2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

MrDollarBills · Post #1041 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:52 pm

I'd rather keep Carroll...Ryan Anderson makes 20 mil a season and has a PER of 13. Disaster.

vincecarter4pres · Post #1042 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:58 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I'd rather keep Carroll...Ryan Anderson makes 20 mil a season and has a PER of 13. Disaster.

Agreed, puke.

Prokorov · Post #1043 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:11 pm

Claud wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
Claud wrote:I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team

Our Lobs-n-blocks big will be Allen though. I heard Kenny say that he could even start if he has a good training camp. We have a lot of solid guards/wings but lack quality bigs... I think Allen will be starting sooner than most think. He will definitely need to bulk up but you can't teach timing/feel defensively which is what he has. Plumlee is a finished product and we have seen his best already...plus his talents are redundant when you consider our bigs rotation.

We need a stretch big since only Acy could be considered as a threat from 3 when you consider Moz-RHJ-Book-Nicholson-Allen are non-existent threats from 3. Motion offense plus RHJ/BOOK as your 4 requires some spacing(Brook's job last year).

i think mozgov will end up hitting 75+ threes at 30+ percent. he has a nice stroke from deep and will be encouraged to shoot it. he was better then lopez on long twos.

Prokorov · Post #1044 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:15 pm

MGrand15 wrote:I'm actually shocked that our roster is full of non shooting bigs. Right now Carroll and Act are the only guys that sort of fit that category. Everyone else is a non factor out of the paint. Weird to see such a shift in philosophy from last year.

is it?

last year we came into the season with scola, booker, and lopez. scola the only real proven threat. lopez had taken 4 career attempts at that point.

this year we have acy, booker, and mozgov. acy the only real proven threat. mozgov like brook was great on long twos, and they have him shooting threes now. i can see a similar transition for him

Prokorov · Post #1045 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:16 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:The Nets need to find a way to be the 3rd team in a Ryan Anderson trade. I think he would fit the team perfectly, but only if we're able to move Carroll and Nicholsons deals.

Something like this:
Rockets Trade: Ryan Anderson, Hartenstein, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, Zhou Qi and their minimum contract pu put platter.
Rockets Get: Carmelo Anthony, Andrew Nicholson

Nets trade: Carroll, Nicholson (12 mill less than Andersons total)
Nets Get: Anderson, Hartenstein, left over from minimum contract pu pu platter.

Knicks Get: Demarre Carroll, 2019 Rockets 1st, 2nd, Zhou Qi and first choice of Min Contract pupu platter.
Knicks Trade: Carmelo Anthony

According to the trade machine it works if done after the trade restrictions on Jared Uthoff and Zhou Qi expire on August 28th.

noooooo thank you.

we dont need more bigs who dont defend or rebound. we got rid of brook, no need to add the PF version of lopez.

Netaman · Post #1046 » by **Netaman** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:16 pm

Booker took 1 three per game, it doesn't seem crazy Mozgov could do the same.

I think Marks is almost certainly going to add 1 more big man for the rotation this offseason, will be very interesting to see which direction he goes. Just guessing, but I don't think he's gonna take on any multi-year salary dump bigger than Carroll's. I could see him taking a flyer on someone with 1 year remaining like Monroe or just signing someone to a 1 year deal like Diaw/Speights. I imagine he's holding out for something better that he thinks is attainable?

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #1047 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:35 pm

Wow I didn't know you guys were so unified against Ryan Anderson. I thought he would be a great fit as a 40+ 3pt shooter and a big upgrade over Carroll and Nicholson for only 15 mill more in 2019-20 while saving money in the 2 years before. But I guess not.

moonpie · Post #1048 » by **moonpie** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:54 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246941/Willie-Reed-Agrees-Upon-One-Year-$15M-Deal-With-Clippers

moonpie · Post #1049 » by **moonpie** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:15 pm

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/07/18/agent-noel-disappointed-negotiations-stand-mavericks

Prokorov · Post #1050 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:54 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:Wow I didn't know you guys were so unified against Ryan Anderson. I thought he would be a great fit as a 40+ 3pt shooter and a big upgrade over Carroll and Nicholson for only 15 mill more in 2019-20 while saving money in the 2 years before. But I guess not.

im not sure he is an upgrade over caroll. Anderson was statistically one of the worst defenders in the league each of the last 3 seaons. he is nearly as bad a rebounder as lopez. he really does nothing other then shoot threes. and is a negative in most other areas.

on top of that, he makes tons.

to me carroll, booker, acy, and RHJ are all better PF options

Prokorov · Post #1051 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:55 pm

Netaman wrote:Booker took 1 three per game, it doesn't seem crazy Mozgov could do the same.

I think Marks is almost certainly going to add 1 more big man for the rotation this offseason, will be very interesting to see which direction he goes. Just guessing, but I don't think he's gonna take on any multi-year salary dump bigger than Carroll's. I could see him taking a flyer on someone with 1 year remaining like Monroe or just signing someone to a 1 year deal like Diaw/Speights. I imagine he's holding out for something better that he thinks is attainable?

i think someone like plumlee is more likely then speights or diaw. i know we like to shoot threes but they also want a big who runs, finsihes, and has the athleticism to defend

JoseRizal · Post #1052 » by **JoseRizal** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:13 pm

moonpie wrote:https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/07/18/agent-noel-disappointed-negotiations-stand-mavericks

Hmm. What are the odds the Mavs pull a SVG-KCP and rescind the QO making Noel an UFA then having us signing him due to our available cap space?

Vae Victus · Post #1053 » by **Vae Victus** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:24 pm

No point signing Plumlee, already have Mozgov and Allen needs his mins to develop. Acy can fill in adequately for now, until Allen is ready for a bigger role. Hell Nicholson needs a shot too, if he can rebuild some value, all the better when trying to dump him.

I just dont see any major moves other than PF. Need another shooter there, preferably one for cheap.

Paradise · Post #1054 » by **Paradise** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:33 pm

Nothing wrong with comparing a decent player to the Bible. Nothing at all.

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Vae Victus · Post #1055 » by **Vae Victus** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:38 pm

Translation: "We have no **** clue what we're doing as all the good FAs got snatched off the board, but fortunately Rich Paul decided to bring his guy to LA cuz he overplayed his hand with BRK"

Magic, Pelinka, and Jeannie, the LAL FO still as clueless as ever.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #1056 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:40 pm

Why can't we just make an offer for Nerlens Noel?

His agent says hes unhappy with Dallas right now.

Hes a perfect fit for this team and fits a huge need.

I don't get why we don't sign him to an offer sheet.

qiantom · Post #1057 » by **qiantom** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:44 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why can't we just make an offer for Nerlens Noel?

His agent says hes unhappy with Dallas right now.

Hes a perfect fit for this team and fits a huge need.

I don't get why we don't sign him to an offer sheet.

Because he is a RFA? I don't think there is any chance that Dallas won't match based on how much money we can offer him now.

Prokorov · Post #1058 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:55 pm

qiantom wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Why can't we just make an offer for Nerlens Noel?

His agent says hes unhappy with Dallas right now.

Hes a perfect fit for this team and fits a huge need.

I don't get why we don't sign him to an offer sheet.

Because he is a RFA? I don't think there is any chance that Dallas won't match based on how much money we can offer him now.

we can offer him close to his max.

with the room exception and waiving the last few non gauranteed guys we can start him at about 21.5 with annual increases

Sleepyazn · Post #1059 » by **Sleepyazn** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:18 pm

Prokorov wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:The Nets need to find a way to be the 3rd team in a Ryan Anderson trade. I think he would fit the team perfectly, but only if we're able to move Carroll and Nicholsons deals.

Something like this:
Rockets Trade: Ryan Anderson, Hartenstein, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, Zhou Qi and their minimum contract pu put platter.
Rockets Get: Carmelo Anthony, Andrew Nicholson

Nets trade: Carroll, Nicholson (12 mill less than Andersons total)
Nets Get: Anderson, Hartenstein, left over from minimum contract pu pu platter.

Knicks Get: Demarre Carroll, 2019 Rockets 1st, 2nd, Zhou Qi and first choice of Min Contract pupu platter.
Knicks Trade: Carmelo Anthony

According to the trade machine it works if done after the trade restrictions on Jared Uthoff and Zhou Qi expire on August 28th.

noooooo thank you.

we dont need more bigs who dont defend or rebound. we got rid of brook, no need to add the PF version of lopez.

Seriously that trade is trash, why in the world would the Nets want any of that return? I don't want the Nets to be in anyway involved with Anderson's contract unless we get Knicks/Rockets first rounders unprotected.

Ror1997 · Post #1060 » by **Ror1997** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:20 pm

You're not getting Noel unless its a S+T. Mavs gave up Justin Anderson and a pick for him. You're not only giving him the max but you're giving up an asset. Noels agent knows that too, so he has to make sure that before Noel signs anything, that everything will work out smoothly for Noel. If noel signs a contract before things get sorted out, he shoots himself in the foot and risks putting himself into a potentially toxic situation (for him) in Dallas.