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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1021 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:36 am

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed Ed gifts us Evan Turner and which will turn me into a giddy school girl getting ased to prom by the captain of the football team.


I don't know about that, but then again, I was a captain of the football team, :lol: .

This is my guess:

Philly is gonna shop #2 to a team that wants Turner bad. They'll see if they can unload a bad contract or upgrade in another position as well in the process. I think they'll end up picking a player in the end instead of trading, but I believe they'll try.

As for us, Turner won't work out for us. Maybe that will change now because of this trade. If he's there at 3, I want him. You know though that if Minny is that high on him or in that bad of a need for a SF that they'd take Wes Johnson at #4, you HAVE to think it's not out of the realm of possibilities that we can get #3/filler (too lazy to think about it) for #4/Rights to Rubio.


I don't see them giving up Rubio, in any trade, unless it was for John Wall. Their whole franchise is hanging in the balance with Rubio, and whether it's deserved or not, he's their franchise player, the person they're going to build around. I can't see them giving him up unless a true star is coming their way.



I agree with you about Rubio. Right until the moment of true desperation that his agent says...look...time is up. Trade his rights out of Minnesota or he is staying overseas. And here is a list of teams we are interested in. I respect them for standing their ground. its not right when agents pull this crap. But it happens and the league has never seemd to care about doing something about it.


So....I wish them luck with this...but sooner or later they may end deciding to make a save face move and take something they can bank on. That's why i said offer Devin as part of the deal. Still wont move them if I hafd to guess but its hard to believe they wouldnt consider it more than than a year ago.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1022 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:53 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:I have this feeling...
Philly takes Favors at #2, then trades Thad Young and Speights for the 8th overall pick, drafts Paul George or Xavier Henry and puts Iggy back at his proper position of small forward...



Ok back to this. Just read something that was very interesting to me. Something subtle in the midst of reading about Wes Johnson's workout today. In one of the article, it said that Wes Johnson was invited to come work out in Philly today....and he was proud to be considered at 2...something like that.

Now, think about that. He was invited today. After Philly makes a deal to acquire Noc and Hawes and shipped out Daly. No way in hell Wes Person is going 2nd in this draft. If you want a perimeter guy and you have the 2nd pick you are taking Turner. You want a big you take one of Favors or Cousins. So why work him out? To me? its a sign of what moves they are considering.

Trade with Minny? #2 and Brand for Love and #4? Minny gets Turner, We take Favors...now Philly is choosing between Cousins and Wes. Twolves have the cap room to help them out on Brand. Is it worth it for them? Do they love Turner that much?

Or could there be another deal wiht the Kings? Or Detroit? Draft Cousins and trade him during the draft to one of them? Cousins goes second...Wes drops to at least 5.

I just find it intereting they are working these guys out. Have a hard time picturing them simply just letting Turner drop to us and them not trying to get some interest out of the deal.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1023 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:13 am

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Post#1024 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:21 am

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010-nba-draft-centers

Hit the link for the rest of the centers...but I thought this was a fair evaluation of Cosuins situation and teams he could be looking at....

2010 NBA Draft: Centers
By Adi Joseph
Thu, 06/17/2010 - 8:41pm
It took about five years for Kendrick Perkins to make his impact for the Boston Celtics.

The Texan was the typical prep-to-pro center, not at all ready physically or mentally for the rigors of the NBA when he entered the league at 18 years old. Slowly, he developed into one of the toughest players in the league, a physical force who nullifies the best post players in the league on a regular basis.

Perkins absense looms large over Boston for today's Game 7 of the NBA Finals. With him, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum could expect to be roughed up inside by Boston. Without him, the Celtics look a bit softer and a lot shorter.

You can't teach size. Perkins – and, for that matter, fellow prep-to-pro Bynum – was raw and inconsistent when he entered the league. He was immature. But he had the type of broad shoulders and tall frame necessary to anchor the middle of a championship defense.


DeMarcus CousinsIf you've got Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, your team can afford to start Luc Longley at center. If not, any hope of a title comes with a legit big man attached. He doesn't need to be a star, or even offense-capable. But be it Tim Duncan or Ben Wallace, Gasol or Perkins, in the NBA, size matters.

The 2010 NBA Draft is, as a recent feature noted, loaded with forwards. There's this absurdly talented point guard guy that's supposed to go pretty high in the draft, too. And there are quite a few skilled scorers on the wings.

The lacking position is the most important in basketball: the center. Just four centers appear to be lottery prospects, none likely for the top-three spots in the draft. After that wave, it's not clear another true center will be picked in the first round.

Making the situation even more unique, each of the top four center prospects has a clear set of strengths, weaknesses and concerns. As a result, DeMarcus Cousins, Cole Aldrich, Hassan Whiteside and Daniel Orton have volatile stocks.

While Cousins looks like a sure-fire top-10 pick, he could go as high as fourth or as low as ninth. Aldrich could slip into the top eight or fall to the low teens. As far as Whiteside and Orton – opinions on the two freshmen vary so much each has been reported as a possibility to Detroit at No. 7 but could slip all the way out of the top 20.

At the top of the draft, it's wise to pick the best player available. Still, each of these particular center prospects should be evaluated in part based on fit, alongside their readiness and potential.

DeMarcus Cousins, 6-foot-11, 292-pound Kentucky freshman

The biggest elite prospect in this class is probably also its most criticized. Despite his thick, sturdy frame and great knack for scoring and rebounding around the basket, Cousins has drawn the ire of those curious about his background and personality. It's tough to know what to say about the anger issues rumored about this kid since he was in high school. We don't know the facts, but it's understandable that red flags would be raised in the minds of teams about to commit millions of dollars and a high pick to a 19-year-old.

What we can evaluate is his performance on the court. Cousins can be a dominant force, but he can also be domineering. When Kentucky was operating at its free-wheeling best, Cousins often was relagated to secondary status in the offense. Ten years ago, the NBA was played at a much slower pace than it is now, and the hulking big man was in fashion. Today, teams built for speed will not want to wait up for a player like Cousins, despite his potential.

In addition, Cousins' defense was half-hearted at best. He proved a rebounding machine but played lackadaisically in post defense and fouled too often when going for shot blocks. These are common mistakes for a young center, but if teachability is a concern, they could be far-reaching.

As a result, a team that picks Cousins will need to be committed to him. He may not take kindly to playing a supporting role on a bad team, as is the fate of so many mid-lottery picks. At the same time, he needs a coach and a team that will push him.

Utah would be a great fit, should the Jazz give up on Carlos Boozer. Paul Millsap has played alongside top post scorers before, and Deron Williams and Jerry Sloan provide smore stability than any other lottery team can offer. Still, it's not likely Cousins will last that long – he's too talented. A situation such as Golden State could poison him, as the Warriors have a selfish reputation, instability throughout the organization and a fast style of play.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1025 » by ChampionRed » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:48 pm

Good read enetric, thanks for posting. Do you think now that the Nets hired Avery, he can keep Cousins cool, collected, and aggressive on the court? I do like Cousins a lot but my main problem with him isn't even his weight but his habit of taking plays off.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1026 » by Thompson219 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:56 pm

What on the sixers roster would NJ take in order to get the number 3 pick not including the 2nd pick?

Would Speights & one of iggy/young be enough?
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Post#1027 » by demens » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:00 pm

Thompson219 wrote:What on the sixers roster would NJ take in order to get the number 3 pick not including the 2nd pick?

Would Speights & one of iggy/young be enough?

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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1028 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:43 pm

Thompson219 wrote:What on the sixers roster would NJ take in order to get the number 3 pick not including the 2nd pick?

Would Speights & one of iggy/young be enough?



Nets have set everything to stock the pond with prospect and go shopping for the elite free agents. they arent going to trade propsect for the purpose of giving away cap room. its the oppisite of what we want to do.

Give you the #27 to flip 2 for 3 though.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1029 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:46 pm

Netsultimatefan63 wrote:Good read enetric, thanks for posting. Do you think now that the Nets hired Avery, he can keep Cousins cool, collected, and aggressive on the court? I do like Cousins a lot but my main problem with him isn't even his weight but his habit of taking plays off.



I dont think their is a magic coach or pill, or leash that gets into the head of someone unless they are ready for it. I have said repeatedly...i would prefer not to take the chance on this guy. I would rather add good character people, less risks less hassles and as it stands....there is another big on the board who fits better defensively with Brook anyway...who could be a stud athlete in years to come. Nets may love Cousins when they work him out...but unless that happens...hell even if that happens...I am still of the mindset to stay away.

Hopefully we some how end up with Turner and its all moot.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1030 » by Preludepunk27 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:53 pm

^^^^

Agreed.

There is no bigger contract player on the sixers I'd sacrifice cap space for.

There is no rookie contract player on the sixers I feel is better than someone we'd get at #3.

Bottom line is: Sixers will never get #3 from us without giving up #2 unless something (Please Use More Appropriate Word) happened. By (Please Use More Appropriate Word) I mean a 3 team deal where we freed up the cap room for 2 max players and got someone like Rubio's rights in the process. That is 99.9% unlikely, so it won't happen.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1031 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:20 pm

Favors is the one Out of Shape?

GM David Kahn and Coach Kurt Rambis both said Favors is "out of shape".

"He isn't in shape," Kahn said after Favors' workout at Target Center. "You could see that right off the bat."


More interesting quotes and links...

Have to say, as one of the articles mentions, this can obviously be a ploy by Kahn trying to downplay Favors as a prospect, but sitting with the #4 pick, it doesn't make a ton of sense, cause it's not like his opinion is going to change the opinion of anyone higher then him and there is only the slimmest of chances Favors drops to him. The only even remotely reasonable explanation for him to be is lying is to downplay his interest in Favors so to make it look like he won't give up much to swap picks to move up and nab him, but even that is far fetched, especially with Rambis initiating the comments originally and the likelyhood that the Nets will not move down and give up on him anyway.

I think they were telling the truth and just speaking their minds. Also, it's not like they stressed the negative that much except one comment and the rest of the quotes pretty much praised him.

I'm still hoping Turner drops...
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1032 » by Krapinsky » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:21 pm

I didn't see this posted anywhere -- from Mannix (SI) twitter:

"RE: Nets, I talked to Avery yesterday. Sounds like he is high on Cousins but a) Thorn making the call and b) decent chance they trade pick"

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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1033 » by demens » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:23 pm

I think thats absolutely hilarious. Even if there is a fat chance that this is true, this will be my response to anyone talking **** about Cousins weight problems from now till the draft day. Could not get any more ironic then this.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1034 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:31 pm

If you read that entire thing Demens posted....there is a part in there that while Laimbeer is working him out he remakrs that Favors is strong as an ox.

ans as that we saw Favors and Cousins doing the drills...with one looking like he wasnt even warmed up yet and the othet sweating gravy....all i have to say is...if Favors is out of shape...imagine what he will be when he is IN shape???? His testing in Chicago was outstanding. So...while Demens and others might like to take this as some sort of triumph.....it really isnt.

They also said some where that Minny cant seem to get Cousins to even come in for a work out.

I say again...lets see how they do in Philly and in our head to head. Trully Favors has everything to lose and Cousins is the one who has to prove himself.
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Re: Official 2010 NBA Draft Thread (Nets To Select 3rd Overall) 

Post#1035 » by enetric » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:29 pm

http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/6/18/1524921/some-stuff-relating-the-nets-from

Some stuff relating the Nets from yesterday's daily dime chat
by muwu on Jun 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT 1 comment


[Comment From Brendan]
does the trade of dalembert pretty much mean that philly is taking favors or cousins?

chadfordinsider:

For those of you who missed, ESPN.com just broke the story that the Kings had agreed to trade Andres Nocioni and Spencer Hawes to the Sixers for Samuel Dalembert.

I think that you can read into it that this could put Favors ahead of Turner. GM Ed Stefanski has been a big Turner fan. Doug Collins likes Favors. Now that you add Nocioni and take away your starting center, it could make some sense. However, Evan Turner can play the 2 and you could have a team with Jrue Holiday and Turner in the backcourt. Iguodala and Young at the forward positions and Elton Brand in the middle. Guys like Lou Williams, Nocioni, Hawes and Speights coming off the bench.

[Comment From Mike]

Is Amare for sure gone in Phoenix, If he is will they make a run at someone like David Lee?

chadfordinsider:

I reported back in May that it was really unlikely that he stays. Not only has he been unhappy with Robert Saver and his contract extension talks before the Feb trade deadline, he also was unsure about the direction of the team. He didn't want to sign on to a long-term deal only to have Saver go into bargain mode. I think Kerr's departure sealed the deal. Unless Sarver reverses course and offers Amare the max (and no other team is willing to do the same) then Amare's gone. I expect we'll see him in Miami or NJ.



[Comment From Jersey Mike in LA]
Why would NJ draft Favors if they can get Amare or another PF in FA?

chadfordinsider:

It's a legit question. They'll make a strong run at Amare and Carlos Boozer and that could mean the No. 3 pick isn't getting a lot of minutes if they took Favors. But if Evan Turner goes No. 2, then the only guy left would be Wes Johnson. The Nets do really like Johnson and I could see it, but it's a big gamble. Favors is raw, but he's got sooooooooooo much upside. If he develops the upside, it would be like passing Dwight Howard for Josh Smith.



[Comment From Tim]
Chad, what are your top 10 players in this draft regardless of what the GM's are saying

chadfordinsider:

1. John Wall
2. Derrick Favors
3. Evan Turner
4. DeMarcus Cousins
5. Wesley Johnson
6. Greg Monroe
7. Ed Davis
8. Paul George
9. Avery Bradley
10. Gordon Hayward

[Comment From Tom]

What percent chance would you give the Wolves of landing Turner?

chadfordinsider:

I think it went up a bit after today's trade. I wonder if the Sixers now could still pass on a Wolves offer of 4 & 16 for 2. Sixers could get a big (either Cousins or Favors at No. 4) and add a wing at No. 16. Again to be clear, I'm hearing 2 different things out of Philly. Stefanski wants Turner and if they want him, they have to stay at 2. Collins wants Favors but probably can't get him if they move off 2. But Cousins isn't a bad consolation prize if you're picking up 16.



[Comment From Ben]
Do you think any of the top 3 teams are willing to trade their picks?

Coach Thorpe:

I'd guess 2 and 3 would if the offer was amazing.

[Comment From Skulman]

how does the Dalembert trade affect the sixers draft plans?

Coach Thorpe:

It doesn't.

[Comment From Bo]

Coach, reports out of Minnesota are that Favors was out of shape at his work out. What

Coach Thorpe:

Don't believe everything you read. Unless it comes from Chad.

[Comment From Jeff]

Who would you draft at 2 if you're Philly?

Coach Thorpe:

Favors



[Comment From Albert]
Thorpe, Who do you think the Nets have the best shot at getting in the free agency market?

Coach Thorpe:

Amare.

[Comment From JB]

If the Sixers take Favors in the draft and the Nets can get Turner, and then the Nets can sign Amare or Boozer, would a core of Lopez, Amare or Boozer, Harris, and Turner make the Nets a lock for the playoffs next season?

Coach Thorpe:

Yes, but they'd look to trade Harris.



[Comment From Aaron]
Have you been working any NBA guys out who you think might be in store for a breakout or 'most improved' type year next year?

Coach Thorpe:

Yi Jianlian is headed there I think. We'll see how 2 months in China impact his progress.



[Comment From Tom]
Thorpe, the Nets are absolutely the ideal situation for Lebron. Top 3 pick, the young players in place that NATURALLY fit around him, AND the money available to get Lebron, and find some bench scoring. What are your thoughts on that? The Nets give Lebron everything he wants, and cap flexibility at the deadline to pull a John Salmons if they need him

Coach Thorpe:

Agreed.

[Comment From Jake]

Will Demarcus Cosusins be the next Rasheed Wallace in terms of attitude ?

Coach Thorpe:

More like Randolph.



[Comment From Al]
Is Brook Lopez the best young center behind Dwight Howard?

Coach Thorpe:

Probably.



[Comment From Ben]
Why wouldn't starting Cousins and Dalembert work for the Kings?

John Hollinger:

In today's league it's very difficult to pair two bigs who can't shoot. Also, who's going to guard perimeter 4s? I think it's a combo that could work in stretches, but I'm not seeing it as a full-time duo. Better question however: Why wouldn't starting Cousins and Thompson work? No way Dalembert is better than Thompson, and Thompson's face-up/mobility work better in tandem with Cousins.
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Post#1036 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:45 pm

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Post#1037 » by jeff1624 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:24 pm

Yeah.... Favors will be Net.
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Post#1038 » by demens » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:30 am

Krapinsky wrote:I saw the Favors/Couins discussion and wanted to show you guys this if you have not seen it yet. It's Favors and Cousins matched up in highschool. Note that this a mixtape of Cousins' highlights only. Favors was also superb in this game. This tape really highlights Cousin's versatility and all around skill set, something he didn't get an opportunity to really show at Kentucky.

Cousins #15 (white)
Favors #54 (green)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-yCp9I85aE[/youtube]
The part where Cousins is named "Player of the Game" is especially damning about DeMarcus.
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Post#1039 » by enetric » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:55 am

Cousins team won the game and both played well, but by all accounts Favors was the standout best player. Stats....

Derrick Favors, 6'9, Power Forward, South Atlanta HS, 2009, Committed to Georgia Tech
36 Points, 19 Rebounds, 4 Blocks

DeMarcus Cousins, 6'10, Power Forward/Center, LeFlore HS, 2009, Considering UAB, Memphis, Washington, Kansas State, NC State, Wake Forest

21 Points, 12 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 5 Blocks, 1 Turnover, 9-13 FG
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