvement.

Bro, Beal has already made up his mind. What more do you need to hear from him that he does not want to leave Washington?

Even if he wanted out, there’s 20 teams that could offer more than we can. Beal just finished 2nd in scoring at 30 points per game. No one is trading him for LeVert and some role players.

Also don’t you think we have enough scoring between KD, Kyrie, and Harris? If anything, we should look to improve our defense. Adding more offense just becomes redundant after a certain point. Whatever Beal gives you on offense, he gives it back on the other end.

Beal is not getting traded. People need to give it up.

Kevin O'Connor also said recently on a podcast that hes spoken to people and Beal + Wall are set on trying to make it work next season.

Beal had the perfect chance to demand a trade last year. He specifically chose to extend with the Wizards. Why would he all of a sudden just change his mind and demand to play for the Nets? It makes no sense.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think the Pop thing is real.

The Spurs are likely going to rebuild and will not contend anytime soon.

Why would Pop want to spend the end of his career coaching a bunch of kids?

Either he retires or gives it one last go to win a Championship.

With all the being said, I'm not convinced hes the right coach for this team. Are KD/Kyrie really going to buy into what he says and his system? Will they give him that authority?

It might be better to just go for a player friendly type like Ty Lue.

[DarkXaero]

Y'all naive if you think that Beal is staying in DC long-term. He has another season there max, before realizing that the Wizards situation is **** and can't be salvaged. He signed a short extension for a reason too. Whether its here or somewhere else, he'll end up playing for another team. And there aren't 20 teams out there with better packages/situation, and that doesn't matter anyway. Beal holds the leverage and if he says that "I'll only re-sign with this list of teams", only those teams will go after him. There's a reason why AD ended up with the Lakers.

[vincecarter4pres]

I believe Marks will wait for Beal to make up his decision. In addition it buys us a time to see what type of team we got. No one out there that available really strike me as 100 percent improvement.

Bro, Beal has already made up his mind. What more do you need to hear from him that he does not want to leave Washington?

Idk man, this is the same spiel we hear every time before a star player is dealt. There were also a couple articles/interviews were he expounded on what it would be like playing here and with KD/Kyrie and he certainly got excited.

This all sounds like Paul George, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook stuff. And hell, in Westbrook's case, he didn't ever really want to be dealt either, but he signed off on it once the destination was favorable.

Even if he wanted out, there’s 20 teams that could offer more than we can. Beal just finished 2nd in scoring at 30 points per game. No one is trading him for LeVert and some role players.

This is totally and entirely irrelevant. Star players are going to be traded to where they want to be traded. If Washington wants to trade him, he's going to have no choice but to get involved to ensure he winds up in a spot he likes, similar to Westbrook. So Beal doesn't even have to force his way out, Washington might just want to part ways.

And first of all, 20 teams do not have a better package then us.

Maybe 8 do.

Maybe 4 of 8 of those have zero desire to trade for Beal.

Maybe 3 of the remaining 4 Beal has no desire to play for. Cross them off.

You're looking at maybe 2 or 3 teams Beal would probably be willing to go to who have similar to better packages then us.

If he's cool with Minny and they'll give up the 1st overall, there's them. If Philly got involved and dealt Simmons to Minny, maybe Beal would be good with the Sixers.

If GSW wanted him, the 2nd is better.

Maybe Atlanta would deal the 6 and Hunter for him, or Huerter, the 6 and future pick(s) and Beal likes the idea of that.

Other than that, I either see teams with a worse package then us or teams Beal would be a grouchy mess on, who would because of this never deal for him.

Also don’t you think we have enough scoring between KD, Kyrie, and Harris? If anything, we should look to improve our defense. Adding more offense just becomes redundant after a certain point. Whatever Beal gives you on offense, he gives it back on the other end.

So why not Jrue then, figuring it would only take one of LeVert or Dinwiddie and a pick or 2 to get him?

[vincecarter4pres]

Y'all naive if you think that Beal is staying in DC long-term. He has another season there max, before realizing that the Wizards situation is **** and can't be salvaged. He signed a short extension for a reason too. Whether its here or somewhere else, he'll end up playing for another team. And there aren't 20 teams out there with better packages/situation, and that doesn't matter anyway. Beal holds the leverage and if he says that "I'll only re-sign with this list of teams", only those teams will go after him. There's a reason why AD ended up with the Lakers.

This.

We see it every time and yet every time it happens again, people are in complete denial, it truly baffles me.

And just like you said, doesn't mean he winds up here, but how fans think he'll be good in Washington is beyond me.

[ProspectPark]

Y'all naive if you think that Beal is staying in DC long-term. He has another season there max, before realizing that the Wizards situation is **** and can't be salvaged. He signed a short extension for a reason too. Whether its here or somewhere else, he'll end up playing for another team. And there aren't 20 teams out there with better packages/situation, and that doesn't matter anyway. Beal holds the leverage and if he says that "I'll only re-sign with this list of teams", only those teams will go after him. There's a reason why AD ended up with the Lakers.

This.

We see it every time and yet every time it happens again, people are in complete denial, it truly baffles me.

And just like you said, doesn't mean he winds up here, but how fans think he'll be good in Washington is beyond me.

Kyrie didn’t want to go to Boston. Guess where he was sent? Boston.

Kawhi didn’t want to go to Toronto. He wanted LA. Guess where he ended up? Toronto.

Chris Paul wanted to play with Kobe in LA. Where was he sent? To the Clippers.

Paul George wanted to go to LA because he wanted to be close to his mom. Where was he sent? Oklahoma City.

Can you explain this?