Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[vincecarter4pres]

Supposedly there are rumors we're keeping our pick this year and the GSW pick? If that's the case I'd feel a lot better about this trade. The Billups/Rip reunion would be a little strange but I guess in the short term maybe they would be energized?

In terms of our cap what are their exact ramifications?

Am I correct that Billups can be bought out this Summer with a small cap hit next season and Rip would be heading into next year as a sizeable expiring deal? If we don't buy out Billups would he be an expiring as well?

Ok, Rip's contract, bad. It's not an expiring until 3 years including this one.

Billups buyout? You have to do it within 5 days of this season ending, severely limiting your options and with contracts like Melo's, Trout's, Failmar's, Morrow's, Rip's, Brook's looming extension, etc., it doesn't make much sense at all to waive him.

And if that was the case with the picks, I would be a lot happier.

Even with Rip and Mr. Brick Shot coming here, I doubt we make the playoffs this year, we would have to go something like 31 and 14 if the trade went down tonight just to get in as the 8th seed in all likelihood.

[jeff1624]

Supposedly there are rumors we're keeping our pick this year and the GSW pick? If that's the case I'd feel a lot better about this trade. The Billups/Rip reunion would be a little strange but I guess in the short term maybe they would be energized?

In terms of our cap what are their exact ramifications?

Am I correct that Billups can be bought out this Summer with a small cap hit next season and Rip would be heading into next year as a sizeable expiring deal? If we don't buy out Billups would he be an expiring as well?

Ok, Rip's contract, bad. It's not an expiring until 3 years including this one.

Billups buyout? You have to do it within 5 days of this season ending, severely limiting your options and with contracts like Melo's, Trout's, Failmar's, Morrow's, Rip's, Brook's looming extension, etc., it doesn't make much sense at all to waive him.

And if that was the case with the picks, I would be a lot happier.

Even with Rip and Mr. Brick Shot coming here, I doubt we make the playoffs this year, we would have to go something like 31 and 14 if the trade went down tonight just to get in as the 8th seed in all likelihood.

Not really.. Philly is the 8th seed as of today and they're only 5 games up.

[vincecarter4pres]

I will say that if we do have to make this trade why not trade for Jamison instead of Hamilton? He's better and has a shorter deal.

Lopez
Humphries?
Melo
Hamilton
Billups

Farmar
Vujacic
Outlaw
White
S Williams

Would be our team right?

Yeah, I would prefer Jamison as well.

I know this is homer of me, but I would love to have Vince back instead as well and his contract presents a ton of options in the offseason.

There are a few other players out there that seem like much better options that should cost nothing more then expirings too, I don't see the obsession with Rip anyway. This has got to be fueled by Leon Rose and Melo himself. Players are usually bad at evaluating other talent to put around themselves unless that other talent is obvious stars/superstars, but it seems as though it's the type of stuff I feared, they're letting Melo play GM and this is before he's on the team.

[vincecarter4pres]

Supposedly there are rumors we're keeping our pick this year and the GSW pick? If that's the case I'd feel a lot better about this trade. The Billups/Rip reunion would be a little strange but I guess in the short term maybe they would be energized?

In terms of our cap what are their exact ramifications?

Am I correct that Billups can be bought out this Summer with a small cap hit next season and Rip would be heading into next year as a sizeable expiring deal? If we don't buy out Billups would he be an expiring as well?

Ok, Rip's contract, bad. It's not an expiring until 3 years including this one.

Billups buyout? You have to do it within 5 days of this season ending, severely limiting your options and with contracts like Melo's, Trout's, Failmar's, Morrow's, Rip's, Brook's looming extension, etc., it doesn't make much sense at all to waive him.

And if that was the case with the picks, I would be a lot happier.

Even with Rip and Mr. Brick Shot coming here, I doubt we make the playoffs this year, we would have to go something like 31 and 14 if the trade went down tonight just to get in as the 8th seed in all likelihood.

Not really.. Philly is the 8th seed as of today and they're only 5 games up.

Honestly, I don't think that will last. Teams like Indy will make a small move, or even a big one, the Bucks will get back on track, etc.

I stand by my prediction/statement before the season, it will take 40 to 42 wins to get the 8th seed in the East.

And even if we made it as 8th, that's the 15th overall pick, it's still solid compared to the other junk picks we are rumored to be sending besides the GSW pick.

[624]

It doesn't help that Billy King is the Travis Outlaw of GMs

[Netaman]

Supposedly there are rumors we're keeping our pick this year and the GSW pick? If that's the case I'd feel a lot better about this trade. The Billups/Rip reunion would be a little strange but I guess in the short term maybe they would be energized?

In terms of our cap what are their exact ramifications?

Am I correct that Billups can be bought out this Summer with a small cap hit next season and Rip would be heading into next year as a sizeable expiring deal? If we don't buy out Billups would he be an expiring as well?

Ok, Rip's contract, bad. It's not an expiring until 3 years including this one.

Billups buyout? You have to do it within 5 days of this season ending, severely limiting your options and with contracts like Melo's, Trout's, Failmar's, Morrow's, Rip's, Brook's looming extension, etc., it doesn't make much sense at all to waive him.

And if that was the case with the picks, I would be a lot happier.

Even with Rip and Mr. Brick Shot coming here, I doubt we make the playoffs this year, we would have to go something like 31 and 14 if the trade went down tonight just to get in as the 8th seed in all likelihood.

Got it.

So basically the day this season ends our situation would be this:

Billups 13.1 mil expiring or prohibitive buyout
Hamiltoon 2 years/25 mil left

Hamilton definitely sucks to have in that scenario.

Weirdly out of this whole thing the most underrated loss is going to be Morrow. Doubt he's ever a starter on a winning team, but it was nice to have a guy who hit just about every open 3 he took.

[SteveNets15]

This team will definitly make the playoffs if the trade goes down.I hope we can keep Morrow he'll make teams pay for leaving him open while they double Melo.

[vincecarter4pres]

Supposedly there are rumors we're keeping our pick this year and the GSW pick? If that's the case I'd feel a lot better about this trade. The Billups/Rip reunion would be a little strange but I guess in the short term maybe they would be energized?

In terms of our cap what are their exact ramifications?

Am I correct that Billups can be bought out this Summer with a small cap hit next season and Rip would be heading into next year as a sizeable expiring deal? If we don't buy out Billups would he be an expiring as well?

Ok, Rip's contract, bad. It's not an expiring until 3 years including this one.

Billups buyout? You have to do it within 5 days of this season ending, severely limiting your options and with contracts like Melo's, Trout's, Failmar's, Morrow's, Rip's, Brook's looming extension, etc., it doesn't make much sense at all to waive him.

And if that was the case with the picks, I would be a lot happier.

Even with Rip and Mr. Brick Shot coming here, I doubt we make the playoffs this year, we would have to go something like 31 and 14 if the trade went down tonight just to get in as the 8th seed in all likelihood.

Got it.

So basically the day this season ends our situation would be this:

Billups 13.1 mil expiring or prohibitive buyout
Hamiltoon 2 years/25 mil left

Hamilton definitely sucks to have in that scenario.

Weirdly out of this whole thing the most underrated loss is going to be Morrow. Doubt he's ever a starter on a winning team, but it was nice to have a guy who hit just about every open 3 he took.

Yeah, that about sums it up.

That's why I don't get the fascination with Rip unless the $35 million man is outgoing.

Figuring all we have to go off are reports, I have to wonder if King said Outlaw had to be outgoing or he wanted Detroit's pick(protected) and Petro had to go out?

I would hope he stays hard on this type of stance.

There are better players on better contracts that are likely available for expirings with little to no added incentive.

And is Morrow is rumored to be going out for sure now?

That kind of sucks, although you can find good shooters on the cheap nearly every year and in every draft. Truth be told, I really do like Morrow, but he can't do much of anything besides hit the three and the occasional pull up and he's a borderline defensive liability.

[vincecarter4pres]

This team will definitly make the playoffs if the trade goes down.

I just don't see it.

Even if that roster turns out to be very good next year, I don't know that they instantly gel and catch fire this season.

I mean, if I am correct and say it takes 40 wins to get in and then say this trade goes down tonight, if all these guys are here and have passed their physicals by Wednesday's game, they would have to go 30 and 15 the rest of the way. That's on pace for about a 57 win season next year and I don't think that's how good this team will be as is after these deals, I think they would be about a 47 win team...

[Dr Positivity]

I have the 8th seed at about 37 wins. The thing is both 7th and 8th are on pace for like 32-33 right now. Indy/Philly/Milwaukee need to play at a 45 W pace from this point to make 40 Ws. So even if we assume at least someone like the Bucks get it going, there'll still be an open spot unless two teams do it and I'm not seeing it. The only teams who could I presume are Indy, Philly, Milwaukee, and Charlotte - the Torontos and Detroits are just too bad. I'm not seeing two of those 4 mediocore teams playing at a 45 W pace after the 32 W start they've had - one at best. With a 37 W benchmark NJ would have to go 27-18 which is doable

[Netaman]

Sounds like this is the rumored deal - with 2 future first round picks going to Denver

(supposedly not the GSW pick or our pick this year).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2avjaz5

Lineup after trade:

Billups - Farmar - Carter
Rip - Vujacic
Melo - James
Hump - Outlaw
Brook - Williams

[vincecarter4pres]

Sounds like this is the rumored deal - with 2 future first round picks going to Denver

(supposedly not the GSW pick or our pick this year).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2avjaz5

Lineup after trade:

Billups - Farmar - Carter
Rip - Vujacic
Melo - James
Hump - Outlaw
Brook - Williams

I like the fact we keep our pick and the GSW pick, it's starting to sound more reasonable on the actual Melo part of the deal, but I'm still baffled by the Rip aspect.

I mean I'm not really baffled, I understand the reasoning behind it from everyone but us. Rip's agent wants him involved, he talks Melo into playing with him and Detroit saves an asston of old washed up salary.

I just don't get it from our angle.

Wouldn't a team like Phoenix be interested in sending VC back here for Murphy?

I'm sure Rip will play much better then his current level, but probably only for the rest of this season.

The dude is just old and on the decline, there's nothing else to say. His contract is terrible, if only because of the length.

We'll see, but I'm extremely skeptical.

[8 Mile Ilic]

Varejao possibly out for the season, if you're reading this Dan Gilbert Johan Petro is EXACTLY the type of gritty veteran shot-blocking presence who's not afraid to mix it up from the perimeter that the Cavaliers need.

*Similarly Troy Murphy loves the Cleveland air.

[Netaman]

Sounds like this is the rumored deal - with 2 future first round picks going to Denver

(supposedly not the GSW pick or our pick this year).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2avjaz5

Lineup after trade:

Billups - Farmar - Carter
Rip - Vujacic
Melo - James
Hump - Outlaw
Brook - Williams

I like the fact we keep our pick and the GSW pick, it's starting to sound more reasonable on the actual Melo part of the deal, but I'm still baffled by the Rip aspect.

I mean I'm not really baffled, I understand the reasoning behind it from everyone but us. Rip's agent wants him involved, he talks Melo into playing with him and Detroit saves an asston of old washed up salary.

I just don't get it from our angle.

Wouldn't a team like Phoenix be interested in sending VC back here for Murphy?

I'm sure Rip will play much better then his current level, but probably only for the rest of this season.

The dude is just old and on the decline, there's nothing else to say. His contract is terrible, if only because of the length.

We'll see, but I'm extremely skeptical.

100% agreement. If we're basically trading Murphy to give someone else a free pass on a contract why the F is it Rip Hamilton? Maybe Detroit is the only team out there willing to take Petro but I have to believe if you like up the $$ there are plenty of other alternatives out there where other teams would save money and we would get a shorter contract.

[Netaman]

Question asked and answered -

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
One front office executive says Melo is "on board" with signing w/ NJ if Nets get Detroit part done. "He wants to play with Rip" source says

[8 Mile Ilic]

Maybe Rip Hamilton is a way of appeasing Billups who reportedly doesn't want to be here?

[SteveNets15]

Sounds like this is the rumored deal - with 2 future first round picks going to Denver

(supposedly not the GSW pick or our pick this year).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2avjaz5

Lineup after trade:

Billups - Farmar - Carter
Rip - Vujacic
Melo - James
Hump - Outlaw
Brook - Williams

^^ If thats our roster then I'm officially saying we're make the playoffs.I would love to upset Miami in the first round lol MELO!!! HELLO!!! LADIES HOW YOU DOING!!

[Kingsforlife]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
League exec just said Den-Det-NJ deal is "at the 10-yard line".
5 minutes ago

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
In the red zone
1 minute ago

[vincecarter4pres]

Varejao possibly out for the season, if you're reading this Dan Gilbert Johan Petro is EXACTLY the type of gritty veteran shot-blocking presence who's not afraid to mix it up from the perimeter that the Cavaliers need.

*Similarly Troy Murphy loves the Cleveland air.

Win.

[vincecarter4pres]

Question asked and answered -

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
One front office executive says Melo is "on board" with signing w/ NJ if Nets get Detroit part done. "He wants to play with Rip" source says

Ok then, lol.

Like I said, star player... bad talent evaluators and they don't think about the future or cap repercussions.

Imagine if someone sat down Melo and said, "If we trade for Rip, chances are we possibly take ourselves out of the running for Chris Paul and Deron Williams ."?

He would probably say, "I've changed my mind, I want to play with Vince Carter's non-guaranteed contract... Ahem, excuse me... I meant I want to play with Vinsanity..."