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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1061 » by Prokorov » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:03 am

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Levert is a good asset for an up and coming team looking to make the playoffs ie the Pelicans or the Hawks.

Hes 26 years old.

He makes no sense for a team like the Wizards who are looking to completely tear it down and start over.

In that situation you want a player much younger like 20 years old.

Why would the Wizards trade for a package centered around Levert? Its not even worth discussing.


Actually that EXACTLY the situation you want levert for. a guy who can score enough to entertain fans and keep them hopeful but not good enough to help win games. so you get a high lotto pick
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1062 » by Prokorov » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:05 am

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I'm not saying KD is not coachable.

But Poppovich is very strict and rules with an iron fist. I'm not sure KD/Kyrie want that type of coach.


Then they don't want to win a championship.

But I've read that KD is the one pushing for Pop.


Thats just the way the league is bro.

Look at LeBron. Hes never wanted to be coached either.


He coached both Kyrie and durant multiple times for team USA.

Pop is far from an iron fist guy. he does whats needed to get the most out of his talents. he adapts like great ones do. like belicheck and randy moss.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1063 » by ProspectPark » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:18 am

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Kyrie didn’t want to go to Boston. Guess where he was sent? Boston.

Kawhi didn’t want to go to Toronto. He wanted LA. Guess where he ended up? Toronto.

Chris Paul wanted to play with Kobe in LA. Where was he sent? To the Clippers.

Paul George wanted to go to LA because he wanted to be close to his mom. Where was he sent? Oklahoma City.

Can you explain this?
Let's make some corrections since you seem to misrepresent information a lot.

Kyrie was happy going to Boston. https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/18/boston-was-kyrie-irvings-preferred-destination-in-2017-trade-request/

Kawhi wanted to go to LA, won a championship in Toronto, YET still left the champions for an unproven LA team, proving to be a rental. Obviously Toronto still does that trade 10/10 times in hindsight, but their goal was to have him stay for years to come.

Chris Paul was happy going to the Clippers, and the Lakers trade was infamously veto'd by NBA, after being accepted by then New Orleans GM.

Paul George wanted to go to LA but Lakers never made a serious offer to Indiana as they believed he was going to sign with them in free agency. Paul George surprised everyone when he committed to OKC, but then requested a trade out of there a year later anyway (to a LA team).


Seriously everyone one of those examples is a reason to think Beal wont be in washington.... like legit every one of those guys who didnt go directly where they wanted got there a year later or the second they were able to leverage it. George had a longterm deal and commited to OKC. kyrie had 1 year left and committed verbally to boston and still bounced. Not to mention AD forced his way out of a deal with years left


1. I don’t think we have anything they would want.

2. With KD, Kyrie, Harris and one of LeVert or Dinwiddie, our offense is fine. Whatever offensive output Beal would provide, can be spread out by our top 4 + Prince, TLC, Allen, and DJ.


If we do make a trade, I hope it’s for someone who can impact the game defensively. When I look around the league, no one is stopping Luka, AD, Giannis, Kawhi etc... but at least players with length can contest shots and keep them away from the rim. I just saw Ibaka look like prime Dirk because we were too small.

I do not want to spend $30+ million on a 6’3 guard who can’t defend especially when we already have Kyrie. Even Steph and KD needed Klay, Iggy, and Draymond to do all the dirty work to get stops.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1064 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:46 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
I'm not saying KD is not coachable.

But Poppovich is very strict and rules with an iron fist. I'm not sure KD/Kyrie want that type of coach.


Then they don't want to win a championship.

But I've read that KD is the one pushing for Pop.


Thats just the way the league is bro.

Look at LeBron. Hes never wanted to be coached either.


But LeBron and KD have two different temperaments. That's like saying Steph Curry doesn't want to be coached because he's a great player too.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1065 » by DarkXaero » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:16 am

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DarkXaero wrote:Y'all naive if you think that Beal is staying in DC long-term. He has another season there max, before realizing that the Wizards situation is **** and can't be salvaged. He signed a short extension for a reason too. Whether its here or somewhere else, he'll end up playing for another team. And there aren't 20 teams out there with better packages/situation, and that doesn't matter anyway. Beal holds the leverage and if he says that "I'll only re-sign with this list of teams", only those teams will go after him. There's a reason why AD ended up with the Lakers.


We didn't say he would stay long term. Enough of your usual strawmans lol.

We said he is not leaving THIS off season. That's what were discussing right now.

How can we improve for next season. And Beal is not getting traded right now. He resigned so he could give it another go with Wall.
Okay, and we're not just talking about things happening this offseason, things can happen midseason too. Wizards reporter Fred Katz has said that if Wizards underachieve, and things are looking grim by midseason, they might consider a Beal trade at the deadline then.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1066 » by DarkXaero » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:24 am

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Kyrie didn’t want to go to Boston. Guess where he was sent? Boston.

Kawhi didn’t want to go to Toronto. He wanted LA. Guess where he ended up? Toronto.

Chris Paul wanted to play with Kobe in LA. Where was he sent? To the Clippers.

Paul George wanted to go to LA because he wanted to be close to his mom. Where was he sent? Oklahoma City.

Can you explain this?
Let's make some corrections since you seem to misrepresent information a lot.

Kyrie was happy going to Boston. https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/18/boston-was-kyrie-irvings-preferred-destination-in-2017-trade-request/

Kawhi wanted to go to LA, won a championship in Toronto, YET still left the champions for an unproven LA team, proving to be a rental. Obviously Toronto still does that trade 10/10 times in hindsight, but their goal was to have him stay for years to come.

Chris Paul was happy going to the Clippers, and the Lakers trade was infamously veto'd by NBA, after being accepted by then New Orleans GM.

Paul George wanted to go to LA but Lakers never made a serious offer to Indiana as they believed he was going to sign with them in free agency. Paul George surprised everyone when he committed to OKC, but then requested a trade out of there a year later anyway (to a LA team).


But you just told me stars call the shots. Why none of these players directly went where they wanted? Paul George wanted LA, why didn’t he “call the shots” and force his way to LA directly?

Why didn’t Kawhi go straight to LA?

Why didn’t Chris Paul force his way to the Lakers?

And lol at using a Celtics blog boy fan page to say Kyrie was happy to go to Boston. He wasn’t. He gave the Cavs a list and Boston was never on it.
Stars do hold the leverage. Paul George could have ended up at LA a year before he did, but he did the unexpected move of re-signing. That's your only example that works, and even then, not really. The rest of your examples don't apply. There's a reason why Melo didn't become a Net, and was a Knick instead. Reason why AD ended up with Lakers, and Boston didn't want to trade for him after his dad publicly stated that he would never re-sign with Boston. Prime Dwight Howard was going to be a Net until he changed his mind last minute on an impulse and didn't exercise his ETO. Butler ended up in Miami despite Miami not having cap space.

Kawhi not going straight to LA has been explained, and I'm sure you've read that by now.

And that's not a "celtics blog fan page", the source is an article from Boston Herald, and its citing a NBA GM saying that. I'm sure NBA GMs are more clued in than you are.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1067 » by ProspectPark » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:15 am

DarkXaero wrote:
7footMONSTER wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Let's make some corrections since you seem to misrepresent information a lot.

Kyrie was happy going to Boston. https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/18/boston-was-kyrie-irvings-preferred-destination-in-2017-trade-request/

Kawhi wanted to go to LA, won a championship in Toronto, YET still left the champions for an unproven LA team, proving to be a rental. Obviously Toronto still does that trade 10/10 times in hindsight, but their goal was to have him stay for years to come.

Chris Paul was happy going to the Clippers, and the Lakers trade was infamously veto'd by NBA, after being accepted by then New Orleans GM.

Paul George wanted to go to LA but Lakers never made a serious offer to Indiana as they believed he was going to sign with them in free agency. Paul George surprised everyone when he committed to OKC, but then requested a trade out of there a year later anyway (to a LA team).


But you just told me stars call the shots. Why none of these players directly went where they wanted? Paul George wanted LA, why didn’t he “call the shots” and force his way to LA directly?

Why didn’t Kawhi go straight to LA?

Why didn’t Chris Paul force his way to the Lakers?

And lol at using a Celtics blog boy fan page to say Kyrie was happy to go to Boston. He wasn’t. He gave the Cavs a list and Boston was never on it.
Stars do hold the leverage. Paul George could have ended up at LA a year before he did, but he did the unexpected move of re-signing. That's your only example that works, and even then, not really. The rest of your examples don't apply. There's a reason why Melo didn't become a Net, and was a Knick instead. Reason why AD ended up with Lakers, and Boston didn't want to trade for him after his dad publicly stated that he would never re-sign with Boston. Prime Dwight Howard was going to be a Net until he changed his mind last minute on an impulse and didn't exercise his ETO. Butler ended up in Miami despite Miami not having cap space.

Kawhi not going straight to LA has been explained, and I'm sure you've read that by now.

And that's not a "celtics blog fan page", the source is an article from Boston Herald, and its citing a NBA GM saying that. I'm sure NBA GMs are more clued in than you are.


All the players you listed were either free agents or about to become free agents. Beal literally just signed an extension. Can you understand the difference?

Also is that your plan? So we should wait for Beal to bounce around the league and then maybe in 2 years he’ll come to us. How does that help us this year?

Finally, Kyrie gave the Cavs a list of 4 teams. New York, Minnesota, San Antonio, and Miami. Boston was never on his list. Interesting the article you referenced doesn’t actually say the GM’s name. Wonder why. Maybe when Kyrie made his list, he just conveniently forgot to include Boston? I’m sure the Boston media is 100% reliable and trustworthy when it comes to Kyrie.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1068 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:35 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Y'all naive if you think that Beal is staying in DC long-term. He has another season there max, before realizing that the Wizards situation is **** and can't be salvaged. He signed a short extension for a reason too. Whether its here or somewhere else, he'll end up playing for another team. And there aren't 20 teams out there with better packages/situation, and that doesn't matter anyway. Beal holds the leverage and if he says that "I'll only re-sign with this list of teams", only those teams will go after him. There's a reason why AD ended up with the Lakers.


We didn't say he would stay long term. Enough of your usual strawmans lol.

We said he is not leaving THIS off season. That's what were discussing right now.

How can we improve for next season. And Beal is not getting traded right now. He resigned so he could give it another go with Wall.


0,0% chance beal is in DC next year unless the pandemic ruins another year. no one is waiting to "play a year with wall" who wasnt good enough to be even a fringe contender before all the injuries. he may nto end up here, but he wont be in DC


What are you even talking about?

If he didn't want to play with Wall why would he resign? He could have just demanded a trade or left.

OF COURSE he wants to play with Wall.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1069 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:36 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Levert is a good asset for an up and coming team looking to make the playoffs ie the Pelicans or the Hawks.

Hes 26 years old.

He makes no sense for a team like the Wizards who are looking to completely tear it down and start over.

In that situation you want a player much younger like 20 years old.

Why would the Wizards trade for a package centered around Levert? Its not even worth discussing.


Actually that EXACTLY the situation you want levert for. a guy who can score enough to entertain fans and keep them hopeful but not good enough to help win games. so you get a high lotto pick


Again you make no sense.

You want to trade for someone who can help you be a contender long term.

Similar to how OKC got SGA for Paul George. Or Pelicans got Ingram for AD.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1070 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:38 am

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Then they don't want to win a championship.

But I've read that KD is the one pushing for Pop.


Thats just the way the league is bro.

Look at LeBron. Hes never wanted to be coached either.


But LeBron and KD have two different temperaments. That's like saying Steph Curry doesn't want to be coached because he's a great player too.


I hope you are right man.

I would love to have Pop here.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1071 » by DarkXaero » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:25 am

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But you just told me stars call the shots. Why none of these players directly went where they wanted? Paul George wanted LA, why didn’t he “call the shots” and force his way to LA directly?

Why didn’t Kawhi go straight to LA?

Why didn’t Chris Paul force his way to the Lakers?

And lol at using a Celtics blog boy fan page to say Kyrie was happy to go to Boston. He wasn’t. He gave the Cavs a list and Boston was never on it.
Stars do hold the leverage. Paul George could have ended up at LA a year before he did, but he did the unexpected move of re-signing. That's your only example that works, and even then, not really. The rest of your examples don't apply. There's a reason why Melo didn't become a Net, and was a Knick instead. Reason why AD ended up with Lakers, and Boston didn't want to trade for him after his dad publicly stated that he would never re-sign with Boston. Prime Dwight Howard was going to be a Net until he changed his mind last minute on an impulse and didn't exercise his ETO. Butler ended up in Miami despite Miami not having cap space.

Kawhi not going straight to LA has been explained, and I'm sure you've read that by now.

And that's not a "celtics blog fan page", the source is an article from Boston Herald, and its citing a NBA GM saying that. I'm sure NBA GMs are more clued in than you are.


All the players you listed were either free agents or about to become free agents. Beal literally just signed an extension. Can you understand the difference?

Also is that your plan? So we should wait for Beal to bounce around the league and then maybe in 2 years he’ll come to us. How does that help us this year?

Finally, Kyrie gave the Cavs a list of 4 teams. New York, Minnesota, San Antonio, and Miami. Boston was never on his list. Interesting the article you referenced doesn’t actually say the GM’s name. Wonder why. Maybe when Kyrie made his list, he just conveniently forgot to include Boston? I’m sure the Boston media is 100% reliable and trustworthy when it comes to Kyrie.
Beal signed a 1+1 extension that gets him a nice pay rise, and gets him a season with John Wall (his wish) to see if it works. However, odds are greatly against Beal & Wall that it will work. Is that hard to understand?

I didn't talk about any plan. Beal is constantly brought up because he's widely expected by the entire league, not just us, to be the next legit star on the move through a trade. It could be this offseason (unlikely) or trade deadline (possible) or next year's offseason. I don't understand the problem with fans speculating about a possible trade/move, when Nets possibly looking for a 3rd star is widely reported. After all, this thread is about those kind of possibilities. We obviously can't sign Beal with cap space, unless its a S&T, but that's highly unlikely regardless. That's why it would have to be a trade, and Beal has already publicly talked about the idea of "KD and Kyrie wanting him". What's difficult to grasp here?

And of course, they're not going to name the GM. When do executives ever get named in these stories? Reporters have to protect the confidentiality of sources :lol: Also that Boston article is from before Kyrie left, so its before the agenda. Believe whatever you want, but Kyrie himself said start of 2018-19 season that he was ready to re-sign with Celtics, and then it all fell apart. Stars holding leverage when they're a year or two away from becoming free agents is a commonly known fact, I have no idea why its up for debate here.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1072 » by ProspectPark » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:13 am

DarkXaero wrote:
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DarkXaero wrote:Stars do hold the leverage. Paul George could have ended up at LA a year before he did, but he did the unexpected move of re-signing. That's your only example that works, and even then, not really. The rest of your examples don't apply. There's a reason why Melo didn't become a Net, and was a Knick instead. Reason why AD ended up with Lakers, and Boston didn't want to trade for him after his dad publicly stated that he would never re-sign with Boston. Prime Dwight Howard was going to be a Net until he changed his mind last minute on an impulse and didn't exercise his ETO. Butler ended up in Miami despite Miami not having cap space.

Kawhi not going straight to LA has been explained, and I'm sure you've read that by now.

And that's not a "celtics blog fan page", the source is an article from Boston Herald, and its citing a NBA GM saying that. I'm sure NBA GMs are more clued in than you are.


All the players you listed were either free agents or about to become free agents. Beal literally just signed an extension. Can you understand the difference?

Also is that your plan? So we should wait for Beal to bounce around the league and then maybe in 2 years he’ll come to us. How does that help us this year?

Finally, Kyrie gave the Cavs a list of 4 teams. New York, Minnesota, San Antonio, and Miami. Boston was never on his list. Interesting the article you referenced doesn’t actually say the GM’s name. Wonder why. Maybe when Kyrie made his list, he just conveniently forgot to include Boston? I’m sure the Boston media is 100% reliable and trustworthy when it comes to Kyrie.
Beal signed a 1+1 extension that gets him a nice pay rise, and gets him a season with John Wall (his wish) to see if it works. However, odds are greatly against Beal & Wall that it will work. Is that hard to understand?

I didn't talk about any plan. Beal is constantly brought up because he's widely expected by the entire league, not just us, to be the next legit star on the move through a trade. It could be this offseason (unlikely) or trade deadline (possible) or next year's offseason. I don't understand the problem with fans speculating about a possible trade/move, when Nets possibly looking for a 3rd star is widely reported. After all, this thread is about those kind of possibilities. We obviously can't sign Beal with cap space, unless its a S&T, but that's highly unlikely regardless. That's why it would have to be a trade, and Beal has already publicly talked about the idea of "KD and Kyrie wanting him". What's difficult to grasp here?

And of course, they're not going to name the GM. When do executives ever get named in these stories? Reporters have to protect the confidentiality of sources :lol: Also that Boston article is from before Kyrie left, so its before the agenda. Believe whatever you want, but Kyrie himself said start of 2018-19 season that he was ready to re-sign with Celtics, and then it all fell apart. Stars holding leverage when they're a year or two away from becoming free agents is a commonly known fact, I have no idea why its up for debate here.


Beal has 2 years left and then a player option in the 3rd year. It’s not a 1+1. He has 2 full years left.

In the same interview where Beal acknowledged KD and Kyrie, right after that, he went on a long rant about him wanting to stay in Washington because they are going to build a team around him and how it would be more special to win in Washington.

So why didn’t Kyrie include Boston in his original list? What’s the point of making a list then? Kyrie never wanted to play in Boston and left as soon as he could. These are the facts.

If Beal went to his team and said I want to go to Brooklyn. They will say ok that’s great. We’re sending you to Denver. Similar to what the Cavs did with Kyrie and what the Spurs did with Kawhi. 2 years left on a contract = zero leverage.

There is no point even discussing Beal because it’s never going to happen. Marks isn’t dumb enough to think a backcourt of two 5’11 guys making the max is ever going to work in the NBA.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1073 » by Prokorov » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:14 pm

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Prokorov wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:Let's make some corrections since you seem to misrepresent information a lot.

Kyrie was happy going to Boston. https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/18/boston-was-kyrie-irvings-preferred-destination-in-2017-trade-request/

Kawhi wanted to go to LA, won a championship in Toronto, YET still left the champions for an unproven LA team, proving to be a rental. Obviously Toronto still does that trade 10/10 times in hindsight, but their goal was to have him stay for years to come.

Chris Paul was happy going to the Clippers, and the Lakers trade was infamously veto'd by NBA, after being accepted by then New Orleans GM.

Paul George wanted to go to LA but Lakers never made a serious offer to Indiana as they believed he was going to sign with them in free agency. Paul George surprised everyone when he committed to OKC, but then requested a trade out of there a year later anyway (to a LA team).


Seriously everyone one of those examples is a reason to think Beal wont be in washington.... like legit every one of those guys who didnt go directly where they wanted got there a year later or the second they were able to leverage it. George had a longterm deal and commited to OKC. kyrie had 1 year left and committed verbally to boston and still bounced. Not to mention AD forced his way out of a deal with years left


1. I don’t think we have anything they would want.

2. With KD, Kyrie, Harris and one of LeVert or Dinwiddie, our offense is fine. Whatever offensive output Beal would provide, can be spread out by our top 4 + Prince, TLC, Allen, and DJ.


If we do make a trade, I hope it’s for someone who can impact the game defensively. When I look around the league, no one is stopping Luka, AD, Giannis, Kawhi etc... but at least players with length can contest shots and keep them away from the rim. I just saw Ibaka look like prime Dirk because we were too small.

I do not want to spend $30+ million on a 6’3 guard who can’t defend especially when we already have Kyrie. Even Steph and KD needed Klay, Iggy, and Draymond to do all the dirty work to get stops.



Beal is a monumental upgrade to levert or dinwiddie. and "our offense is fine" oversimplifies things and ignores the extremely likely scenario that KD and or Kyrie will miss a ton of games and both big risks to go down for an extended period.

Beal would help carry us as a legit second star if one went down. levert 100% no. dinwiddie probably not also.

i agree id prefer a 2-way guy. id choose holliday over beal. but beal is 10000 time better option than levert/dinwiddie/allen trio
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1074 » by Prokorov » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:16 pm

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All the players you listed were either free agents or about to become free agents. Beal literally just signed an extension. Can you understand the difference?


Paul George had a 4 year deal and got himself to LA.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1075 » by Prokorov » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:18 pm

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We didn't say he would stay long term. Enough of your usual strawmans lol.

We said he is not leaving THIS off season. That's what were discussing right now.

How can we improve for next season. And Beal is not getting traded right now. He resigned so he could give it another go with Wall.


0,0% chance beal is in DC next year unless the pandemic ruins another year. no one is waiting to "play a year with wall" who wasnt good enough to be even a fringe contender before all the injuries. he may nto end up here, but he wont be in DC


What are you even talking about?

If he didn't want to play with Wall why would he resign? He could have just demanded a trade or left.

OF COURSE he wants to play with Wall.


to get the supermax. he couldnt get it elsewhere.

he is 100% gone in the offseason or the deadline. only chance he stays is if the pandemic prevents it
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1076 » by Prokorov » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:23 pm

7footMONSTER wrote:Beal has 2 years left and then a player option in the 3rd year. It’s not a 1+1. He has 2 full years left.

In the same interview where Beal acknowledged KD and Kyrie, right after that, he went on a long rant about him wanting to stay in Washington because they are going to build a team around him and how it would be more special to win in Washington.


Players arent morons. they know its easier to ask for forgiveness then ask for permission. how many guys have said "im staying" or "loyalty means alot" or "ill be a ____ for life" then instantly leave or force their way out.

Kyrie said in front of celtics season ticket holders, on live tv, that he was going to resign and wanted to be a celtic for life

paul george said he was staying in okc because loyalty mattered to him

AD said he is "here to stay" with the pelicans

These guys are always going to say the loyalty stuff because it keeps the media off them while giving hints of leaving. then fall back on the "i need to do whats best for me and my family" after they bounce

it has happened hundreds of times.

Giannis, Beal, those guys are next
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1077 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:13 pm

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0,0% chance beal is in DC next year unless the pandemic ruins another year. no one is waiting to "play a year with wall" who wasnt good enough to be even a fringe contender before all the injuries. he may nto end up here, but he wont be in DC


What are you even talking about?

If he didn't want to play with Wall why would he resign? He could have just demanded a trade or left.

OF COURSE he wants to play with Wall.


to get the supermax. he couldnt get it elsewhere.

he is 100% gone in the offseason or the deadline. only chance he stays is if the pandemic prevents it


If Beal cared that much about the supermax he could just try to get it again. That makes no sense.

And highly unlikely Washington would even offer it after giving Wall the Supermax prior.

He wanted to stay. Thats the reason.
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Post#1078 » by ProspectPark » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:22 pm

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Seriously everyone one of those examples is a reason to think Beal wont be in washington.... like legit every one of those guys who didnt go directly where they wanted got there a year later or the second they were able to leverage it. George had a longterm deal and commited to OKC. kyrie had 1 year left and committed verbally to boston and still bounced. Not to mention AD forced his way out of a deal with years left


1. I don’t think we have anything they would want.

2. With KD, Kyrie, Harris and one of LeVert or Dinwiddie, our offense is fine. Whatever offensive output Beal would provide, can be spread out by our top 4 + Prince, TLC, Allen, and DJ.


If we do make a trade, I hope it’s for someone who can impact the game defensively. When I look around the league, no one is stopping Luka, AD, Giannis, Kawhi etc... but at least players with length can contest shots and keep them away from the rim. I just saw Ibaka look like prime Dirk because we were too small.

I do not want to spend $30+ million on a 6’3 guard who can’t defend especially when we already have Kyrie. Even Steph and KD needed Klay, Iggy, and Draymond to do all the dirty work to get stops.



Beal is a monumental upgrade to levert or dinwiddie. and "our offense is fine" oversimplifies things and ignores the extremely likely scenario that KD and or Kyrie will miss a ton of games and both big risks to go down for an extended period.

Beal would help carry us as a legit second star if one went down. levert 100% no. dinwiddie probably not also.

i agree id prefer a 2-way guy. id choose holliday over beal. but beal is 10000 time better option than levert/dinwiddie/allen trio


My personal preference is we have a solid 9-10 man rotation. I don’t want a top heavy team where in a Game 7 we have to rely on Rodi or Musa for extended minutes.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1079 » by ProspectPark » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:23 pm

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All the players you listed were either free agents or about to become free agents. Beal literally just signed an extension. Can you understand the difference?


Paul George had a 4 year deal and got himself to LA.


LA had this kid named SGA. Do we have an SGA on our team?
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1080 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:06 pm

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7footMONSTER wrote:Beal has 2 years left and then a player option in the 3rd year. It’s not a 1+1. He has 2 full years left.

In the same interview where Beal acknowledged KD and Kyrie, right after that, he went on a long rant about him wanting to stay in Washington because they are going to build a team around him and how it would be more special to win in Washington.


Players arent morons. they know its easier to ask for forgiveness then ask for permission. how many guys have said "im staying" or "loyalty means alot" or "ill be a ____ for life" then instantly leave or force their way out.

Kyrie said in front of celtics season ticket holders, on live tv, that he was going to resign and wanted to be a celtic for life

paul george said he was staying in okc because loyalty mattered to him

AD said he is "here to stay" with the pelicans

These guys are always going to say the loyalty stuff because it keeps the media off them while giving hints of leaving. then fall back on the "i need to do whats best for me and my family" after they bounce

it has happened hundreds of times.

Giannis, Beal, those guys are next


Kyrie, George, AD never signed extensions with those teams right before Free Agency.

Its completely different. Beal could have demanded a trade and been a Free Agent.

Actions speak louder than words.

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