Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade; UPDATE: KD wants Sean Marks/Nash fired - Shams

[MrDollarBills]

I'm firmly in team trade Durant.

There is no shot we contend this year with this mess.

Yes we have the talent. KD/Kyrie are headcases. And Simmons is not far off.

Its not going to be a winning environment with all this drama.

If Boston gives me Jaylen, Smart and 3 draft picks I'm in. I would even consider passing on the pick swaps.

Jaylen has had to be in Tatum's shadow for too long. I firmly believe he can be a star player. And he fits in well with Simmons.

Give us a few years and some player development. We can be real contenders again.

Yep. Durant and Irving are only winners when paired with elite talent that knows how to win. Without Steph or LeBron to babysit them, they're losers.

I'd rather trade for Brown and Smart, pair 'em with Simmons and rework this roster into a younger, exciting team that has room to develop and grow. We would also have assets to trade for another piece that can compliment them.

If we could flip Kyrie to the Lakers in a 3 team deal with Indy and land Myles Turner, we could have a 5 of

Turner/Simmons/Brown/Harris/Smart
Claxton/Warren/O'Neale/Curry/Mills
Sharpe/Edwards/Thomas/Sumner/Duke Jr


That team on paper is solid and versatile. It gives Jaylen Brown the daylight to be a 1st option scorer and puts 4 guys who can shoot around Ben Simmons.

Enough of these games with KD and Irving.

[torturedsoulv1]

I would be stunned if Durant/Irving are on the team once the season starts. But, less stunned than I would have been when KD made his trade demand. Figured, they’d both be gone within days.

[Papi_swav]

I'm not trading KD unless WE get what WE want. Boston screwed and owned enough teams with their trades , it's time to pay up now, can't always have it their way. They expect us to just take Brown , White and a 1st and they get to keep all of their depth? No way. We need Brown, Smart, Williams and all of their 1sts, not this year but next year and years after that for when KD breaks down, and throw in Pritchard while you're at it or White either or.. If not then keep KD, we have ALL the leverage here. KD is under contract so if Boston really wants him they're going to have to come better than that.

This would definitely be a nice haul for our future and our team right now especially with Kyrie and Simmons here. Great combo of offense and defense. We should still be a contender with this team IMO. KD is still great but he only has so much left in the tank and nothing left in the head so Boston can have him if they want IDC, he's going to collapse if they don't win it next year.

lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.

IDk what's so delusional about this, it's literally just a piece or 2 more than the original trade. KD still has a couple years left as an unstoppable offensive player. Remember, YOU guys called the Nets for KD not the other way around , so clearly you guys are the ones that want him and is willing to trade Brown and pieces for him. You can't stiff everybody in a trade now, I know you're entitled and feel that way but you can't have everything you want now.

[sogood]

I'm not trading KD unless WE get what WE want. Boston screwed and owned enough teams with their trades , it's time to pay up now, can't always have it their way. They expect us to just take Brown , White and a 1st and they get to keep all of their depth? No way. We need Brown, Smart, Williams and all of their 1sts, not this year but next year and years after that for when KD breaks down, and throw in Pritchard while you're at it or White either or.. If not then keep KD, we have ALL the leverage here. KD is under contract so if Boston really wants him they're going to have to come better than that.

This would definitely be a nice haul for our future and our team right now especially with Kyrie and Simmons here. Great combo of offense and defense. We should still be a contender with this team IMO. KD is still great but he only has so much left in the tank and nothing left in the head so Boston can have him if they want IDC, he's going to collapse if they don't win it next year.

lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.

IDk what's so delusional about this, it's literally just a piece or 2 more than the original trade. KD still has a couple years left as an unstoppable offensive player. Remember, YOU guys called the Nets for KD not the other way around , so clearly you guys are the ones that want him and is willing to trade Brown and pieces for him. You can't stiff everybody in a trade now, I know you're entitled and feel that way but you can't have everything you want now.

It's literally not. Original offer was Brown, White, and a first rounder.

You're adding the defensive player of the year, Robert Williams, and multiple first round picks.



btw I'm not a Celtics fan, I hate them tbh and even I feel your proposal is laughable for them.

[GTR11]

lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.

IDk what's so delusional about this, it's literally just a piece or 2 more than the original trade. KD still has a couple years left as an unstoppable offensive player. Remember, YOU guys called the Nets for KD not the other way around , so clearly you guys are the ones that want him and is willing to trade Brown and pieces for him. You can't stiff everybody in a trade now, I know you're entitled and feel that way but you can't have everything you want now.

It's literally not. Original offer was Brown, White, and a first rounder.

You're adding the defensive player of the year, Robert Williams, and multiple first round picks.



btw I'm not a Celtics fan, I hate them tbh and even I feel your proposal is laughable for them.

The GM who build that team already been fired. His protege set ticking bomb. You really need to step back and chill with the statements you make. Brad wouldn't be calling Marks for no reason.

[Shark]

lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.

IDk what's so delusional about this, it's literally just a piece or 2 more than the original trade. KD still has a couple years left as an unstoppable offensive player. Remember, YOU guys called the Nets for KD not the other way around , so clearly you guys are the ones that want him and is willing to trade Brown and pieces for him. You can't stiff everybody in a trade now, I know you're entitled and feel that way but you can't have everything you want now.

It's literally not. Original offer was Brown, White, and a first rounder.

You're adding the defensive player of the year, Robert Williams, and multiple first round picks.



btw I'm not a Celtics fan, I hate them tbh and even I feel your proposal is laughable for them.

I thought it was Grant Williams not Robert WIlliams. That's who we've been talking about for the most part. I think most of us are rational enough to know that the Celtics aren't giving up both Brown and Timelord in a trade for an old and increasingly injury prone KD. I would think that they' include less picks if they added Smart and Grant instead of White though. Hell they only had one draft pick included in their rumored proposal.

[torturedsoulv1]

Durant for Brown and 3 first rounders seems to be what most Nets fans were expecting. Well plus whatever the Celtics would have to add to make the salaries match. They’re not getting Brown and Smart. I wish they could, but they won’t.

[3pt_chucker]

Brown + White + G. Williams + picks is probably the best deal as of right now.

The only team I think can beat that is the Pels because of Ingram and the treasure trove of picks they have.

Maybe the Raptors but no way they trade their future in Barnes. Pascal + OG is not good enough IMO.

PHX pr Miami can't come close.

Warriors prob won't give up all their assets.

Grizzlies could put together a really good package but it doesn't really match their timeline, plus JJJ just got surgery.

Denver wants to see how their healthy team looks first

Wolves blew their load for Gobert.

[MrDollarBills]

Brown + White + G. Williams + picks is probably the best deal as of right now.

The only team I think can beat that is the Pels because of Ingram and the treasure trove of picks they have.

Maybe the Raptors but no way they trade their future in Barnes. Pascal + OG is not good enough IMO.

PHX pr Miami can't come close.

Warriors prob won't give up all their assets.

Grizzlies could put together a really good package but it doesn't really match their timeline, plus JJJ just got surgery.

Denver wants to see how their healthy team looks first

Wolves blew their load for Gobert.

I'm fine with that package too if we can reroute White elsewhere.

[TheNetsFan]

The Celtics opening offer is a guy that has a very good chance at walking out on Boston in 2024, a guy that is expensive and very redundant after the Brogdon trade and a first. That deal is a no brainer for them, but they also knew it wasn't enough.

I think Marks wants relatively clean books in 2024, e.g. Ben+Brown's cap hold and little else. White doesn't make sense and could be moderately difficult to move in two years. Smart is a safer bet, but I think Horford's expiring or Grant Williams+Pritchard make the most sense for us as the extra salary for matching. Brown+GWilliams+Pritchard+3 picks+2 swaps or Brown+Horford+5picks would be my ask if they want to keep Smart.

[Riconet]

My 2 cents:

- I would trade KD for Brown, Smart and picks, but not for Brown, other guys and picks. If I'm not getting Brown and Smart, I'm waiting at least until training camp starts to see if someone comes up with a better offer. Zach Lowe mentioned on his podcast that he thinks this is what the Nets will do -- i.e. they will wait to get the offer they want, and will not settle at this point in the offseason.

- I do not think the Celtics will include Brown and Smart in a trade for KD, so I don't think it's going to happen.

- If KD is traded, I do not think Kyrie suits up for the Nets next year. They will either trade him for whatever they can get or just pay him to stay home. They are done with his BS, although they might be tempted to keep him around for the pleasure of watching Smart throw him out of practice every day.

- If KD is not traded, it's still quite possible that Kyrie is not on the Nets next year. They do not want anything to do with him, although they might have him back if KD agrees to come back on the condition that Kyrie is given another chance.

[steefP2]

My 2 cents:

- I would trade KD for Brown, Smart and picks, but not for Brown, other guys and picks. If I'm not getting Brown and Smart, I'm waiting at least until training camp starts to see if someone comes up with a better offer. Zach Lowe mentioned on his podcast that he thinks this is what the Nets will do -- i.e. they will wait to get the offer they want, and will not settle at this point in the offseason.

- I do not think the Celtics will include Brown and Smart in a trade for KD, so I don't think it's going to happen.

- If KD is traded, I do not think Kyrie suits up for the Nets next year. They will either trade him for whatever they can get or just pay him to stay home. They are done with his BS, although they might be tempted to keep him around for the pleasure of watching Smart throw him out of practice every day.

- If KD is not traded, it's still quite possible that Kyrie is not on the Nets next year. They do not want anything to do with him, although they might have him back if KD agrees to come back on the condition that Kyrie is given another chance.

As a Celtics fan I agree wholeheartedly with your top 2 points. Nets should want smart and brown but I don’t think that’s ever happen. Ultimately teams (including the nets) will wait for training camp to see what happens and act accordingly from there. I understand wanting a haul for KD but that’s looking unlikely. KD not saying he’d be good with being traded to Boston also probably keeps the Boston offer lower then you guys want.

[MrDollarBills]

My 2 cents:

- I would trade KD for Brown, Smart and picks, but not for Brown, other guys and picks. If I'm not getting Brown and Smart, I'm waiting at least until training camp starts to see if someone comes up with a better offer. Zach Lowe mentioned on his podcast that he thinks this is what the Nets will do -- i.e. they will wait to get the offer they want, and will not settle at this point in the offseason.

- I do not think the Celtics will include Brown and Smart in a trade for KD, so I don't think it's going to happen.

- If KD is traded, I do not think Kyrie suits up for the Nets next year. They will either trade him for whatever they can get or just pay him to stay home. They are done with his BS, although they might be tempted to keep him around for the pleasure of watching Smart throw him out of practice every day.

- If KD is not traded, it's still quite possible that Kyrie is not on the Nets next year. They do not want anything to do with him, although they might have him back if KD agrees to come back on the condition that Kyrie is given another chance.

As a Celtics fan I agree wholeheartedly with your top 2 points. Nets should want smart and brown but I don’t think that’s ever happen. Ultimately teams (including the nets) will wait for training camp to see what happens and act accordingly from there. I understand wanting a haul for KD but that’s looking unlikely. KD not saying he’d be good with being traded to Boston also probably keeps the Boston offer lower then you guys want.

Are you averse to trading Grant Williams?

[steefP2]

My 2 cents:

- I would trade KD for Brown, Smart and picks, but not for Brown, other guys and picks. If I'm not getting Brown and Smart, I'm waiting at least until training camp starts to see if someone comes up with a better offer. Zach Lowe mentioned on his podcast that he thinks this is what the Nets will do -- i.e. they will wait to get the offer they want, and will not settle at this point in the offseason.

- I do not think the Celtics will include Brown and Smart in a trade for KD, so I don't think it's going to happen.

- If KD is traded, I do not think Kyrie suits up for the Nets next year. They will either trade him for whatever they can get or just pay him to stay home. They are done with his BS, although they might be tempted to keep him around for the pleasure of watching Smart throw him out of practice every day.

- If KD is not traded, it's still quite possible that Kyrie is not on the Nets next year. They do not want anything to do with him, although they might have him back if KD agrees to come back on the condition that Kyrie is given another chance.

As a Celtics fan I agree wholeheartedly with your top 2 points. Nets should want smart and brown but I don’t think that’s ever happen. Ultimately teams (including the nets) will wait for training camp to see what happens and act accordingly from there. I understand wanting a haul for KD but that’s looking unlikely. KD not saying he’d be good with being traded to Boston also probably keeps the Boston offer lower then you guys want.

Are you averse to trading Grant Williams?

He’s not a dealbreaker lets say. I’d prefer avoiding it but you know its still KD… if we’re trading Jaylen grant and white though ? I’d throw in an extra pick or swap to get curry back too but that might be too greedy. Tbh I think both franchises are gonna be too “greedy” for a deal to be struck. Nets justifiably want a haul and Celtics don’t wanna compromise a title contender too much. I’d rather give picks over players personally outside of salary matching tbh

[MrDollarBills]

As a Celtics fan I agree wholeheartedly with your top 2 points. Nets should want smart and brown but I don’t think that’s ever happen. Ultimately teams (including the nets) will wait for training camp to see what happens and act accordingly from there. I understand wanting a haul for KD but that’s looking unlikely. KD not saying he’d be good with being traded to Boston also probably keeps the Boston offer lower then you guys want.

Are you averse to trading Grant Williams?

He’s not a dealbreaker lets say. I’d prefer avoiding it but you know its still KD… if we’re trading Jaylen grant and white though ? I’d throw in an extra pick or swap to get curry back too but that might be too greedy. Tbh I think both franchises are gonna be too “greedy” for a deal to be struck. Nets justifiably want a haul and Celtics don’t wanna compromise a title contender too much. I’d rather give picks over players personally outside of salary matching tbh

Ah that's cool. I would be open to trading Seth if it meant another pick was coming.

I just said this on your board to MagicBagley, but if I were you I'd be very concerned that Brad is about to make a huge mistake. KD's fragile mental state, fragile health, and his aging is a bad mix. He couldn't even dribble by Al Horford without turning the ball over and he was easily rattled by your defense. I don't think any of those things are a fluke.

[Papi_swav]

lmao the delusion. This is a post achilles injury 34 year old Durant, not prime Michael Jordan.

IDk what's so delusional about this, it's literally just a piece or 2 more than the original trade. KD still has a couple years left as an unstoppable offensive player. Remember, YOU guys called the Nets for KD not the other way around , so clearly you guys are the ones that want him and is willing to trade Brown and pieces for him. You can't stiff everybody in a trade now, I know you're entitled and feel that way but you can't have everything you want now.

It's literally not. Original offer was Brown, White, and a first rounder.

You're adding the defensive player of the year, Robert Williams, and multiple first round picks.



btw I'm not a Celtics fan, I hate them tbh and even I feel your proposal is laughable for them.

Not Robert Williams, Grant Williams. And that first offer is only thing laughable here. 1 pick for a top 5 offensive player? and White is not a needle mover.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Full Disclosure: Not a Brooklyn fan or a fan of any team involved in current Brooklyn player discussions ... a lifelong Blazers fan.

Good luck, Brooklyn fans. I genuinely wish that for you. Though I like what Simmons has done early in his career, hopefully you can sell Toronto on him. They have plenty of swings and forwards. Kyrie fits on the Lakers. Kaboom. Westbrook as filler for a trade with draft picks being the lure for Indy? Wow. And KD is a rare talent and Boston makes sense both for going to a contender AND the Nets getting Brown, plus. I hope your rebuild or renovation or reboot or whatever it will be gets going and goes as smoothly as possible.

[As a basketball fan, I'd rather see Lebron and KD switch places and call it good ... with a non-enforceable stipulation that they have to stay there for the rest of their careers or go to the worst teams in the League. I like KD plenty. Lebron? Not really a fan.]

[gigantes]

Are you averse to trading Grant Williams?

He’s not a dealbreaker lets say. I’d prefer avoiding it but you know its still KD… if we’re trading Jaylen grant and white though ? I’d throw in an extra pick or swap to get curry back too but that might be too greedy. Tbh I think both franchises are gonna be too “greedy” for a deal to be struck. Nets justifiably want a haul and Celtics don’t wanna compromise a title contender too much. I’d rather give picks over players personally outside of salary matching tbh

Ah that's cool. I would be open to trading Seth if it meant another pick was coming.

I just said this on your board to MagicBagley, but if I were you I'd be very concerned that Brad is about to make a huge mistake. KD's fragile mental state, fragile health, and his aging is a bad mix. He couldn't even dribble by Al Horford without turning the ball over and he was easily rattled by your defense. I don't think any of those things are a fluke.

Fair, but also..

I'm really not quite sure WHAT conclusions to draw about KD's Boston performance at this point. Is it "indicative," or moreso based on how useless Kyrie was, how we were missing our #3 & #4-best players (Simmons & Harris, all apologies to the super-awesome Bruce Brown, who I badly miss already), and of course, to Boston's superb, versatile defense?

Also, let's not forget that Durant insisted that the standard Nets' offense was basically him (or Kyrie) bailing the situation out, but he also (foolishly IMO) played way more season minutes than he should have, and did a sh-tty job of empowering the team to score in other ways. By comparison, even Michael Jordan, sociopath as he might have been, was way smart enough to know that you can only the carry the load so much, and you can't make it too obvious where the scoring threat's going to come from. (SIDE NOTE: man, could we do a Kyrie for Pippen trade?)

So as the saying goes, "f-ck around and find out."

Point is-- I think there's an argument that KD kinda set himself up to underperform, and that doesn't necessarily indicate a decline. At least... not *yet*. For example, dude's season stats are borderline-MVP level, even though his injury (caused by another player pushing a teammate in to him), kept him out of the convo.

EDIT: One of the strangest thing about this whole shebang is that any KD&KI apologist (where Proky at?!) can *still* say "if we'd only had Harris or Simmons we'd have taken the East." or "if Harden & Kyrie weren't both injured, we arguably take the title." And they're not wrong..!

Trying to properly consider all this shizzle is like... a cognitive tightrope at times. It's wild.

[MagicBagley18]

Personally I don’t take too much away from KD performing bad in the playoffs. He had been playing ridiculous minutes the whole last month of the season just to make the playoffs and then was going up a really really good defense. Tatum had a terrible finals because he was tired and going up against a great defense - it happens.

KD still had a ridiculous season and before injury was an mvp front runner

[MGrand15]

I don't really take anything from KD's playoff performance. Boston rattled him. It happens. We're talking about a 4 game sample size against the best defense in the league. On the court, I have no doubt he's an elite player. But if he doesn't want to hold players accountable as a leader - and has a big problem with the organization / coaches holding players accountable - it's just not going to work here.