2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Prokorov]

Why does everyone here feel rhj will get 20million extension, whose paying him that much. We don't even have a playoff roster to pay a role player 20million lol.

Kind of funny, but I was asking myself the same question..I know they are simply imagining the best case scenario with RHJ development in the future, but I'd be shocked if RHJ turned himself into an NBA player worth maxing out once his rookie deal expires or once he enter RFA.....I simply can't picture him becoming a key player worth keeping in the future.

RHJ is more likely to be out of the NBA in 3 years than signing max extension when he's up for a new contract.

No one said anything about a max contract. His market value will be between 15 and 20 million. Similar to what bazemore got. similar to what roberson will get.

4/60 to 4/72 if we get him extended. 4/64 to 4/80 if we are fored to match in RFA.

and thats if he just stays at the level he played at the second half of last year.

[Keith Van Horn]

RHJ is a player I won't lose sleep over. This has turned into a guard/wing's league. This guy can't shoot a consistent jumper to save his life. I'd love to keep him since he's a great character guy, but 20 million... lol.

anyway...

any news from the Otto Porter meeting today? Heard nothing... was an offer sheet given?

[Prokorov]

Why does everyone here feel rhj will get 20million extension, whose paying him that much. We don't even have a playoff roster to pay a role player 20million lol.

Kind of funny, but I was asking myself the same question..I know they are simply taking the best case scenario with RHJ, but I'd be shocked if RHJ turned himself into an NBA player worth maxing out once his rookie deal expires or once he enter RFA.....I simply can't picture him becoming a key player worth keeping in the future.

Exactly I'm going crazy reading everyone's comments that we need to extend Rhj to the max. I'm like wait a minute dude should be coming off the bench on any playoff team if doesn't develop a jumpshot. Marks is to smart to do something that stupid.

Who said they wanted to extend RHJ to the max? no one said that. and that wouldnt be the case.

and at 15-20 million its pretty split then people would want him back at that price. me whole point bringing that up is that if we max porter its going to create tough decisions later on. Russell, RHJ, Levert will all be due big extensions in a couple years.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'm in favor of flipping RHJ next off season for a lottery pick so we can tank in 2019.

That would be my strategy.

[Crunky]

Kind of funny, but I was asking myself the same question..I know they are simply taking the best case scenario with RHJ, but I'd be shocked if RHJ turned himself into an NBA player worth maxing out once his rookie deal expires or once he enter RFA.....I simply can't picture him becoming a key player worth keeping in the future.

Exactly I'm going crazy reading everyone's comments that we need to extend Rhj to the max. I'm like wait a minute dude should be coming off the bench on any playoff team if doesn't develop a jumpshot. Marks is to smart to do something that stupid.

Who said they wanted to extend RHJ to the max? no one said that. and that wouldnt be the case.

and at 15-20 million its pretty split then people would want him back at that price. me whole point bringing that up is that if we max porter its going to create tough decisions later on. Russell, RHJ, Levert will all be due big extensions in a couple years.

Let the market dictate it that's all, if someone offers 15million let him walk. When we get all stars on the team then we worry about role players, not the other way around.

[hood30]

Why does everyone here feel rhj will get 20million extension, whose paying him that much. We don't even have a playoff roster to pay a role player 20million lol.

Kind of funny, but I was asking myself the same question..I know they are simply imagining the best case scenario with RHJ development in the future, but I'd be shocked if RHJ turned himself into an NBA player worth maxing out once his rookie deal expires or once he enter RFA.....I simply can't picture him becoming a key player worth keeping in the future.

RHJ is more likely to be out of the NBA in 3 years than signing max extension when he's up for a new contract.

No one said anything about a max contract. His market value will be between 15 and 20 million. Similar to what bazemore got. similar to what roberson will get.

4/60 to 4/72 if we get him extended. 4/64 to 4/80 if we are fored to match in RFA.

and thats if he just stays at the level he played at the second half of last year.

$15m-$20M per for RHJ?...Bazermore is a good shooter and I can't even picture RHJ getting there but then again, anything is possible I guess..Even as simply a good defender who can't shoot, I wouldn't pay him $15M because you could easily find someone who can't shoot but can defend.

Also, Bazemore is now looking like a bad contract for ATL and there's been talk of moving him if it's even possible.

Robertson currently making $2M and I myself wouldn't pay $15M for him neither eventhough he's a very good defender...I guess I simply don't like one-dimensional player who can't shoot.

[ChokeFasncists]

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[Prokorov]

Exactly I'm going crazy reading everyone's comments that we need to extend Rhj to the max. I'm like wait a minute dude should be coming off the bench on any playoff team if doesn't develop a jumpshot. Marks is to smart to do something that stupid.

Who said they wanted to extend RHJ to the max? no one said that. and that wouldnt be the case.

and at 15-20 million its pretty split then people would want him back at that price. me whole point bringing that up is that if we max porter its going to create tough decisions later on. Russell, RHJ, Levert will all be due big extensions in a couple years.

Let the market dictate it that's all, if someone offers 15million let him walk. When we get all stars on the team then we worry about role players, not the other way around.

The market has already dictated the price for toung athletic role guys like RHJ.

you dont want to bring him back. that is perfectly reasonable. and its why i brought it up... because it is really something that can go both ways. the counter argument to your line of think would be this:

whether we bring back RHJ or not, we are going to be over the cap (assuming a porter max). so why not match on RHJ if you cant use that money on another player anyhow? not my argument... but thats the counter argument.

thats basically the situation the wizards and pistons are in now. KCP and Porter are role players. max contracts for thosse guys are HORRIBLE contracts. but both the wiz and pistons are already over the cap... so why not match anyhow?

[Claud]

Big year for RHJ.. he needs to show Markinson he fits on the court here long term or I can see him being traded/let go. He's young and talented enough so I believe he can do it. RHJ is great culture/lockeroom guy so I would love to keep dae long term if possible.

[Crunky]

Sean Marks will have to make some tough decisions a year from now. Do you Cap out the worst roster in the NBA or do you let guys like Lin and Rhj walk and tank. I prefer tanking because I don't even see us at the level of Cha, Mia, Det, 76ers and Orl they all have better roster than we do.

[Prokorov]

$15m-$20M per for RHJ?...Bazermore is a good shooter and I can't even picture RHJ getting there but then again, anything is possible I guess..Even as simply a good defender who can't shoot, I wouldn't pay him $15M because you could easily find someone who can't shoot but can defend.

Also, Bazemore is now looking like a bad contract for ATL and there's been talk of moving him if it's even possible.

Robertson currently making $2M and I myself wouldn't pay $15M for him neither even though he's a very good defender...I guess I simply don't like one-dimensional player who can't shoot.

RHJ isnt a 1 dimesnsional player. just because you can do threes doesnt make you 1 dimensional. he can put it on the floor and get to the rim and get to the FT line (he is a solid FT shooter oddly enough). he is a pretty efficient on offense despite lacking a three point shot.

i agree in bazemore. i said last yeah i wouldnt pay him that. but he got 5 offers. thats the market value.

Roberson is rumored to have a 4/64 offer. but hasnt signed with anyone yet. what he gets will give us a decent idea of what RHJ will get.

what helps RHJ as well is he is off the charts in the analtyic impact areas. RPM/RAPM/BPM. his on off stats and impact stats are very good.

i prefer 2 way players as well. problem is 2 way players get the max. and its not like if we let rhj we have cap to sign a 2 way guy

[Prokorov]

Sean Marks will have to make some tough decisions a year from now. Do you Cap out the worst roster in the NBA or do you let guys like Lin and Rhj walk and tank. I prefer tanking because I don't even see us at the level of Cha, Mia, Det, 76ers and Orl they all have better roster than we do.

i like option C:

-dont sign porter.
-add picks/young players via taking on salary dumps
-trade RHJ if you
-Continue forward with the core o Lin/Dlo/Levert/RHJ/Allen

dont tank. tanking never works and would completely destroy the culture we built. probably leads to marks and or kenny being let go or going elsewhere in a few years.

[Prokorov]

Big year for RHJ.. he needs to show Markinson he fits on the court here long term or I can see him being traded/let go. He's young and talented enough so I believe he can do it. RHJ is great culture/lockeroom guy so I would love to keep dae long term if possible.

if he can expand on what he did the last 2 months... thats a very good player.

12/8 on 58 TS% with all-nba defense is realistic

[Crunky]

Who said they wanted to extend RHJ to the max? no one said that. and that wouldnt be the case.

and at 15-20 million its pretty split then people would want him back at that price. me whole point bringing that up is that if we max porter its going to create tough decisions later on. Russell, RHJ, Levert will all be due big extensions in a couple years.

Let the market dictate it that's all, if someone offers 15million let him walk. When we get all stars on the team then we worry about role players, not the other way around.

The market has already dictated the price for toung athletic role guys like RHJ.

you dont want to bring him back. that is perfectly reasonable. and its why i brought it up... because it is really something that can go both ways. the counter argument to your line of think would be this:

whether we bring back RHJ or not, we are going to be over the cap (assuming a porter max). so why not match on RHJ if you cant use that money on another player anyhow? not my argument... but thats the counter argument.

thats basically the situation the wizards and pistons are in now. KCP and Porter are role players. max contracts for thosse guys are HORRIBLE contracts. but both the wiz and pistons are already over the cap... so why not match anyhow?

No one has offered KCP anything so I doubt he gets 15million. We'll see but he'll be in for a disappointment if no teams offer him what he's expecting. Andre Roberson will be lucky to get 12million, dude chocked hard in the playoffs couldn't even make freethrows lol.

[ChokeFasncists]

Hello folks, long time lurker that decided to join. I don't believe Nets are actually in talks for JJ Reddick but rather he is using the Nets for leverage. I think instead Sean is looking at the Raptors to dump Carol and assets right now to us since the east is historically weak right now. If not I think he going for JaMychal Green or Muscula, both relatively young PFs if the Nets not totally sold on RHJ.

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Green would be nice if not too expensive. Can Muscala defend?

Carroll would be good if they give us good stuff. Health is the main concern with him.

[Crunky]

Sean Marks will have to make some tough decisions a year from now. Do you Cap out the worst roster in the NBA or do you let guys like Lin and Rhj walk and tank. I prefer tanking because I don't even see us at the level of Cha, Mia, Det, 76ers and Orl they all have better roster than we do.

i like option C:

-dont sign porter.
-add picks/young players via taking on salary dumps
-trade RHJ if you
-Continue forward with the core o Lin/Dlo/Levert/RHJ/Allen

dont tank. tanking never works and would completely destroy the culture we built. probably leads to marks and or kenny being let go or going elsewhere in a few years.

Lin is expendable with D'lo and Levert here, his age doesn't match the teams window. I doubt he get's a big offer on the open market because almost every team has a point guard or is developing one.

[Curns13]

I don't get the people who wanna bring in JaMychal Green at $13M. We already have a power forward who is better on this roster and he is 5 years younger and will cost $22M less over the next 2 years. Other than pure shooting, RHJ is equal to or better than Green in pretty much every statistical category.

Look at their PER 36 numbers for the whole of last season:
RHJ - 13.8ppg, 9.2rpg, 3.1apg, 1.7spg, 0.9bpg, PER 13.7
Green - 11.8ppg, 9.3rpg, 1.4apg, 0.8spg, 0.6bpg, PER 13.5

When you look at RHJ's PER 36 numbers post All Star game where he became the full time starting PF (yes small sample size) compared to Green's season long starter numbers things get even more interesting.

RHJ - 15.3ppg, 10.7rpg, 2.7apg, 1.8spg, 1.0bpg, PER 16.25
Green - 11.8ppg, 9.3rpg, 1.4apg, 0.8spg, 0.6bpg, PER 13.50

When they played on March 6:
RHJ - 12 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals, 1 block in 23 minutes
Green - 9 points, 9 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks in 26 minutes

I just don't get it. The only thing I can think of is people are still stuck in the "RHJ is too small to be a PF" which is absolutely bogus. He has identical measurements to Draymond Green and with a couple of summers in the gym can put on the required muscle. He has never has an off season preparing to be a PF and yet when he was moved there mid season he significantly outperformed the guy some of you wanna bring in and pay 6 times the amount over the next 2 years.

RHJ is a worse shooter than Green, but he is better in every other way. He still manages to score at a better rate than Green, is at worse an equal rebounder (perhaps even slightly better) and is significantly better at getting assists, steals and blocks. He is 5 years younger, gets paid nothing and this will be his first off season preparing as a PF. I just don't get it.

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[Claud]

I don't get the people who wanna bring in JaMychal Green at $13M. We already have a power forward who is better on this roster and he is 5 years younger and will cost $22M less over the next 2 years. Other than pure shooting, RHJ is equal to or better than Green in pretty much every statistical category.

Look at their PER 36 numbers for the whole of last season:
RHJ - 13.8ppg, 9.2rpg, 3.1apg, 1.7spg, 0.9bpg, PER 13.7
Green - 11.8ppg, 9.3rpg, 1.4apg, 0.8spg, 0.6bpg, PER 13.5

When you look at RHJ's PER 36 numbers post All Star game where he became the full time starting PF (yes small sample size) compared to Green's season long starter numbers things get even more interesting.

RHJ - 15.3ppg, 10.7rpg, 2.7apg, 1.8spg, 1.0bpg, PER 16.25
Green - 11.8ppg, 9.3rpg, 1.4apg, 0.8spg, 0.6bpg, PER 13.50

When they played on March 6:
RHJ - 12 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 steals, 1 block in 23 minutes
Green - 9 points, 9 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks in 26 minutes

I just don't get it. The only thing I can think of is people are still stuck in the "RHJ is too small to be a PF" which is absolutely bogus. He has identical measurements to Draymond Green and with a couple of summers in the gym can put on the required muscle. He has never has an off season preparing to be a PF and yet when he was moved there mid season he significantly outperformed the guy some of you wanna bring in and pay 6 times the amount over the next 2 years.

RHJ is a worse shooter than Green, but he is better in every other way. He still manages to score at a better rate than Green, is at worse an equal rebounder (perhaps even slightly better) and is significantly better at getting assists, steals and blocks. He is 5 years younger, gets paid nothing and this will be his first off season preparing as a PF. I just don't get it.

Agreed. RHJ is Shawn Marionesque in his game but just like the Matrix he will have to improve his J. Green would make sense if we move Booker to get younger but I don't think he's a better prospect than RHJ either.

[Mkdaman1818]

Off the board as well, thank goodness

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